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My Conundrum!

Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

I’m thinking I really need a Ruger Alaskan .44mag with the 2-1/2 inch barrel for hiking in bear country. It turns out there’s one in the immediate family that I’m free to borrow and see how I like it! Problem is... I have to use my own ammo to try it out.

With the limited availability of 44mag here, exactly how picky do I want to be? Realistically I’d shoot a couple boxes to get a feel for it. But... A COUPLE BOXES!!??? That’s like asking to give up my eldest son.

So, do I buy one and hope I love it? Do arranged marriages work?

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  • pingjockeypingjockey Member Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭✭

    Take the time to try it out. I owned one for a while and while it was comfortable to shoot, I ultimately settled on a 4" redhawk

    with express sights. to me the balance feels better and the slightly longer sight plane seemed to help as well. You will really

    appreciate the grip on the super when you stoke it with a good 300g+ hard cast.

    Enjoy whatever feels best and please avoid becoming bear scat for all of our sakes!

    I truly enjoy what you write.

  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,233 ***** Forums Admin

    Just buy it, she'll be sweet! I want a 4" S&W Mountain Gun, myself.

  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    I had lunch with my son-in-law and he recommended a Glock 20. He said the 10mm rounds pack a wallop and I'd have 15 of them to work with instead of 6. So I looked up a chart and I see muzzle energies as follows:

    .44mag heavy load 1333 ft.lbf

    .357mag 757 ft.lbf

    10mm 728 ft.lbf

    Of course my best answer is the 12ga. But I want something I'll habitually carry, not have to remind myself to bring because it's a big heavy fricken boat anchor hanging around my neck.

    Looks like the .44mag is still my friend.

  • love2shootlove2shoot Member Posts: 577 ✭✭✭

    44 mags are fun!

  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,529 ✭✭✭✭

    a .44 mag out of a short barrel might do 800 ft pds.

  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,276 ✭✭✭✭
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭

    Start reloading. Its about the only way to shoot in any quainity today and even then components are hard to come by sometimes.

    I think if I lived where you do I would go with the G20.

    RLTW

  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,569 ✭✭✭✭

    I would also shoot that G20 with the heavy stuff the 2 that I had didn't like it first one would key hole anything over 200 grains and the second one didn't like to feed the underwood or buffalo bore ammo which is the ammo I would be picking for bear.

  • Ruger4meRuger4me Member, Moderator Posts: 3,852 ******

    I like my Alaskan very much, but it is not the most accurate (probably more me than the gun). I do much better at targets with my longer barrel SBH's but the Alaskan's Hogue grip is much nicer to hold... I would definitely suggest you try it out some first, and if you are gonna be shooting at a bear, how close you gonna be? A longer barrel may be your friend unless you plan on being real close to that bear...my 2 cents as a current owner of one... ymmv...

  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2021

    If you need to stop a bear power helps. Your sidearm is for your last stand if you are using it on a bear the situation is serious with significant injury or death being the price of failure . Sidearms simply do not have the power of a long gun but may be all we have in a situation. Given that why would you purposely buy a sidearm with less power? Of course there is only so much power one can handle in a sidearm so there are limits in both accuracy and physical ability.

  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking longer barrel means an extra second to clear the holster. When you hear leaves rustle and branches break, start drawing it. Don't even hesitate.

    I was looking last night... hello Super Alaskan Casull 454! My new best friend? And that's about the only ammo they have down at Cabelas over the last year.

  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭

    Why not S&W 500. 500 grains of a hard cast sledge hammer would stop anything on this planet, but then you have to be able to hit the target.

  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭

    I'd also recommend the Redhawk 4"

    "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******

    Go with something in 10 mm instead. A lot of Alaskan guides have switched from 44 mag to that.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    Well well well... what's this? They make a S&W500 with a 2-3/4" barrel? Yes please!



  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    Good advice, my son-in-law mentioned getting a bit of crud in the wrong spot on my 1911 or one of my revolvers, rendering it unusable ... possibly when I need it most. He says the Big Plastic doesn't suffer from the same sensitivity?

    15 rounds instead of 6 does sound appealing.

  • Texas1911DETexas1911DE Member Posts: 690 ✭✭✭✭

    ..." A longer barrel may be your friend unless you plan on being real close to that bear..."

    ...My thought exactly...

  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,569 ✭✭✭✭

    If I was going to get a X frame Smith it would be the 460 it will also shoot 454 casull and 45 colt

  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2021

    Can't tell if the had cannon is ported. My son has one with a 8 inch barrel ported.

    Death ray ain't the word. He shoots a 300 grain JHP Hornady.

    I imagine if you could smell Yogi's picnick breath you would never notice the recoil.

    Should not to have to worry about a second or third shot unless the beasties travel in pairs.

  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    There now, see THAT is the kind of information I’m looking for. Perfect. Thanks!

