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Not Guilty- All Charges

montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 57,375 ******
edited June 29 in General Discussion


  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 65,902 ******
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Lady Rae Lady Rae Member Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭

    Like Uvalde, there was lack of real training and when the rubber meets the road they couldn't handle the situation.

    I think you would have to be a retired Navy seal or a CIA agent to make the right decision.

    "Independence Now, Independence Forever."

    John Adams

  • JunkballerJunkballer Member Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭✭

    He didn't want to lose that $102,000 pension he was near drawing that he's now endowed with. He had little to no training for what could happen and what was expected of him when and if the SHTF, if he was trained, then someone certainly hired the wrong guy for that position.

    "Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee

  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 16,600 ✭✭✭✭

    I just really can't fathom NOT doing something. Yea as I said before I am not a keyboard commando but having grandchildren it puts a perspective for me, yea, I can't let that happen and having been armed I would have to go, if I die,,,,at least I tried.

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 13,869 ✭✭✭✭

    I think many or most of us here would be "Run to" types rather than "Hide from". Specific training or not.

    The ruling met the law. It was the man who failed.

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • Wild TurkeyWild Turkey Member Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭✭

    This incident reveals the weakness of the "security officer" in school idea.

    I'm a retired teacher and Army Reserve officer, which creates a strong dichotomy of how I would react to a shooting situation at school. As a teacher my first responsibility is to make sure my students are safe, which means my "run to . . ." reaction would have to be suppressed until they had been secured.

    Asked about arming teachers I had two problems: first, as noted above, my first responsibility is to my student's safety. Second--if students knew I was "armed" there would be a lot of curiosity about the gun and possibly some attempts to get it which could lead to lots of problems.

    When I was teaching the "school security officers" were off-duty deputies, etc. but their training was in violent offender response and dealing with disruptive students was not something they were trained for.

    So we are faced with trying to meet two different types of problems with one type of "officer" which has had some big problems in the past.

    The man who was hired for one job wasn't trained/prepared for the situation he faced. He will have to live with that, but the administrators who decided what they wanted in a security officer need to be reminded that they failed big time and bear some of the responsibility for the outcome.

  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,001 ✭✭✭✭

    If he were half a man he would kill himself.

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