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Size Matters
Ricci.Wright
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I didn't realize the difference in size between the cop, Derek Chauvin, 5'9" 140 lbs. and George Floyd 6'4" 223 lbs. Size is not the most important factor in a physical encounter but it is a factor and if both men are trained, the bigger man has an advantage. I wonder if this had any influence on Chauvin not getting off of Floyd. It seems he should have taken better care of the man. Once you place an individual under arrest their welfare is your concern. I don't know what happened leading up to the time on the ground. We may never learn the truth.
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I had some concern with size also. Still, I think it was a bad cop put a bad guy down and turned him into a Martyr. I think the ME from Minnesota drove the final nail in Chauvin's coffin this morning. Been on enough juries to know, when it comes to the final moments it is all about "Reasonable Doubt" . It is what it is. Just my 2 cents.------------------------Ray
Regardless, if Chauvin doesn't get life in prison, the cities will burn.
I've delt physically with one person who was high on Meth or Fentanal. He was a 5'8'' drugged out white guy and he was completely out of control. I was at my business and heard him coming so I locked all the doors. He stood outside punching a solid brick wall as hard as he could. It sounded like someone with a sludge hammer pounding away. When he went for our employees parked motorcycle my partner and I decided to stop him. We went outside and pushed him away from the bike. He had incredible strength. at one point in the tussle he decided to take his t-shirt off, he literally just grabbed the collar and ripped it off his body and let it fall to the ground like it was nothing. That takes strength. Now we could see that he had a clip knife in his pocket. We had called the cops but it took a long time for them to show. I thought about it later and the reason they were so slow. My theory is this. If they send one cop for a drug addled guy who doesn't feel pain and has super strength about all he can do is shoot him. They sent five cars and when he heard the sirens he ran away. They did catch him later on. If he had pulled that knife out he would have Ginsued us up and not even remembered it the next day.
Unless you have had to physically deal with someone high on drugs, you will never understand how many people and how difficult it is to control that person.
For some Keyboard Commando to tell others how it should be done, how they would have done it, or any otherwise BS, All I have to say is "Nuts".
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
I would not think for a moment that Chauvin intentionally kneed him to death. Manslaughter 1 and tell the business folks to call the insurance companies. But... remember BLM.. Burning , Looting Matters.
Arm all the business owners, tell them to ask the idiots, "Who wants to be first?"
The country will burn no matter what the outcome, bet on it. Some summer shopping needed. And Joey from Scranton will say like Kammy did, it was just a few buildings.
I agree this country is going to burn.
As I have said before, don't mess with these people put them in a car or van and leave the area. Deal with them at the station where there are no cameras.
I think the cops did wrong in this instance, you don't kneel on a guys neck. He was in cuffs stuff him in the car and move out.
I i worked as a psychiatric tech in a mental hospital for 30 plus years . We had a female patient once who was all of 100 pounds soaking wet . Her strength was off the charts when she was off her medicine . I have seen it take 5 men , all who were 200 lbs plus to handle her . Druggies and addicts are dangerous regardless of size
Well, when the "little" guy is on top, with a gun and a badge, looking for a reason to shoot you, "big" doesn't mean a thing.
There is no defending or excusing that cop, that day no matter which side you support. It's just not ever ok to kill a man that is already in custody, under control and BEGGING for his life.
It's too bad that these rare, by the numbers events with bad cops get so much press but you don't hear much about all the thousands of good things Law Enforcement does and the danger they face on a daily basis.
Those police officers just don't get paid enough for all they have to put up with.
George Floyd's death was caused by his passing a fake $20.00 bill, a felony. Comply with the officers instructions and you will not die. Do not commit crimes and you will not have interactions with the police.
The thing that bugs me the most was the smirk on Chauvin's face as people begged for him to let Floyd get up. My thoughts is Chauvin was not going to let the crowd alter his actions. An action that unfortunately for us all helped Floyd assume room temperature.
Small Man Complex????
We had a patient in the ER one night who was high on some kind of dope. A little black guy, about 25 years old, he went about 5-9 and 140. They put out an alert on the PA that security help was needed in Trauma Room 1.
I was about 80 pounds bigger than this guy and I was in very good shape, on a level playing field I could have tied this guy into a square knot all by myself. This guy was laying on the bed and fighting with two security guards. The nurses and the doc had already backed way off. Another big paramedic went in there with me and we could simply not control this guy. His strength was just unbelievable, it was like fighting a 6 foot 4 weightlifter guy.
At the ER we have wrist restraints, they are big leather handcuffs, and we wound up strapping one wrist to the side of the bed, then we strapped down the other wrist. And then we managed to strap down his ankles. That was the best that 4 big men could do. Honestly I thought the guy might break the wrist restraint. I don't know what dope he was on but he was a midget Superman.
Almost sounds like demonic possession to me. 😲