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Probably gonna be upset

Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******
edited January 2023 in General Discussion

I imagine when folks finally realize people are collapsing because of the jab, they're going to be upset. When they find out the jab makers have indemnity to it, they're gonna be more upset.



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  • FrogdogFrogdog Member Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭

    They’ll probably be even MORE upset when they realize that their initial upsettedness was fueled by wild internet speculation rather than evidence.

  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭

    Sounds more like a diabetic episode from the symptoms. Not discounting the vaccine worries, but I scoured the web the other day and found a lot of gloomy accusations and just as many denying any problems exist. Kind of hard to know who to believe. I would wager the truth is somewhere in the middle and like any medical treatment there will be a small minority that have adverse reactions. No matter what the truth is, it will never convince everyone. It brings to mind the furor over childhood vaccines being accused of causing autism and that was old technology and not this new MRNA stuff that a lot of folks fear because it is new. Bob

  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭

    Mike55, I am not doubting you, but wonder if you could provide a link for the number of cardiac arrests in young people and the causes. All of the info from "creditable" sources I can find says the virus is the primary cause for the heart problems. Some say catching Covid without being vaccinated increases the chances of heart problems 6X vs being vaccinated in the young.

    I don't know if any increase in cardiac episodes is due to the virus, the vaccine or both. It may be a case of correlation not leading to causation. Perhaps my search parameters are wrong, so if you have any links to peer reviewed info/statistics about this and could pass them along I'd appreciate it. Bob

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******
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    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
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  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    Like i said......Google. There are at least 2 round table events with a sitting member of congress. He is the host. He has doctors from every aspect, including the Dr who helped invent mRna technology. THEY provide the data that you are requesting. Watch, listen, and check out the facts they provide. These are around 3 hours each and they will answer all your questions.

    The young people didnt start falling dead from sudden cardiac events (not in these high numbers) until the "vaccine" was forced on everyone. We went 12-18 months of the worst variant of covid, yet virtually NO young people died. Insert the shot, young people start dying! Is this peer reviewed, no but its still hard to ignore.

    The roundtable interviews should satisfy your need for published facts. Like I said, watch em, listen to em, and the look up their sources.

  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 16,566 ✭✭✭✭

    What's the source of your graph, Randy? I'd like to dig into that more. It certainly looks damning.

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******
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    Some will fall in love with life
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  • FrogdogFrogdog Member Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭

    Lies, Damn Lies, ……and Statistics

    Those who oppose the vaccine will find statistics to support their position, and those on the other side will find statistics that support theirs.

    There is virtually nothing these days that is truly objective.

  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    I will look them up when I can spare that much time to watch 6 hours worth. Thanks.

    Interesting, and will need further study. It certainly seems damning but leaves a lot out. Since viruses can damage the heart, how many of those that died had covid sometime before their heart problems? Could the damage have been done by the virus but only became evident after the lock downs were over and people resumed normal strenuous activity like sports? In other words, did the virus during lockdowns build a pool of people with heart problems? Once again does correlation mean causation? They may have all had vaccines but how many had a history of having had covid?

    The Janssen vaccine was by far the smallest percentage of doses given and is not a MRNA vaccine but still has representation on the chart that corresponds with it's usage. All of the representations seem to follow the amount that each was used. Strange that two different types of vaccines have the same side effects. I'm going to have to keep digging to see if I can find an unbiased study that takes into account all factors. If you run across one before I do, please pass it along. Bob

    Edit to add;

    This is one study that tells of the potential for heart problems even in the asymptomatic cases -


  • chris8X57chris8X57 Member Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭

    I am sure that Bill Gates of Moderna and Albert Bourla of Pfizer only care about our health, and not the billions in income.🙄

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******
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    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
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  • FrogdogFrogdog Member Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭

    Yep, those suckers who got the early polio vax in the 50’s are now starting to drop like flies too. Someone should sound the alarm. It must be the vaccine.

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******


    You don't have to be convinced there's a connection between heart issues and the covid vax after looking at the scant data presented here, but your hyperbolic non sequiturs aren't any sort of argument against the connection. Do you have something to contribute or are you just trolling?

