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Why is Natural Immunity being ignored?

Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 22,938 ✭✭✭✭

Interesting that none of the vaccine mandates include a waiver for those previously infected with Magical Covid.

Two explanations that come to mind.

  1. Blatant greed. Pfizer and friends have paid off Fauci and the CDC to ignore the documented superiority of natural immunity because no one profits from it.
  2. More likely, and assuming that these morons actually care about people (a stretch, to be sure) they know that the false positives for the Magical Covid are so numerous that we have no real idea how many people have actually had the virus.

No. 2 seems more likely, though betting against greed is usually a mistake. We are all aware that the number of flu deaths in the 2020/2021 season were historically low. Does the flu trigger a false positive for the Magical Covid? If this is the case, then there are somewhere between 20,000 and 70,000 Covid deaths that were actually the normal flu deaths for the year.

Likewise, false positives for the Magical Covid could have inflated the number of Covid deaths for a myriad of other ailments, up to and including death by natural causes, or simple old age. Excess death counts are now weighted through some mechanism that includes and excludes those attributed the Magical Covid. There were more deaths in 2020 than are statistically probable without Covid, and it appears we are currently experiencing an excess that would not be probably absent the virus, there remains something odd about the reaction of those who would be our dictators.

It would be nice if those who relish the existence and expansion of their powers would simply treat us as adults and let us make the life or death decisions that are our birthright.

Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

Brad Steele
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 22,938 ✭✭✭✭

    It is also interesting that a study from Israel states that antibodies gained from natural immunity are 13 times stronger than those gained from the Pfizer vaccine, and a study from Nebraska states just the opposite.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • truthfultruthful Member Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭✭

    Statistics, data, science, and reason that does not conform to or support the agenda is always ignored.

  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 10,735 ******

    Not sure about the part about not any money in these tests. I read this morning a guy got a bill from a hospital for 54K for just a Covid test!

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 62,897 ✭✭✭✭

    Compared to vax, it's a drop in the bucket. But surely that bill isn't for the test only. I never even got a bill for a covid test at the drive thru window where I took one.

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    Some will fall in love with life
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  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 12,755 ✭✭✭✭

    Natural immunity is being ignored because its safe and effective.

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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 22,938 ✭✭✭✭

    Following the money almost seems too easy on this one. I think there is more in this case. The apparatchiks in the Federal Government are not releasing the full truth about this virus, the vaccines, therapeutics, masking, etc. They are deliberately hiding things, at least as evidenced by their contradictory statements and actions. We are being strung along perhaps for money, but my guess is there is a much bigger issue, that being they know the vaccine + masking + restrictions have not, are not, and will not bring this fully under control as referenced by some above. Rather than tell us the truth, they are flailing and throwing around restrictions, doubling down on the mistakes of last year it bizarre hope that the virus melts away.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 4,942 ✭✭✭✭

    I don't believe medical science has advanced enough to eradicate this virus. The inept clowns in charge think they must look like they are doing something to control the disease and grasp at any theory that might work. As the theory is proven lacking in any appreciable benefit they either double down or go on to the next theory. If they admit natural immunity is effective then the inept leaders influence will wane and they sure don't want that to happen. The vaccine helps keep people out of the hospital but does not eradicate the virus, similar to natural immunity. For those who haven't had Covid and don't want to take the chance, the vaccine is a good option. By now everyone should have made their choices about Covid and we should open the country and get back to normal. But if that happens the inept politicians will lose some of their influence over our daily lives and you know they don't want that to happen. Instead they want to make the public even more dependent on the government, enhancing the inept politicians power. Bob


    Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. Those that aren't smart enough to do either, become politicians.

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 62,897 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2021


    In case there were any lingering questions about whether naturally acquired immunity to covid-19 exists, this article links to 106 different research studies that show it's AT LEAST equivalent to that which is imparted by the vaccines and most likely superior:


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    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
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  • spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭

    i would wager the % of population having natural immunity is to small to be relevant....and maybe still able to easily pass it on to others

  • truthfultruthful Member Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭✭

    It is ignored because there is no way the government can control it. COVID has nothing to do with health. It is all about control, and it's accepted, so more control will be coming our way.

