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Has anyone besides me noticed the bidding prices for Remington Ultimate BP rifles lately?
Okie743
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Here is a link to one on GB:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/919203413
Why???
Are they no longer made or what the deal? (like are the new Ultimates hung up in a shipping carton off the coast of Kalif and Joe cannot get them onshore, maybe???????)
I've got one I bought few years ago with all the attachments. I'm going to see if it's still buried deep in the back of the Gun Safe and dust it off an be careful and not drool/slobber over it's shiny stainless surface and laminated stock after seeing the demand. (stock might separate if exposed to dampness)
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2 bidders make an auction
With the Remington sell-off to various different companies, I don't think the Ultimate will be back in production soon. Small sales figures don't lead to recouping your investment when you buy a company. That is a shame because I liked the gun and scarcity is driving the price.
20 or so years ago I tried out its predecessor - the Ultimate Muzzeloader made here in Michigan. They were trying to get us interested in selling it, so off to the range we went. At that time it could be ordered with a Rem 700 or I believe Weatherby Vanguard action. The makers claimed 250 grains, (5 pellets) could be used because of their ignition system which was a primed 45mag case. I was not impressed because standing to the side and watching my co-worker shoot I was seeing a LOT of unburned powder when the heavy loads were shot. It looked to me that all the fifth pellet was doing was add weight to what was being shot out of the gun, adding recoil and no real benefit because it was burning up downrange. Needless to say we passed on selling the rifle and years afterward I heard of quite a few other problems that cropped up. Fortunately, Remington took on the idea and made quite a few improvements and used more realistic loads and built a pretty good rifle at half the cost of the original guys. Who knows, maybe we will see it again if and when Remmy becomes successful in its new incarnation. Bob
I have wanted one for a while but not at these prices
wow
we do have a week and two weekends to muzzle-load hunt but my old muzzle-loader will have to work
it has for years
never have needed a 300 yard muzzle-loader that bad but they do interest me
Not finished either.. might go higher
I checked the bid history. The two bidders are A+ 23 and A+ 45 so no NR bidders. NR bidder was my first thought and figured the seller was screwed but I was wrong. Me being wrong happens once maybe every four or five years! 🤣
thanks for the information Oakie
I have shot and still shoot a Remington 700ml .54caliber with the 209 conversion and use 90 grains of PyrodexRS FFG equivalent and use Remington Black Powder .44 caliber 303 grain Sabots it has served me well for many years of deer hunting.
I think with your information I will stick to what works for me at 100 yards or less(most of the time in the woods 50 yards or less)
sure will be cheaper on my pocket book Thank You
My 54 caliber 700ml is not as user friendly or for accuracy at 100 yards as compared to my 50 calibers. (the 54 is more picky about the correct recipe for good consistent accuracy)
BUT:
I've used these in my 54cal 700ml with good accuracy results on deer. (use about 60-70 gr powder) This is a .50 dia ALL COPPER jacketed BULLET (50caliber diameter) using a 54cal sabot) They are destructive when they hit and mushroom. Too much powder will make the accuracy suffer.
The larger the dia of the bullet which results in less plastic petals you have on the sides of a sabot normally the more consistent the accuracy. (and the colder the plastic sabot the more consistent, therefore do not let the plastic sabots get hot inside plastic containers during a sunny day or they will get soft and accuracy goes out the window, normally)
They (Barnes) cost at least a $1 a shot but worth such for good accuracy from the 54's.
Barnes 54 Cal .500 Dia 325 Grain Expander Muzzleloader Flat Base Bullet
you can review at this link. They are hard to locate right now.
Expander MZ - Barnes Bullets
Here is a picture of what they look like when mushroomed.
Midsouth sometimes had them on sale, but not now.
54 Caliber .500 Diameter 325 Grain Expander MZ With Sabots 24 Count by Barnes (midsouthshooterssupply.com)
"Rem 700ML's due to primer blow back through the bolt into the face)"........I picked up a Rem. .54 a few years ago and installed a 209 system, works great. It really likes the .54 power belt bullets and 100 gns of 777. 1" groups at 100 yrds.
Believe it or not Okie that is almost the same set up for my Hawken except I still have the original barrel and use Pyrodex.
Very accurate an deadly to boot.
I "HAD" a 700ML. Hated that gun from day one, and I'm a huge Remington guy. Could never get that darn thing to shoot good at even 100 yards. Sold it and bought a T/C Omega. Still hunt with it today. Great accuracy out to 200 yards.
I swear I saw a blurb recently about a similar ignition system being used in another modern muzzle loading rifle.
Maybe in the NRA magazine?
When I see auctions like this go sky high I wonder if someone isn't trying to get a hold of the gun for research. Will we see an article come out about this rifle in a magazine soon?