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    Some will fall in love with life
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  • FrogdogFrogdog Member Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2023

    No trolling here. Sorry if it came off like that (I knew I should have added a little smiley!! 😁). Anyhow, just pointing out the lack of real evidence presented whenever these claims of a connection come up. Not saying there is or there isn’t one. Who knows? However, people are all over every corner of the Internet claiming the vax is responsible, but never seem to produce anything that is definitive, verifiable, and from a credible source. Just video clips of random people collapsing, and charts/stats without credible footnotes.

    Ultimately, we can all probably agree, however, that the vaccine should be (and should have always been) a personal choice where you weigh the risks, make your decision, and are accountable to yourself for whatever comes.

  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭

    Mr. P, I assumed those comments pertained, in a slightly humorous way, to my causation/correlation comment and I wasn't offended. But they did illustrate the fallacy of jumping to conclusions.

    Did you read the Johns Hopkins study I linked to? If, and that is a big if, it is correct it can explain a lot of those cardiac problems we are talking about. Since it was done before the vaccines were in common use and they still found cardiac problems among those that had a covid history it points to the virus as the reason for it. They will be doing a post vaccine study that will show if the vaccine has exacerbated the problem. It may be a long time, if ever, before we actually know. Bob

  • KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    Have not got, nor do I intend to get the "Vaccine."

    If you feel like getting it, knock yourself out. No one is stopping you.

    Me? I'm Not taking it.

    You? That's on you.

    Help yourself.

  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,041 ✭✭✭✭

    And some people will be even more upset when they realize that the information was out there. If only they had paid attention, and listened to experts. There are no coincidences.

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    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭

    Here is the statement from the CDC regarding VAERS;

    Note in the statement they say that a report to VAERS does not mean the incident was caused by a vaccine.

    A certain portion of the population unfortunately becomes ill or even dies daily. When you have a mass inoculation over a short period of time, wouldn't a lot of those ordinary illnesses or deaths be reported to VAERS if they occurred shortly after the shot was given? So 3 years ago if lets say 100 people out of a million died daily it was just a normal event. Now because almost 70% of those million people are vaccinated and some died shortly after the shot, those same 100 deaths become the shots fault. Kind of strange logic there.

    There just may be a problem with the vaccines, but so far in my search I find no reliable proof that shows that. I find a lot of opinions that are backed by either incomplete or misrepresented data. I haven't got through all of the Ron Johnson Covid meetings yet but so far it seems to be politically skewed with little real verifiable data. I'm hoping it gets better as I continue to watch it.

    I don't have an ax to grind, and kind of have Ken's attitude of it should be everyone's choice about whether or not you get vaccinated. I just want the truth about it's effects. Unfortunately there is a lot of B.S. out there, both for and against, that needs to be waded through. I'll just keep plodding along in my quest until it drives me totally bonkers because for now, at least, it is interesting. Bob

  • mac10mac10 Member Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭✭

    Mass DNA change to be be able to tolerate the alien invasion

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******

    Yes. It has been known that the virus itself may induce heart issues in some. Part of the problem is that the vax increases the likelihood you get the virus. https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/study-finds-gradual-increase-in-covid-infection-risk-after-second-vaccine-dose/

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    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭

    It must be human nature for two people to read the same study and draw two different conclusions. Not just you and I, but people in general.

    I read the study and interpret it to mean that the second virus dose decreases in efficiency over time so they were pushing a booster as being the solution. Not that the vaccine increases the chances of infection.

    I could understand why some folks after getting the vaccine might ignore basic common sense like washing their hands or avoiding contact with sick people so an increase in infections might actually happen. That wouldn't be the fault of the vaccine. It would be the fault of the erroneous claims initially made about the vaccines by Fauci and all of the politicians that pushed it. Remember the claims that said you wouldn't catch the virus if you were vaccinated? Or in all likelihood, a lot of folks are to stupid to know that the vaccine is more of a treatment and not a preventative even after months of that being told daily by the medical profession.

