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Suppressors
buddyb
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I am considering jumping through legal hoops and buying a suppressor.It will be for a 300 Blackout bolt gun.I know the dealer will guide me through the process but I really dont know what kind of suppressor I need.I know that my rifle has a 5/8x24 threaded barrel but what length suppressor?Will the Blackout suppressor work on a sub sonic 308? What should be a fair price? Any experienced info will help. Thanks
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300 Blackout is easy to suppress- it was designed to be suppressed. 5/8X24 is the normal threading for all .30cal cans in the USA, so you're fine. A .30 can will work on all .30cals, including Blackout, 7.62 NATO, and 7.62X39 Russian (AK-47), although a non standard thread is used on AKs. I happen to be a big fan of Yankee Hill suppressors, but there are plenty of other brands out there.
At the top you can see a .30cal can, then a 5.56 can, then a short 5.56 can. A .30cal can needs the extra length and volume to be effective, while a shortened 5.56 can only needs enough size to take the pain away from shooting 5.56 from a short barrel, such as with my Beretta ARX:
Without a suppressor, that rifle is BRUTAL to fire!
If you're plans don't include use on a barrel under 16", any 30 caliber suppressor will work. As Mark said, 300AAC is not hard to suppress due to the low volume of gas (part of the design).
I'm also a fan of the YHM suppressors which are available in standard and "K" (short) length. The standard is a big piece when added to a normal barrel length but it is effective. I have one that is used on my 6.5 Creedmoor and 308 which does an excellent job but makes a 22" barrel 30" long. For this reason, I have a .30 "K" in NFA jail at the moment.
The other brand I can recommend is Rugged. While they tend to be heavier and possibly not as quiet as YHM, they are literally indestructible (belt fed full auto) and I really like their mounting interface. I run a Rugged Razor on both 300AAC (super sonic) and 6.8SPC AR pistols which it handles well. At the moment the Razor is hung on a .308 20" bolt action and it's marginally ear safe.
The primary 300AAC can we use is Silencer Co Harvestor 300 but it is not rated for super-sonic 300AAC from a 10.5" barrel due to the internal construction. It is fairly large but is certainly quiet. Keep in mind that sub-sonic ammo is required for that 'giggle quiet' shooting but is not the best choice for hunting. An interesting feature of the sub-sonic ammo: in the right light & background conditions, you can see the bullet flying to the target. Grand daughter was shooting the 300 at a paper deer silhouette one day and I was calling the hits by just watching the bullet arc into the target.
A 'fair price' is whatever your cooperating dealer wishes to charge. We use a Silencer Shop dealer 75 miles away because they're easy to deal with. I know another dealer whose prices are lower but he's across the state line so that's irrelevant. There's another dealer 35 miles away but he's obnoxious, doesn't help with paperwork, and charges MSRP + 20%.
Uhhhmmm......can I just do it with an oil filter and some duct tape? Less than $20............ ROFLMFAO
If you can afford to do so, buy more than 1 can at the same time.
I bought 2 and should've bought 3.
I went with a Dead Air Nomad - L in 30 cal for my 308 and 223 rifles.
Also went with a Gemtech Lunar 9. Which will work for 9mm and subsonic 300 black. For the years long wait it took my form 4's be approved, I should've bought a 3rd can in 22LR.
Side note I shot a Racoon tearing up my bird feeders, this morning with my CZ Scorpion and Gemtech Suppressor. My partner didn't hear me in the house and none of my neighbors heard me.
Side note, I was thinking about grabbing a PSA 300 black AR15 upper the other day.
Then I went and looked at 300 Black Ammo prices online $0.67rd.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/300aac-blackout
Might as well hold off till ammo comes back down in price.
Does installing one on a pistol necessitate a main spring change?
Nearly all centerfire handgun suppressors have an internal spring which automatically compensates for the suppressor. .45acp left and 9mm right:
Even so, my Walther PPQ Navy came with a second recoil spring to be used when firing suppressed:
If your budget allows it then sure you may as well buy a variety of cans at the same time. Not all have that option so my plan was to buy a different caliber/model/type every 6 months or so. This worked out pretty well until the KungFlu seriously reduced my income so now it's been almost a year since the previous "come and pick it up" call.
I don't want to come off as an advertisement but we have a family LLC trust on file with Silencer Shop. The LLC has a bank account with debit card. Silencer Shop has all the trust information on file. Buying an NFA item is as simple as making sure there's sufficient money in the account and then placing the order. All the paperwork is done via email, the debit card pays for the item and stamp, and the wait begins.
If you're the sort of buyer who needs to have the item in hand before making a decision, this isn't for you. Go to a stocking dealer, handle the units(maybe mount them on your gun if the dealer allows this) and then choose. We bought our initial 2 cans sight unseen using only recommendations and availability criteria. I was a bit less than satisfied with the outcome but learned a lot from the experience.
By the way it's really easy to over analyze suppressors to the point that you never buy 1.
I did it myself. I'd look at them try to pick one out, look into the trust process, and then put if off. Took me 10 years to finally pull the trigger. I did my 2 as an individual.
Tip: Most gun shops that have a range and sell suppressors will let you shoot the suppressor on the range while you are waiting for your approval.
Out here in the sticks gun shop / ranges are few and far between. I'd have to go up to Springfield area to find an indoor range.
All good info. Thanks
Something I forgot to mention is that a .30 caliber suppressor can also be sued effectively with 5.56 rifles.
This is my Palmetto AR in .30 Blackout with a ,30 can Yankee Hill can (use blue add on parts to indicate 300 Blackout):
Here is the same suppressor on my SIG MCX in 5.56:
The longer length and larger diameter increase volume so that the 5.56 rifle with the .30 can is quieter than with a normal .22 suppressor, but of course you add unneeded length and weight to the rifle.
As I mentioned, the Yankee Hill .30 suppressor will also work 7.62 NATO and on AK's, although the AK requires a special mount due to left hand threading at the muzzle.
Although the .30 cans will work on 5.56 caliber rifles, there is a special interphase which prevents installing a smaller .22 caliber suppressor on a .30 caliber rifle. That's a mistake you'd only make once!
I am going to say I don't own any silences/cans but I will say I the unit I was in used them on most of their guns. We used then mostly to suppress the muzzle flash and to ID our weapons when shooting against our enemy's.
We had a very strong R and D that looked at many different systems and spent a lot of money on suppressors. This included rifles, pistols and Machine guns.
When it was all said and done The suppressors we used were either Knights Armament or Surefire suppressors. I woupd say the Surefire suppressors were the best. We used them on M-4'S AND m-249'S To good effect. When you use a can on a Machinegun it really showes what works.
If I was in the market for a can it would be a Surefire.
The 300 BLKout is an easy gun to suppress.
That is my experience with them and it is what it is.
Play toy, tool, or whatever, these devices are a unique addition to any firearm. The 'cool kid' factor aside, there are many advantages. Too bad they have been demonized, regulated beyond any logic, and their ownership made so difficult.