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 62,897 ✭✭✭✭
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 22,938 ✭✭✭✭

    There are over 38 million recovered cases in the US by official count. Probably many false positives, but probably millions that had it and were not aware and not tested.

    A minimum of 10% is obviously significant.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭

    There's is not money or control in it. Of the two control is more prevalent in the thinking.

  • spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭

    can you bottle natural immunity and feed it to everyone quickly ??? our county of around 4100 has had over 20 deaths and latest was a chap in his 50's , big strapping lad got covid and promptly died....a family in our town of around 1100 got it from ???? and dad, two daughters and a son in law from the same family promptly died from it leaving 70+ year old woman now raising a 4 year old and an 8 month old kid ... i propose the NO VACCINE people take their family thru a hospital full of covid, visit with the patients , tour the whole building and when they leave they then can get an official certificate exempting parents and kids from ANY shots.....bet me every one of the kids have ALL the shots required to attend school ?????.. covid is a virus and the only thing a virus does is self replicate and quickly evolve to keep going... i have got the two primary shots and the booster and i bet will need extra booster shot as the virus keeps on changing....i will take every shot that comes out because at my age and condition if i got coved i would shortly die

  • Ruger4meRuger4me Member, Moderator Posts: 1,921 ******

    spasmcreeksrun How many of the 20 had been vaxxed?

  • spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭

    can't answer that...knew these people but not all the details....doc i go to in a neighboring town of 6700 people and a large hospital wanted to admit me for an issue but would not because they were full to the brim with covid patients .....recent info says a new variant has shown up in South Africa with more spikes ...we have a number of white South Africans working around here in agriculture and with this and the political issues of their country has most of them not wanting to go back when their work visas expire...some are trying for citizenship

  • mac10mac10 Member Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭✭

    cant fix the flu what makes ya think they can fix this....they still cant fix the african swine virus killing the hogs now we have a south african variant comming but on a good note oil did fall in price

  • serfserf Member Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2021

    Yep the new variant festered in a HIV patient in South Africa and this is the virus greatest weapon to incubate in a sick comprised immune system to alter it's genome to become more deadly on new victims. This virus could have been designed this way to become a more efficient killing biological machine.

    Good excuse to have the marketplace drop 2- 3 percent today and drive down the cost of borrowing with all that new funny money they need to prop up the debt creating casino funny money with their central banks ledgers.

    serf

  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2021

    If you have had COVID the antibodies you have will be stronger than those developed by the vaccine. Recognizing this has nothing to do with disparaging the vaccine. If you already have antibodies you do not need to be vaccinated. If you can take the vaccine before being infected then it has value. Why the media, government and a lot of people choose to draw non relevant lines is beyond me. Making it political and falsely labeling people as "anti-vax" is not helping anything. Mandates are wrong, not recognizing natural immunity in mandates is agenda driven with ignorance on display.

    I was vaccinated then caught COVID, it happens. But now having had COVID I do not need further vaccination at this time. If it's an issue next year perhaps a vaccine will be in order. You haven't had COVID the vaccine boosters makes sense for you.

  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 12,673 ✭✭✭✭

    There have been so many false claims and intentional mis-information that I just lump everything together and call it all BS. At no time have 'they' proven vaccination PREVENTS catching the KungFloo nor is there PROOF that the vaccine imparts better immunity than what nature provides.

    Refusal to accept natural immunity throws even more suspicion on the whole mess. Pure BS or germ warfare--make your own decision.

  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 12,673 ✭✭✭✭

    I was informed this afternoon that vaccination mandate will be enforced by the agency for which I work. I'll have to make a decision but basically will be forced to accept the shots or lose a job I can't replace.

  • MrMag00MrMag00 Member Posts: 519 ✭✭✭

    Just check out this website and read the comments below before you make your decision. I'd rather lose my job than my life, sorry, I'm funny that way. 

    https://thecovidworld.com/world-class-athletes-who-died-or-suffered-severe-injuries-after-covid-19-vaccine/


    And if that isn't enough, check out Rumble 

  • Floyd621Floyd621 Member Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭✭

    You ain't seen nothing yet...this population control thing is going to get real nasty..

