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Minnesota Burning

Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,254 ✭✭✭✭
edited April 2021 in Politics

Another night of riots and looting over the death of a bl*ck man. He was shot by police after he was pulled over. He had warrants and they were going to arrest him when he took off in his car. The police shot at him and killed him in the car(are cops supposed to shoot at a car?).

RLTW

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    Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,254 ✭✭✭✭

    I read the same thing. I found that a really stupid law but for a blue state, appropriate.


    But to shoot at a moving car? Is that OK in law enforcement. I figure the guy is doing a dash on you after a traffic stop. You probably have his drivers license or at least his plates. Follow him and set up a road block, but shoot the guy, I don't know. Maybe if he tried to run you over or had a warrant for dangerous behavior but not for doing a dash.

    RLTW

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    AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭

    In my working days, no. You would have to articulate that the person was a danger to the public.

    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
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    chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 13,800 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    How long do you think it will be before DEMOCRATs and dirty corrupt media politicizes the shooting and places the blame on Trump?


    Lastly, best wait for the facts. NEVER TRUST THE MEDIA. Their disdain for LE is a well established fact.

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    bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,664 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    He was NOT shot in the moving car. He was shot while getting back into the vehicle when the Officer tried to arrest him on an outstanding FELONY armed Robbery charge. He got shot as he entered the vehicle, did not die instantly and drove away where he crashed.

    The Officer had no idea why he was getting back in, possibly to get a gun.

    If the dead guy had complied, got arrested, got cuffed and jailed all would be fine. He would be eating three squares a day on our dime and planning his next armed robbery with fellow scumbags.

    UPDATE: He was shot by a female Police Officer that thought her Glock was a Tazer, WHOOPS! It also clearly shows he was trying to escape and not in a moving vehicle when the WHOOPS happened.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-police-release-video-of-minneapolis-shooting-claim-officer-thought-she-was-firing-taser

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    Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,489 ✭✭✭✭

    Exactly Bruce.

    I understand that the officer was under a great deal of stress.

    I also understand that the dead felon caused the stress that resulted in the end of his life.

    Not sure how you mistake a Glock for a Tazer, but this accident could have been easily avoided had the felon just accepted the lot in life that he created for himself.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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    serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    It's all about equality now.I can remember some female police officer going to her apartment after a hard day and mistakenly shot a man in his own apartment instead after he opened the door. I for one wish I was back in simpler times where women worked in traditional roles and worn dresses.

    serf

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    Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 24,580 ✭✭✭✭

    I have always thought maybe gun owners need to take that page out of the play book

    every time a new ( or even old ) law is made against the constitution and our rights

    all gun owners need to " have a peaceful protest " in the same fashion

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    SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,182 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    I agree the man that was shot is at fault for not following lawful orders. But the officer is at fault for the officer's mistake.

    The mistaking of their handgun for a tazer has happened a few times. You may remember the officer knelling on a guy's back pulling his weapon and shooting the man in the back. The officer mistakenly pulled his handgun instead of his tazer. One of the things that came out of it is that many departments changed to a policy that requires the tazer be carried on the opposite side as the pistol. Reflexive training kicks in under stress, as is has to. Making the use of each a different reflexive motion was necessary.

    Yes the officer was under stress and yes the man that was shot contributed to the cause of that stress. Officers are the professionals and accept as part of the job they will be acting under stress. We the people are not professionally trained for these situations, the police are. Lack of professionalism under stress is not acceptable in the line of work they chose. Things happen fast and must be processed in fractions of seconds, perfection is not expected or possible, but professionalism is. Pulling her pistol instead of her tazer is a lack of training and professionalism.

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    serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭

    Just make the automakers install a kill switch so when they jump back in the auto it won't start or drive when the cops have you pulled you over. I saw where a New Mexico Officer was murdered in cold blood by a criminal after a traffic stop.if they had a system where once you are pulled over the vehicle is immobilized until released. It would save a lot of life's

    It's two way street,one day it's a suspect who did not have a brain and ran, the next day it's a LEO trying to be courtesy and then being gun down. I would not want the job to be a LEO,too dangerous especially these days of progressive governments taking the reins with a better Idea.

    Here in Houston Texas crime is skyrocketing because of progressive democratic judges letting out criminals on personal bonds multiple times .Now in the state legislator here they want to reduce sentence times before you get to go to parole boards! The country is going to the dogs and the democrats are causing it!

    serf

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    Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,489 ✭✭✭✭

    Not a fan of giving Federal, State, and Local authorities the ability to control whether I drive my vehicle or not.

    A lot more problems caused than solved, in my opinion.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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    serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2021

    It's a hard call but after seeing a Good person murdered in cold blood and with recording devices on the scene of a stop,then I think it's justifiable to protect the LEO's to have that right until the citizen complies and has been cleared to go. If the criminal knew he could not just drive away to escape then he might have saved the LEO's life.

    I think in time it will happen. especially if we keep our rights to bear arms.

    serf

    https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/11/new-mexico-police-officer-shot-killed-dashcam-video-drug-dealer-ar-15/

    Police are still investigating the fatal incident as Cueva had an extensive violent criminal record. No doubt, authorities want to know how someone with his history was able to get his hands on an assault weapon.

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