  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    @Butchdog2 that’s the whole idea behind the snub nose rascal. I am rarely surprised by a bear but once in awhile one will pop up and I had no idea he was there. Last time it happened he was 20’ away. If he’s far enough away then my usual .44mag is fine. Unsnap it as I back away. But if I blundered into his comfort zone, I need something I can pull quickly and generally point in his direction hoping he doesn’t charge. That close, my field of fire is 10 to 15 degrees wide and I’ll hit something vital without aiming. So the snub nose is more than adequate.

    Porting on a barrel this short? I saw one last night, 2-3/4 inch barrel with 8 ports extending back to the frame. I mean, what’s the point? Why not shoot an unported .357mag instead?

  • RobOzRobOz Member Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭

    Your fellow Alaskan Phil Shoemaker killed one with a 9mm 147 grain hardcast.

  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    Bears are SO unpredictable, they’re like big cats. Curious and cautious most of the time, other times they just want to stalk and hunt.

    Hah, I’m watching a bear right now, big blackie just poked his head out right across the river on the hillside just moving along curiously poking around.

  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2021

    I have a Ruger in 454. A lot more power than a 44 mag but you can step it down to hot 45 colt loads or 45 colt +P if needed and still be packing 44 mag power. Mine has a 7 1/2" barrel and is accurate enough to hunt with, actually it's very accurate and I've killed several deer with it. I bought it when I thought I was going to be spending some years in Alaska. As life turned I didn't get to do that. Mine is heavy enough and I am not interested in carrying a larger revolver such as a 460 or 500. Another cartridge to consider if the 454 recoil is an issue is the 480 Ruger, more power than the 44 mag but less recoil than the 454.

  • truthfultruthful Member Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭✭

    A bit more barrel length is the best way to increase the on-target power level. Plus it will be more comfortable to shoot, leading to increased practice. Don't kid yourself that any revolver cartridge is a guaranteed stopper. Multiple hits on target will likely be needed.

  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭

    Griz killed a woman in MT. It was a 400# Griz and it pulled her out of a tent, killed her and was run off by others who used bear spray on it. The Bear was not found later in a search of the area.

    RLTW

  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    "Multiple hits on target" is what I'm thinking about. My .44mag delivers almost 2x the muzzle energy of the .357mag at 10, 20, 30 yards and I know I could get multiple hits with the .357 and probably get multiples with the .44 double action. Most of the reviews I've seen for the .454 and .460 say the recoil is so ferocious the recovery time is orders of magnitude longer than even a .44mag and that means one shot on target, if I'm lucky.

    So 3 hits out of a .357mag at 500-ish ft.lbf energy or two out of a .44mag at 900=ish or maybe one hit out of a .454 at 1900 ft-lbf is the decision.

    Sounds like the .44mag is my keeper.

  • Grunt2Grunt2 Member Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭✭
    Retired LEO
    Combat Vet VN
    D.A.V Life Member
  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to all the wiser heads here chiming in with opinions!

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******

    Now do that comparison with 10 rounds of 10mm +P vs 44 mag.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2021

    Hard to say. I had 3 brown bears hanging around the house a couple years ago and I could NOT get them to leave. I threw rocks at them, threw 2x4s, hollered, banged pans. They were about 10-12 feet from the door. Finally I put three rounds into the gravel right at their feet, BOOM BOOM BOOM and they didn't flinch or even look at me.

    Black bears are skittish like big cats. You can surprise them and chase them off. Brown bears know they're the boss and they're utterly fearless. And hard to read. Quick... what's this one thinking?



  • pingjockeypingjockey Member Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭✭

    I wonder if he tastes like chicken!

  • pingjockeypingjockey Member Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭✭

    Ditto that, I've never messed with anything with that large a set of teeth or claws. I'm sure you will make an educated decision

    having " been there done that"!

  • ROY222ROY222 Member Posts: 550 ✭✭✭

    Start watching this season of "ALONE". Lots of bears this season. They scare them instead of shooting them.

  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,276 ✭✭✭✭

    "what's this one thinking?"

    Get off my lawn!

  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,529 ✭✭✭✭
  • Nanuq907Nanuq907 Member Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2021

    Waste of ammo. You’ll just tear off a length of scalp and REALLY pizz him off.

    If he wants to chew on you, only way to get away is destroy the front shoulders and that will slow him down a little. Ideally don’t let him get this close.

  • Grunt2Grunt2 Member Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭✭

    Nope...but then again you may taste like one to him!!!

    Retired LEO
    Combat Vet VN
    D.A.V Life Member
  • pulsarncpulsarnc Member Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭✭

    1380 from buffalo bore 180 grain in a colt delta elite . Sounds good to me

    cry Havoc and let slip  the dogs of war..... 
  • pulsarncpulsarnc Member Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭✭


    cry Havoc and let slip  the dogs of war..... 
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