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 62,897 ✭✭✭✭

    On this topic it seems that following the money (not ignoring the power/control aspect) has been the right approach. Glen Beck's The Blaze did an interesting expose on the money trail:

    It's long but a good watch:


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    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
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  • spasmcreeksrunspasmcreeksrun Member Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭

    i would guess we will need a vaccine for every variant of this nasty that comes along... maybe china will do it for FREE

  • muggstermuggster Member Posts: 420 ✭✭

    Well, there is a lot of tippy toeing involved when it comes to covid so I’m just gonna stomp right through the wet concrete. Natural immunity is a ruse. Covid is a cold virus, everyone knows that the “cold” comes around once a year. They have failed spectacularly in the past trying to come up with a vaccine for the cold just as they have failed to come up with a vaccine for covid. Coincidence? You’ll have to dig deeper for the answer to that.

  • US Military GuyUS Military Guy Member Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭✭

    What - exactly - did "flatten the curve" mean and how was it supposed to happen?

    Second question - Is "flatten the curve" even a thing now or has that boat already floated?

  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 22,938 ✭✭✭✭

    It is becoming more clear as we see the idiocy of vaccine mandates when it is proven the injections do little to hinder the spread of the virus.

    Even those who are advocating a return to normal envision the Federal Government paying for testing and 'vaccines' forever.

    This is being used to insert the Federal Government into our health care system in a way that the ACA could never hope to achieve. Rather than controlling the money, they are controlling the drugs, the treatments, and what is still being called he vaccines.

    Maybe not the goal from the beginning, but it is going to be hard to for a politician to come out against Federal Government payment for the vaccines any time soon.

    A fundamental shift in distribution is much more intrusive than a shift in funding. Natural immunity will threaten this, and this is no doubt part of why it is being ignored.

    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 62,897 ✭✭✭✭

    They had to change the definition of vaccine to keep calling them that, because the mrna injection therapies aren't very effective even as therapies let alone as anything that could be considered an inoculation.


    And when you have major platforms like Twitter banning the inventor of MRNA therapies for spreading "misinformation" you have to look very hard at what is going on.


    Of course, it's all explained pretty well in that Beck video I linked above: the US government benefits financially from each injection sale. They financed and help develop the gain of function that made this virus they are now treating. So, just like every communist plot they created the problem and then mandated their solution to the problem. This video parody is so spot on it's scary.


    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 62,897 ✭✭✭✭
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • 4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8

    Randy, these Videos are a HOOT. Reminded me of one of our visiting nurses a couple of weeks ago. Mind you, I have nothing but respect for nurses. They are heroes on the front line.

    My wife let it slip that she was jabbed twice and her stubborn husband (Me) has not been vaccinated. Well right then and there I knew the beans had been spilt and the nurse tore into me like a Cougar on Bambi. I valiantly tried to defend my decision and even used the words "Freedom to Choose". She became enraged. She believes the President should mandate that everyone in USA should be vaccinated.

    I looked around the room and thought to my self there is no way I can win this one. It was her way or the highway. It was starting to become a very heated discussion. Now, my wife sits in her motorized recliner in the TV room surrounded by firearms on all sides. I mean it looks like Cabella's fine gun room. Finally, I just let her have the floor and after the longest rant in history she packed up her gear and left. Never even said good bye. Oh, and she forgot to check my wife's lungs and BP.

    While I was standing my ground it occurred to me, King Cuomo is gone but NY is still a Red Flag state. Have not seen this nurse again and so far the State Police have not come knocking on my front door. --------------------------Ray

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 62,897 ✭✭✭✭

    If the vax does not prevent covid, and it doesn't, why mandate it?

    If the vax does not prevent the SPREAD of covid, and it doesn't, why mandate it?

    If ALL it does is lessen the symptoms for those who have it, and that is questionable, why mandate it?

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 4,942 ✭✭✭✭

    When even some of the most biased die hard liberals start to question the Covid statistics, maybe there is a miniscule glimmer of sanity returning;

    Of course the Covid Cult will fight against any real facts that disagree with their apocalyptic vision of the disease. Bob

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