E-File for NFA stuff?
GTRiem
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I do not own any NFA items.... yet
I never bothered to go through the hassle of getting a silencer before, but one of the local shops is advertising a process called E-file.
From what I have read about it, it is a 1 stop process where I can buy my silencer, tax stamp, finger printing, get the local law enforcement blessing/or notify, and get a trust if that's how I want to handle the paperwork.
They say it will reduce wait time significantly. If this all actually works, I think I am interested in getting some silencers.
Have any of you used e-file? I'm not sure if it's a new process or just new in my local area.
If you have, is it as simple as it sounds?
Would the gun trust make the most sense as you can name a beneficiary to take possession after I'm gone?
Picking out the hardware,
Do most cans make the standard sights on pistols useless? The couple I've seen in person the can was larger than the sights were tall. Of my collection of firearms not a single one has a threaded barrel, except the AR's so I will be looking at guns to mate with a silencer so which combinations work well?
I'm thinking 22's & 9mm, on the rifle side at some point 5.56 & 30 cal. Are there cans that are decent to use as universal across both calibers? What would you buy as your 1'st purchase?
Have bookmarked some websites of silencer company's and hope to do some reading/research over the holidays and learn more about this.
Appreciate any input or suggestions.
GTR
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There hasn't been efile on form 4's since 2016, supposedly it is going to come back at some point but as of now I don't believe there is any known date. You can efile a form 1 if you plan on making your own NFA item and Form 3's between dealers are efiled.
I received an e-mail from the BATF stating that they are still updating the system, which they now hope will go active in two days. Time will tell.
Here is a thread from last year that goes into silencers in some depth. If you have more questions about the hardware, feel free to ask.
suppressor sugestions — GunBroker.com Member Forums
My co worker bought a silencer and it took a damn year to process everything. To me that’s unacceptable amount of time. Stuff like that should be done in 30 days max(wishful thinking I know).
Thanks for the responses, I read the other post linked, and I guess what made the most sense was the time is gonna pass anyway, so I think I will pursue this even if the easy way doesn't come to be. Thanks for that!
Started reading on some websites about the different products.
I believe the suggestion to get a 45 cal can that I could use over several calibers could be a good way to start.
There are many many brands and constructed out of different material options.
I am hesitant to ask what's the best.
Like anything, you get what you pay for. I'm looking for a quality product that will last if taken care of, like tools. Not looking for fancy name just a good product for the investment.
I will ask. Are there are any that are to be avoided? Brands or material.
Plan to get one for a 22 rimfire.
The 45 cal, I like the modular system to change length.
While shopping these do I shop in "rifle" category if I plan to use on a rifle as well as pistol? Not sure I understand the ratings, can shop by "caliber" or "caliber rating"
Here's where I'm probably putting cart before the horse and over thinking, since I have not had any barrels threaded, or bought new pistols or barrels yet.
With these cans, it seems the pistons and spring/sleeve are sold separately.
Reviews on some are pretty critical because the pistons are not available in whatever attachment thread or lug is needed or just not in stock often.
Which companies have the better accessories availability?
In one of Marks pics he had at least 3 pistons with different thread. Would it be wise to spend the money at time of buying the can and get the most common pistons?
Are these pistons able to be bought after my tax stamp for the can? Are they NFA also? Not just pistons but any needed components to maintain it?
Stopped at one of my LGS, but as big as they are, they have only 1 guy that does NFA and he wasn't available to see me, so hopefully after the holidays I can move forward.
Thanks for your input.
GTR
When talking caliber, silencers fall into three basic categories: centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and .22 rimfire. All three are built to different standards to withstand specific pressures. A .22 rimfire suppressor is small and lightweight. If you were to screw a .22 rimfire suppressor onto a .22 centerfire (5.56mm) rifle and then fire it, the little .22 rimfire can would quickly be destroyed. On the other hand, were you to mount a .22 centerfire suppressor onto a .22 rimfire rifle, the centerfire suppressor would quickly become clogged with the normal cartridge fouling. .22 suppressors are easy to disassemble to preform a complete cleaning, while centerfire rifle suppressors are not.
