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As much as I dislike Baldwin I'm having a hard time blaming him. The Armorer is the one responsible for him getting a gun with live ammo. I just don't get why live ammo was even on the set.
On the one movie I acted as the armorer, I placed every round in every gun. The 1st director, stunt coordinator and myself all three inspected every round before it went in a gun. I provided the use of around 30 guns for the movie, also a western.
In one scene they needed two people with decent gun handling skills so the producer asked if myself and the stunt coordinator would be willing to step in and help them. The scene was basically we kick the door in jump into the cabin and get as many shots off as possible before we both get shot by the good guys. First take I had basically refused to point the gun at the actor so it looked like I was shooting at the ceiling. Next 2 takes I aimed for a spot right next to the actor. Didn't bother the actors though, they both aimed right at mine and the sc faces and pulled the trigger.
I don't like Alec but it's hard to lay the blame on him. On set it's the Armorers job to make sure it is loaded with blanks. We did have live rounds that we used for certain scenes just because blanks would have looked obvious and stupid, nor shot but just for looks.
Baldwin, dislike him as many may, was not a gun expert or even a "gun guy." That's why he hired someone to be the armorer on set, he knows nothing about it. I have had several surgeries in my life. I didn't perform them myself, I hired a professional. Did I ask him questions? Yes I did until I was comfortable to trust him to do it. After all I am no expert in that field.
Maybe he was pointing it at her and firing it, she is a whatever and not on the scene. If that is the case he is negligent and should be held accountable. It all depends what he was doing with the firearm, imo.
He's a hypocrite in the extreme. Were he honest, were he a man, being anti-gun, he would never handle one or be photographed with one. A man lives by his convictions, not by what some director says.
An ex LEO said this morning some of the crew were shooting the weapon after hours. He said the projectile passed through the lady and injured the director. Sad !!!
I get gun safety but to say that a gun is never pointed at a person in a theatrical production I don't think is realistic.
Does it warrant extra vigilance of course.
I disagree that the actor who likely has no gun knowledge is held responsible for being given a loaded weapon versus a blank gun and I highly doubt unless more nefarious things come out that Baldwin will or should be held accountable.
If anyone is to be held accountable the Asst director or the Armorer would seem the most logical, that said nothing will change what has already occurred and while this type of accident should always be prevented no one is infallible.
Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
The lame stream media are still calling it a "mis-fire"...............the gun didn't mis-fire.........Baldwin pointed it and pulled the trigger. The gun functioned as designed.
I haven't heard any of the media use the term "negligent discharge"; it doesn't imply guilt or responsibility, which may or may not be determined by the investigators & juries.
Maybe he hit on her and she turned him down..he has a huge ego and thinks he's better than everyone... let's make this look like an accident o.k. guys...no one will ever know...Karma comes in different ways... Never..Ever put anything past a celebrity..
At the risk of asking a silly question - why wasn't these in the revolver and why didn't anyone make sure they were the only thing available were the firearms were kept????
The latest rumor is that some of the crew used that gun for actual target practice the day before. If it was a semi-auto, that brings up the possibility that they dropped the magazine but didn't clear the chamber. Then the idiot bimbo they hired as "armourer" failed to check it before it got handed to Baldwin.
I am now told that the gun was a single-action revolver. That obviates the above idea. Disregard.
They just said on the news an "armorer" named Hannah, who was 24 years old, was in charge of the weapons on the set. This couldn't have been set up to end any differently from what I'm hearing.
When I made that post above, I had only read about "a gun" and "a movie set" so was unaware that it was an Old West movie. Mea culpa for not doing more research first.
Having now read much more, I am stunned by the many instances of dumbshittery that took place on that set.
Well.............the irony. As tragic as the incident is for the killed and injured, it could not have happened to a more deserving............anti-gun, prosthelytizing, self aggrandizing, idiotic...........blow-hard.
Again: Is anyone on here qualified or experienced enough to say if blood is drawn for chemical/alcohol testing from all persons involved in "accidental" matters like this, much as when a death occurs in auto accidents.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
That is what I have been telling friends and others for years...no one wants to hear it.. The most impressionable in our society (KIDS) get almost ALL their so called education from TV, Videos and the movies. No one ever held a gun sideways until some hotshot movie star did it on the big screen and now every thug caught on surveillance is doing the same thing. They didn't learn that in gun safety class. The media has killed more people in this country than have died in any conflict since WWII.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
One question. Would you ever fire a weapon that someone else claimed did not have live ammo in it without checking the firearm yourself? Not me, -----------------------------Ray
Don, you are correct. I edited that part out. What if blanks were the only game in town? I was trying to imply somehow the mere presence of a firearm can save a life even if it was unloaded. Of course no one wants to defend them self with a unloaded weapon.--------------------Ray
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I personally don't see the debate in who is guilty of some form of negligence. Anyone involved in a movie production is there for one reason. Money!
