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Monday night football incident
BobJudy
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I have been watching the NFL my whole life. I know some of you don't and I respect that, but I still watch the occasional game. I have never seen a player get CPR on the field and then have an ambulance come out to take them away before;
This is a 24 year old athlete that just collapsed and from all indications stopped breathing. Heart attack, stroke, aneurysm, it could be a lot of things. Scary! Bob
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Hoping for a full recovery. I suspect an underlying condition.
Scary indeed. Hope he recovers.
Yep, prayers for a good recovery.
Prayers for Damar Hamlin.
My wife had the game on and I just happened to look up as this happened. It was scary watching that kid go down like he did. Almost looked like someone just cut his strings and let him drop.
Prayers for his recovery.
But it's just a coincidence that NFL players had mandatory Covid shots, right?
Probably too early to draw conclusions, Rocky, but yes, that was the first thing that crossed my mind as well.
Brad Steele
My thoughts exactly. Just watched a few very informative videos of a phenomenon just like what happened.
Hope the player gets better, but if it is what I think, the game of football is over.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
I am curious about the results from his blood work. However, I doubt the NFL will reveal any of the results.
Same here. Hoping for a full recovery for the guy.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
It could be ventricular fibrillation brought on by the sharp blow to the chest he received from the shoulder of the other player. As others have said, it is to early to guess, but if he recovers his playing days are over.
I wonder how many of his family were watching the game and saw him collapse. It must have been a nightmare for them. Bob
They've already begun the "Not the shot!" narrative.
I got hit one time as a little kid with a bat in the chest on the backswing playing catcher in a softball game............'bout thought I was going to die right there. Took all the wind out of me and a few min to start breathing again.
I worked many hundreds of heart attacks as a Paramedic. Yes, they can do CPR at an NFL game, but CPR is not much good. Don't believe the pro-CPR propaganda put out by Red Cross.
If he was in ventricular fibrillation, he needed immediate shocking. Defibrillation.
Yes the trainer rushed out onto the field, but he is not used to seeing football players in cardiac arrest. Yes the team doctor was there, but he is a bone doctor.
No doubt there are many defibrillation machines in that stadium, but do they keep one on the bench? I doubt it. So the trainer and doc had to check for a carotid pulse, diagnose V-fib, and then send a trainer on a run into the locker room for the de-fib machine? Patient needs to be shocked in four or five minutes and this case certainly could have taken longer.
I have watched thousands of football games on tv, hundreds in person and 70 that I played in. I never have seen a 24 year old football player collapse in cardiac arrest. I wonder if it is the Corona shot.
I just hope that if it was shot related (seems likely) that he chose to get it voluntarily and not because the NFL forced him to, to keep his job.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
you guys are nicer than me, I wonder if it ain't drug related.......
The almost immediate call for the ambulance to go on the field could be explained by the need for a defibrillator. I have never seen an actual ambulance on an NFL field before, just the medical golf carts. I would imagine the trainers, the bone doc and the paramedics in the ambulance are all trained to use a defib. Heck, even I was shown what to do when we installed a couple of the portable ones at the skeet/clays club a few years ago. That is knowledge I hope I'll never need. Bob
When the story first broke, one of the trolls on a news website commented "Watch the MAGAs try to act like the care about a black man."
I re-read the article and it didn't mention his race or show his face. Only his name.
I pointed this out to the troll and asked "Who's the racist, now."
If it had anything to do with the shot there should be several hundred other players tipping over soon.
I believe I have read that the covid shot makes a heart situation 7 or 8 times more likely in the 20 something age group. This is my often faulty memory working {or not working}. A healthy 24 yo is unlikely to drop over from a heart attack. How many players is 7 or 8 times very unlikely. I'm guessing it is a very small number but 1 is to large a number!!
Thru my years in medicine , being a red cross cpr trainer, paramedic and firefighter i have worked lots of heart attacks. One thing I have learned is that suden cardiac arrest doesn't respect any age . Each fall as schools are starting up and football season begins , somewhere a young man with no previous history will suffer an arrest on the field . Prayers for him to healed with no further complications.
there's more to it than will ever be told
Just read a little while ago that 1101 athletes had dropped dead from the jab in the last 2 years..it seems that the population control thing is working.. just think about the ordinary folks.. look up SADS...