In the case of centerfire rifle suppressors, one size can fit all. Obviously you can not safely fire a .30 caliber projectile through a .22 caliber opening, but you can fire 5.56mm through a .30 caliber suppressor all day long without any concern. The issue is size and weight:
These three cans are made by Yankee Hill (one of my favorites manufacturers). The top can is the .30 caliber Resonator, the middle can is the 5.56 Turbo, and the lower is the 5.56mm Turbo-K (shortened). The .30 caliber can will handle all caliber up to .300 Win Mag, which means it was overbuilt to withstand such a heavy blast. That means extra length and weight that you don't need when firing 5.56mm. On the other hand, with a $200 tax looming on each suppressor, you could probably learn live with it.
Caliber rating means the largest caliber that the suppressor is designed to safely fire with specific barrel lengths. My 30 cal Resonator will safely shoot any of these calibers:
Pistol calibers are far more forgiving. The diameter of the bullet being the only real factor. It is perfectly fine to shoot 9mm and .40 S&W through a .45 caliber suppressor, but you need the correct pistons. The pistons are not controlled parts. You can purchase them from a variety of suppliers. They may seem expensive, but they are a LOT cheaper than another suppressor. I use my .45 cal GEMTECH on my SIG P220, Walther P99 .40 S&W, a 9mm carbine, as well as 9mm pistols. You just need a pile of parts to make it all happen!
There's more...there always is, but you can study this for a while and then come back with more questions. Mark C.
There is a lot to digest for sure. It looks like I'm running a bit late to take advantage of some pretty decent offers and promotions going on now by some of these manufactures, but I assume they'll run another shortly and hopefully I can take advantage if it suits my needs.
I decided my #1 priority is to buy a new 22 rimfire pistol and a suppressor to suit.
If I can sort through the choices in a timely manner, I will consider a multi-purpose can in 46 caliber and do the stamp for it at the same time. Fingers crossed after new year the "out of stock" will change to "in stock" I believe it's like car dealers and the shop can work with others to get supply, I don't know if that adds to my final costs or not. Transfers between dealers before end user cost more?
At this point with my limited knowledge and not knowing what firearms, rifles & pistols, I want to buy or modify to accept a suppressor these seem to be a great solution.
I have read about and looked at reviews on a few.
SiCo hybrid
Dead-air Primal
Griffin Bushwhacker
These all look to have all the necessary attachment options to cover most needs.
I may have missed it but did not see a muti-purpose offered from YHM, or Gemtech they're stuff looks top quality also.
I know no silencer fills all needs. I'm sure to add to the collection once I get out of the shallow end of this deep pool.
Pros/cons or other input welcome.
GTR
.22 rimfire is an excellent starting point. Quite a few .22 pistol already come with threaded barrels, or a barrel can be purchased. Walther has some interesting offerings, including the modern P22 as well as the classic PPK:
You can also get a .22 cal version of the full sized 9mm Walther PPQ, which is great for training:
Honestly, only the size of the suppressors are a give away as to caliber.
Glock now offers a .22 pistol with an optional threaded barrel, or you can buy a conversion unit (which I did):
Keep in mind that the .22 suppressor also works fine on .22 rimfire rifles like the Ruger 10-22:
or the Ruger target rifle (special brushed aluminum suppressor to match the rifle's SS finish):
or use a normal suppressor:
The great thing about rimfire suppressors is that they seldom require special suppressor height sights. Just screw it on and head out to the range (or your backyard).
Keep the questions coming. Mark C.
Thank you, Mark, the input from you and others on this and the other post have been very helpful.
I especially appreciate the photos. A picture worth 1000 words defiantly applies here. Seeing the cans on the host guns is great.
Lots of drooling and oooooh & ahhhhhh over here.
GTR
Remember when the GOP had the house, the senate & the White House for 2 years?
They should have been fixing systematic infringements on individual rights like this.
Hopefully it gets done soon, the technology certainly exists, but the government has no incentive to gain efficiency.
As Mark said, I like YHM (Reasonator, Turbo, and Turbo K) They work great.
The hype over the return of "e-file" is yet to be fulfilled but we all have hopes that the stamping process will speed up.
Save yourself some time and aggravation by checking out Silencer Shop.
PS
I don't have nor am I much interested in a centerfire pistol muffler-just a personal preference. I do love a good rimfire pistol with muffler. Just so much fun and handy to boot. My mufflers are all 'working tools' vs range toys so I have slightly different interests and expectations.
On rimfire suppressors, FRP(first round pop) is totally unacceptable. Large, heavy cans are very unhandy in the field which is a big deal. I really like the YHM Reasonator but it's pushing the envelope of size and weight for a hunting tool .