    Personally, I don't wear masks, do wash my hands a bit more often and avoid folks with cold and flu symptoms. I don't want a cold or the flu either. For the most part, I don't give catching covid much thought. If my rudimentary precautions aren't sufficient, I guess I'll probably catch it sooner or later. I did choose to get vaxxed, so "maybe" that'll help with symptoms. I'm through worrying about it. Just out of curiosity I still would like to know if the vaccine dangers are true or not. Not out of worry, more for the pleasure of gaining actual knowledge about a subject. Bob

  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,664 ✭✭✭✭

    Everybody that trusts the Federal Government, its bureaucrats, the words from the CDC and Dr. Fauci when it comes to the truth in disclosing Covid 19's origins, the effectiveness of paper masks and the safety of the so-called vaccines for it please tell us why you have this trust.

  • KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭

    A 21 year old Student/Athlete (Linebacker) at the Air Force Academy, just dropped dead going to class, this morning/afternoon. ("Medical Emergency.) You can bet (per Military requirement) they were forced to get the Vaccine. No choice. Welcome to Amerika Comrade.

    Too many previously healthy people (Pilots) etc, experiencing Health problems shortly after getting the jab. The information is out there if you read between the lines and ignore MSM.

    A RNA Vaccine, where the manufacturers are indemnified of any wrong doing, rushed to market, bypassing existing protocols. (After) We were all lied to about the origins of this Bio-weapon that got loose. (Where) Quite a few of the Elite are making major $$. (Including Faucci.) [They should hang his butt.]

    Personally, I think I will take a big PASS on that Hot Mess.

  • Lady Rae Lady Rae Member Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭✭

    We just had a friend die of the jab... Before he died he got to Stanford and they said that's why he was so sick 😱🙏 Travis is greatly missed.

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  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭✭

    Ok. Like I said, VAERS validity has NEVER been questioned until now...when it doesnt suit their narative.

    No, VAERS is not PROOF but it has been well established as scientifically valid, until cov vac that is. WHY?

    If you want straight facts, I suggest you browse through the many videos by Dr Campbell. I suggest Rumble, because dummytube removes videos if you mention the vax can even POSSIBLY cause death.

    Dr Campbell takes govt data and reads it straight from the source and peer reviewed data. He has VERY little personal input, for fear of being banned.

    He was actually FOR the cov vax, until the data PROVED it was ineffective at best, and deadly at worst. He has taken both doses and one booster. He said he will NOT take any more.

    Some vids of interest for you would orob be the "excess deaths" videos he makes. He shows how many people are dying in excess of the 5 year average, and they DO differentiate between covid and non covid, so that takes into account the pandemic.

    AND again, to each their own. If you CHOSE to take a vax then Im all for it. BUT no one should be forced

  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭

    I've run across Campbell before in my searches. I am not exactly sure how much credence to give his videos. For one thing his PHD (doctorate) seems to be in nursing. His PHD was awarded for his work in remote/video training of nurses. There is nothing wrong with that, but it can be misleading calling him doctor in a health related video. I would feel more comfortable if he was a licensed physician or epidemiologist that was educated in interpreting some of the information he is passing on in his videos. So, I am not comfortable accepting his conclusions as there are to many other real physicians that call those conclusions into question. He may be right but until those conclusions are confirmed by someone with a more appropriate background, I'll take those conclusions with a grain of salt.

    I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to taking the vaccine should be a choice and not forced on anyone. Bob

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******
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    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Butchdog2Butchdog2 Member Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭✭

    More to follow!

  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭✭

    I read this earlier today and almost posted the link to illustrate why getting to the bottom of this vaccine good/bad is so hard. In this article it says there has been no evidence of a problem from multiple sources but they are going to check anyway. It also says that there may be a link to cardio events from the vaccine and then say that the virus and other ailments cause the same thing and those cases may be more severe. Kind a of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

    Since this link gave really no evidence of a problem and actually gave evidence to the contrary, it was no help at all. Like I said the other day, I'll keep looking but so far no luck. Bob

  • mike55mike55 Member Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭✭

    Ok. So basically your saying that any evidence against the vaccine is NOT good enough "proof" for you. Thats ok, I tried to help.

    Dr John Campbell reads FACTS straight from government websites, oeer5 reviewed studies, and other credible sources. He is simply showing all this information in an easy to find video so someone doesnt gave to search for them. He includes links to ALL his information. If thats not good enough, then nothing will be good enough.

    Just sayin'

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,184 ******

    Some folks just trust big pharma and the government a whole lot more than I.

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    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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