Doesn't matter the job title, they are there to establish their moment in history of altered reality.
Everything they stand for is illusion, except collecting the huge paycheck after the perfect shot of their fake, hips, lips, tits, butts, and brains are on film.
The staff behind the scenes are in the same boat. Greed is, and has always been, the end of many great people.
Just like a dog returning to vomit, Baldwin will continue, and so will the next idiot.
It's Hollywood, they fake everything else, why not gunfire?
For many decades there have been movies made using blanks in firearms. Now they need to be banned from movie sets. Because banning idiots who do not follow the safety rules doesn't make any sense. Seems I've heard this story before.
NM is cultivating the movie industry and will most likely bring charges against the lowest person, if anyone, on the totem pole. The whole concept of having three people between the actors and the prop person is to make it vague as to where responsibility lies. Lawyers are already licking their lips and billing their clients.
from what i have seen and heard live guns are not uncommon ( or use to be ) on movie and TV sets it was like a normal thing . they also as some one posted same move may have solid resin / plastic look alike guns and then have ones just made to fire blanks and of course real live fire guns . but what counts a series of checks were not followed thru confirming as suppose to . there will be a butt load of cash paid out to settle lawsuits and some maybe a couple will get possible jail time probation for sure and any licenses to work with firearms will be revoked
none of which will bring back the dead girl . the ones involved will always have blood on there hands and a lady's death in there mind to deal with
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As much as I dislike Baldwin I'm having a hard time blaming him. The Armorer is the one responsible for him getting a gun with live ammo. I just don't get why live ammo was even on the set.
On the one movie I acted as the armorer, I placed every round in every gun. The 1st director, stunt coordinator and myself all three inspected every round before it went in a gun. I provided the use of around 30 guns for the movie, also a western.
In one scene they needed two people with decent gun handling skills so the producer asked if myself and the stunt coordinator would be willing to step in and help them. The scene was basically we kick the door in jump into the cabin and get as many shots off as possible before we both get shot by the good guys. First take I had basically refused to point the gun at the actor so it looked like I was shooting at the ceiling. Next 2 takes I aimed for a spot right next to the actor. Didn't bother the actors though, they both aimed right at mine and the sc faces and pulled the trigger.
I don't like Alec but it's hard to lay the blame on him. On set it's the Armorers job to make sure it is loaded with blanks. We did have live rounds that we used for certain scenes just because blanks would have looked obvious and stupid, nor shot but just for looks.
Baldwin, dislike him as many may, was not a gun expert or even a "gun guy." That's why he hired someone to be the armorer on set, he knows nothing about it. I have had several surgeries in my life. I didn't perform them myself, I hired a professional. Did I ask him questions? Yes I did until I was comfortable to trust him to do it. After all I am no expert in that field.
Media is stating the movie folks are going to quit using guns and go to air soft replicas.
Maybe he was pointing it at her and firing it, she is a whatever and not on the scene. If that is the case he is negligent and should be held accountable. It all depends what he was doing with the firearm, imo.
He's a hypocrite in the extreme. Were he honest, were he a man, being anti-gun, he would never handle one or be photographed with one. A man lives by his convictions, not by what some director says.
An ex LEO said this morning some of the crew were shooting the weapon after hours. He said the projectile passed through the lady and injured the director. Sad !!!
Just heard crew was using the gun with live ammo for target practice on the scene when not filming this not going to end well
I get gun safety but to say that a gun is never pointed at a person in a theatrical production I don't think is realistic.
Does it warrant extra vigilance of course.
I disagree that the actor who likely has no gun knowledge is held responsible for being given a loaded weapon versus a blank gun and I highly doubt unless more nefarious things come out that Baldwin will or should be held accountable.
If anyone is to be held accountable the Asst director or the Armorer would seem the most logical, that said nothing will change what has already occurred and while this type of accident should always be prevented no one is infallible.
The lame stream media are still calling it a "mis-fire"...............the gun didn't mis-fire.........Baldwin pointed it and pulled the trigger. The gun functioned as designed.
I haven't heard any of the media use the term "negligent discharge"; it doesn't imply guilt or responsibility, which may or may not be determined by the investigators & juries.
Neal
Maybe he hit on her and she turned him down..he has a huge ego and thinks he's better than everyone... let's make this look like an accident o.k. guys...no one will ever know...Karma comes in different ways... Never..Ever put anything past a celebrity..
At the risk of asking a silly question - why wasn't these in the revolver and why didn't anyone make sure they were the only thing available were the firearms were kept????
Best Regards - AQH
The latest rumor is that some of the crew used that gun for actual target practice the day before. If it was a semi-auto, that brings up the possibility that they dropped the magazine but didn't clear the chamber. Then the idiot bimbo they hired as "armourer" failed to check it before it got handed to Baldwin.