"It was said that every minute that he was not shocked, increased his chance of mortality by 10%."
I have defibrillated over 100 patients, and I can tell you that this is pretty accurate. Ten minutes of CPR with no shock, call the coroner. CPR is not much good.
In any football game there are dozens of hits to the chest, and never have I seen a young man collapse from cardiac arrest. Thousands and thousands of hits I have seen, many of them more violent than this one.
Something fishy going on here.
WASHINGTON (TND) — Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin has shown "remarkable improvement over the past 24 hours" after he suffered a cardiac arrest and collapsed on the field during a game Monday night, the team said Thursday.
The University of Cincinnati Medical Center later held a news conference about Hamlin's medical progress, with physicians noting that "he was able to communicate with us in writing" and asked if the Bills won the game.
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Great news! His brain is working pretty well. He can't speak because he has a tube in his windpipe to breathe him.
This case might turn out OK. He must have gotten shocked pretty quickly.
Good news for him. He is very lucky to have survived this, but also is still a long way from out of the woods. Best wishes for him.
Heard a lot about this on the radio while I was out doing errands today. Sounds like good news for him, his family and teammates. They credited his survival to a quick acting trainer and said there were 4 emergency room doctors at the game that offered to help. Kudo's to those who stepped up and gave this young man a chance.
I did smile when I heard his first question upon waking up was "Who won the game". Bob
CPR also works wonders. We had a guy collapse with a heart attack a couple of months ago. No pulse, no breathing. One of the guys administered CPR until the paramedics arrived (5+ minutes, maybe more). His heart was beating when he was loaded onto the ambulance. No cognitive damage what-so-ever.
Point - If you run into this situation, do not give up on the CPR. You can save a life and save a brain with chest compression alone.
Brad Steele
Be sure the pt is in cardiac arrest. It is hard to check for a pulse. It is possible that your CPR "save" was never in cardiac arrest in the first place.
CPR can and will cause fractured ribs, and those sharp rib ends can drive into the heart and lungs, causing major damage. Old geezers have more brittle ribs than do young people.
I have been on the scene over 350 times when CPR was administered, and about 10 of those patients walked out of the hospital. We paramedics called CPR "one of the greatest hoaxes ever pulled on the American people."
We experienced field Medics could not figure out why the Red Cross pushed CPR so vigorously. I guess the Red Cross made money off of it.
One of my old paramedic buddies was working out in a gym in Milledgeville, Georgia five years ago. Suddenly, one of the guys working out collapsed to the floor. A bystander yelled out "Heart Attack!" and he began CPR.
Gary was close by, and he stopped the man after 3 compressions. About 3 seconds. He told the guy to lay off, as he was a Paramedic. Gary checked the neck, and there was a carotid pulse! The man was having a seizure, his heart never had stopped beating.
Had Gary not intervened, the ambulance would have arrived in 5 minutes, "helpful bystanders" doing CPR, ambulance medics hook him to the monitor, and his heart is beating! It would have made the newspaper as "CPR SAVES MAN AT GYM."
It would have made the newspapers so, had sharp broken rib ends not lacerated his heart, and caused his death.
Taking a pulse is tricky, especially if the patient is having a seizure. Takes a lot of practice to be able to feel for a pulse, especially in a crisis.
Full cardiac arrest was confirmed in the hospital. The save was performed by a trained EMT who knew what he was doing. While I appreciate your armchair assessment, you are no quarterback.
Brad Steele
back in the 70s i guess, the old St Louis Football Cardinals had a magnificent tight end JV Caine, who collapsed and died at their practice facility. mid 20s on him also. cardiac arrest
i was a senior in high school fall of 1967, playing right guard on offense. The fullback a junior 16 yrs old was following me on a running play. he was holding my jersey as we turned the corner of the defense. he pulled me down when he collapsed. he was taken from the field immediately to the local hospital where he was pronounced dead. brain aneurism, no connection to football activity. autopsy showed him to have 4 other places in his body ready to burst the artery.