Scope, red dot, holographic ....? (too many choices)
hunterws
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I have a PC carbine 9mm I want to put a scope on. Originally bought a nice sigsaur romeo5, but the dot was all askew and found out that must be an astigmatism. Want to use open sights, and scope, so bought a simmons 3-9X32 and a 1" riser see-thru sight.
Put that all together, and found that the 1" riser is overkill and prevents the simmons scope from getting on target (bottoms out). About to buy a more modest .5" riser see-thru mount ....and now I'm back on the fence.
I read about holographic scopes / red and green dot options for people with astigmatism .... and at this point not sure what I want on my ruger. I'd prefer my original choice, a red dot type scope and open sights. Considering a Dagger Defense DDHB Red Dot Reflex Sight ... but will that need a see-thru mount in order to use open sights? I'm a bit confused ... haven't put a scope on a rifle in a few years and things have changed.
Any input is greatly appreciated.
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I have always thought mounting a scope high to see iron sights was a mistake. For a 9mm carbine I would choose a low power scope, nothing over 4x and mount it as low as possible to get a good repeatable cheek wield. Mount the Simmons low and it should work. Good luck.
maybe these will help , my 2 Ruger PC Carbines the black rifle has a old Aimpoint on it, just a plain reddot , the Camo rifle has a new as of today Holosun with Primary Arms ACSS CQB Reticle, here's a video of the Holosun
link to Primary Arms where you can order their sight
https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-paralow-hs503g-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle
as you can see the Aimpoint set as low as possible and there is NO way you can use the open sights , on the Camo rifle the mount is about 1 1/4" and open so the sights are right there to use if you want but you don't get much of a cheek weld
making hits out to 100 yards is no problem at all with either rifle , but the dot in the Aimpoint does cover almost all of the steel plate at that range where the ACSS Reticle covers less as shown here >>>, this next picture was taken with my phone held to the back of the sight and set on about 5 x
If you scope it you might think along the limes of a 1.25-4x scope. I have a Bushnell 4200 series 1.24-4x30mm with a 30mm tube, red illuminated center dot and a German #4 reticle mounted on a 375 H&H. A close quarters dangerous game set up, it would work on a carbine as well.
@redhawkk480 I was taking into account my eyesight and being accurate up to 100 yards confidently. My concern is accuracy overall and I think any red dot, or illuminated sight is for close to medium distances ... as you said above "does cover almost all of the steel plate" ... I'd like to be able to make a smiley face on the steel plate.
Really don't want to rely on batteries, @SCOUT5 . I do however love the idea of that scope in 30mm in dropzone only. Found this; https://www.bushnell.com/riflescopes/ar-optics/1-4x24-ar-optics-riflescope/BU-AR71424.html Now I want this.
This is the distance test that got me wanting more than a close quarters weapon;
Thanks for the replys ... gotta see how the bank account looks :)
Loose that riser and mount your existing scope as low as you can. You should be good to go. With a scope that high you have no cheek wield and therefore no repeatability. You need to be able to place your cheek in the same spot on the stock every time.
@Ricci.Wright ... work in progress :)
I want to be able to use iron sights, or scope.
Seems a 30mm mount is impossible to find as a see-thru mount, then they start talking co-witness etc etc etc shrug
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Something like this...? ... is it see-thru so you can see scope OR iron sights? (I'd think soooo)
A prismatic sight will not be affected by your astigmatism. I have a slight astigmatism but it's not a deal breaker for me. You can also try a 4moa dot red dot.
That particular firearm is not set up as any kind of 'long range' gun. It's built for 100 yards and closer. Like Ricci said, mounting a low power (1 or 1.5 to 4 or 6) scope as low as possible is about the best you can do. QD mounts on the scope base would allow you to detach the scope and use the irons if needed.
https://www.leupold.com/vx-3hd-1-5-5x20-cds-zl-illum-firedot-twilight-hunter
I considered those, but would like to be battery-free
The scope I mentioned has a bold #4 German reticle that is easy to acquire and use even if you do not have the red dot turned on. The same scope/type of scope sells for less if you get one without the illuminated dot. But if you want a mount that let's you use the iron sight you may want more magnification than 4x anyway. 4x is plenty for 100 yards though.
@NeoBlackdog ... I agree with you on the scope change, shopping now, but can't find reliable mounts that will let me use both scope and iron sights. You say get a quick dismount ... is that really the norm now?
A prismatic sight will still work with a dead or no battery.
Just fell out of love with that scope, the adjustments don't lock. grr
@SCOUT5 ...way out of my price range for a $700 gun.
"Really don't want to rely on batteries,"
Get a prism scope with etched reticle and you won't have to worry about batteries. I like the AR 332 but it's an expensive piece. Although it's hyped by the 'operators' (I'm not one of those), the 'co-witness' idea is sort of in left field IMHO. I'm not in a war zone w/o any re-supply so having a battery die in the middle of a fire fight is low on my 'worry list'.
If your a professional game hunter or Soldier get an EOTech Holographic Sight Scope with a good magnifier it could well be worth it but if you're just a deer hunter then stick with a variable power red dot scope. Or one with no lights at all.
serf
if you want to do too many things, around a bullet that isn’t intended to do those things, with a platform that wasn’t designed for that bullet to begin with, perhaps you should reconsider “why”.
What you want is a bad compromise, which is why you are having trouble finding it. I know Tasco and some other cheap optics makers have made scope rings like you describe over the years. You won’t find any high end/reputable optics maker doing so.
Your cheek weld to the rifle should be in the same place every time. It simply isn’t possible to have good alignment with a single position if your optic and irons are say inch or more different heights.
If you really want to have an optic and backup irons, get a QD scope mount. As long as you put it on in the same place it will hold zero. I have one such set-up and use a Larue Mount for the job, but mostly due to the cost of the scope I want to drop it on different rifles.
If you are dead set against batteries, you should just do a good set of iron sights for what you have described. A 2MOA red dot is covering 6 inches at 300 yards and a 9mm round isn’t much more than a novelty beyond 100 yards even out of a rifle.
Heck, Hunter, I don't know if there such a thing as normal anymore! I do know, and I don't mean for this to come across as mean or nasty but as helpful, you're trying to force a square peg in a round hole here. Warbird's advice on the Larue mounts is probably about as good as it gets. Keep in mind though that gun stuff in general falls under the heading of 'you gets what you pays for'. If you buy cheap QD rings you probably won't get a set that will return to zero. On the other hand, if you pop for a set of the Larue's you will cry once and smile every time you pop 'em on or off and still hit the target.
With the ultra low mounting of these rings you'll not be able to get a scope with much of a bell on the objective lens or you'll be bumpin' the barrel. Not a good thing!
A buddy of mine had a Hi Lux CMR like this one on an AR and it was a pretty decent scope for the money.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/908231195
I don't think I would ask you where to have lunch hunterws. By dinnertime we could still be driving around.
I think @Mobuck hit the nail on the head, will try a prism etched optic.
@Grasshopper that's why I posted, to knock around the idea with knowledgeable people, take it all in, do some research and decide from there. If you need some lunch, I use doordash often ... stop in 🧐
I'm realizing that in order to put a quality optic on it in the prism line, it's way outside my budget. It's disheartening when your price range searches come back with airsoft results.