I am now told that the gun was a single-action revolver. That obviates the above idea. Disregard.
They just said on the news an "armorer" named Hannah, who was 24 years old, was in charge of the weapons on the set. This couldn't have been set up to end any differently from what I'm hearing.
When I made that post above, I had only read about "a gun" and "a movie set" so was unaware that it was an Old West movie. Mea culpa for not doing more research first.
Having now read much more, I am stunned by the many instances of dumbshittery that took place on that set.
If you want to read more, here's a summary with an embedded link to much more...
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/report-gun-that-killed-halyna-hutchins-used-by-crew-off-set-for-live-target-practice/
Well.............the irony. As tragic as the incident is for the killed and injured, it could not have happened to a more deserving............anti-gun, prosthelytizing, self aggrandizing, idiotic...........blow-hard.
"A woman has died and a man has been injured after actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a New Mexico film set for the 19th Century western Rust."
The above is the first sentence in the original link from the original post! "the 19th Century western Rust"
80 plus posts and the questions about the time period and type of gun were answered in the first post....
Again: Is anyone on here qualified or experienced enough to say if blood is drawn for chemical/alcohol testing from all persons involved in "accidental" matters like this, much as when a death occurs in auto accidents.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
BRAVO Rocky !! BRAVO
That is what I have been telling friends and others for years...no one wants to hear it.. The most impressionable in our society (KIDS) get almost ALL their so called education from TV, Videos and the movies. No one ever held a gun sideways until some hotshot movie star did it on the big screen and now every thug caught on surveillance is doing the same thing. They didn't learn that in gun safety class. The media has killed more people in this country than have died in any conflict since WWII.
Ban movies!
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
How many times you going to beat that dead horse???
Combat Vet VN
D.A.V Life Member
Damn! He killed a horse too???? They will put him in jail for that!!
I guess I can carry my "prop" gun anywhere I want to.
Thank God I don't own "assault weapons" any longer. Interesting how the vernacular changes depending on who is holding the firearm.
It was a firearm PERIOD. It was not a "prop". It may be a firearm used as a "prop" it is still a firearm.
One question. Would you ever fire a weapon that someone else claimed did not have live ammo in it without checking the firearm yourself? Not me, -----------------------------Ray
If someone told me a firearm did not have live ammo, I don't see myself firing it in a life or death situation.
Brad Steele
Don, you are correct. I edited that part out. What if blanks were the only game in town? I was trying to imply somehow the mere presence of a firearm can save a life even if it was unloaded. Of course no one wants to defend them self with a unloaded weapon.--------------------Ray
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I don't have a comment but this is 97. I don't remember a 100 comments on any subject.
I personally don't see the debate in who is guilty of some form of negligence. Anyone involved in a movie production is there for one reason. Money!
Doesn't matter the job title, they are there to establish their moment in history of altered reality.
Everything they stand for is illusion, except collecting the huge paycheck after the perfect shot of their fake, hips, lips, tits, butts, and brains are on film.
The staff behind the scenes are in the same boat. Greed is, and has always been, the end of many great people.
Just like a dog returning to vomit, Baldwin will continue, and so will the next idiot.
It's Hollywood, they fake everything else, why not gunfire?
Negligent Homicide at the very least.
"Souza told them Baldwin was "sitting in a pew in a church building setting, and he was practicing a cross draw," the affidavit said."
The headlines should have read: Alec Baldwin kills directer while playing with firearm on movie set.
For many decades there have been movies made using blanks in firearms. Now they need to be banned from movie sets. Because banning idiots who do not follow the safety rules doesn't make any sense. Seems I've heard this story before.
No real guns or live ammo on a movie set, huh?
John Wayne and Constance Towers shooting William Holden's .44 Magnum Smith & Wesson.
Notice the lack of ear and eye protection. Good times!
NM is cultivating the movie industry and will most likely bring charges against the lowest person, if anyone, on the totem pole. The whole concept of having three people between the actors and the prop person is to make it vague as to where responsibility lies. Lawyers are already licking their lips and billing their clients.
MHO Smoky
The gun has been described as an "Era appropriate antique firearm."
It boils down to this-
Forget Hollywood, why is this lady dead? Because Baldwin shot her.
from what i have seen and heard live guns are not uncommon ( or use to be ) on movie and TV sets it was like a normal thing . they also as some one posted same move may have solid resin / plastic look alike guns and then have ones just made to fire blanks and of course real live fire guns . but what counts a series of checks were not followed thru confirming as suppose to . there will be a butt load of cash paid out to settle lawsuits and some maybe a couple will get possible jail time probation for sure and any licenses to work with firearms will be revoked
none of which will bring back the dead girl . the ones involved will always have blood on there hands and a lady's death in there mind to deal with
Love these photos. Back when America was America.