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Big 3 UAW strike

WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,777 ✭✭✭✭
edited September 16 in General Discussion

The big 3 offered a package that included a 20% pay raise.

Unions walked out. Demanding 40% increase over 4 years.

I’ll watch it closely for sure.



  • austin20austin20 Member Posts: 33,473 ✭✭✭✭

    Glad I bought my new truck yesterday

  • austin20austin20 Member Posts: 33,473 ✭✭✭✭
  • 4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭✭

    Most of the liberal professors at the institutions of higher learning say we need more unions. Excuse me, pretty soon no one will be able to afford a new vehicle let alone pay the shipping on a firearm purchase. Thankfully, i have a like new truck. -----------Ray

  • BobJudyBobJudy Member Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭✭

    I listened to Geriatric Joe the other day say that the Big 3 weren't sharing enough of the profits with the workers. I wonder if he knows about the record breaking profit sharing checks given out to the union members?

    "This yr, Stellantis staff will get a median of $14,760, General Motors staff will get a median of $12,750 and Ford staff will get a median of $9,176. The Stellantis and GM payouts are report highs."

    I realize they probably don't compare to his 10% for the big guy checks, but they ain't nothing to sneeze at. Bob

  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 16,483 ✭✭✭✭

    Government sending billions to them, the Big 3 for electric autos for their agenda. What if that spicket is turned off? If the Repubs ever take back anything it might then out to drift on the open sea.

  • dunbarboyzdunbarboyz Member Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭✭

    40 to 70K for a half ton pick up now. What will the prices be when the strike is settled? My father retired from GM and told me I did good buying my first Nissan.

  • Kevin_LKevin_L Member Posts: 946 ✭✭✭✭

    That's 70 dollars a pound!!!! I'm not paying that!!!

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." 🍺 🇺🇲 🍔

  • 4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭✭

    In 1969 I paid $15,300 for my house. It is now accessed for $392,000. Mostly blood and sweat improvements. Just got school tax bill for $4,000. Total taxes over $7,000. Would be closer to $10,000 were I not a veteran.

    Three years ago my 2020 Ram listed for $66,000. Wonder what this truck list for today?

    Not a financial genius or expert on inflation but i know something just not right here.

    Have lived in my house 54 years. In 2074 wonder what this 54 year old Ram will be worth because i darn sure won't be able to afford another one.--------------------------Ray

  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭

    I quit buying UAW products 20 years ago and have absolutely no regrets.

  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,453 ✭✭✭✭

    I bet the dealerships will gladly add another $10K to MSRP on these vehicles during the shutdown. Just like they did during Co-vid.

  • austin20austin20 Member Posts: 33,473 ✭✭✭✭

    The politicians like to say they will bring back manufacturing jobs from other countries but the truth is more manufacturing jobs have been lost due to automation than anything else.

    1.     Many Manufacturing Jobs Have Become Automated

    Manufacturing jobs are on the decline because there is more automation in the industry every year. Technology has helped make manufacturers much more efficient in producing products. However, because technology has made things more efficient, there are fewer jobs in the field. With the help of automation, one person can do a job that may have required multiple workers in the past.

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17

    Robots get no wages, no overtime, no vacation, no medical, no retirement, and never go on strike.

    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 38,782 ***** Forums Admin

    Yep, they're coming whether the workers strike or not, so they might as well get while the gettin's good.

  • austin20austin20 Member Posts: 33,473 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17

    And electric vehicles require far fewer workers to assemble/build. But those are the vehicles politicians are pushing for as they campaign saying they are for the worker 🧐

  • buddybbuddyb Member Posts: 5,084 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17

    Here in the south if you even said the word union you would be fired.Nothing struck fear in textile mill owners than the thought of having to pay a living wage. Now all the textile mills have gone to third world countries.

  • arraflipperarraflipper Member Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭

    A big pay raise doesn't do much for them when the jobs are moved out of the country! Talk about a way to get more Chinese vehicles brought into the country, strike. Who in their right mind would ask for a 42% raise, plus work 32 hours get paid for 40 hours.

  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 20,077 ✭✭✭

    Will they get paid for a year when biden shuts the country down for 2024 election?

  • Kevin_LKevin_L Member Posts: 946 ✭✭✭✭

    You get a 'LOL' for that but with the "funny, not funny" caveat.

    Unions are a thing of the past. They were needed 100+ years ago when corporations truly took advantage of people. These days, that doesn't happen here largely because there's so little manufacturing in America but also because companies and facilities can't hide their atrocities anymore. Information (and disinformation) is everywhere and immediate. And social media is better representation than the UAW. Cheaper, too.

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." 🍺 🇺🇲 🍔

  • 4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭✭

    Kevin, my sweetheart Diane was Office Administrator in Dean's office and former Secretary for Dean at West Point. She never joined the Union. Years ago they had a employee that was trouble with a capitol "T". Darn near killed my wife for two years. It takes almost a Act of God to get rid of or lateral transfer a member of Civil Service Employee's Union.

    After the Army and a short stint as a machinist I worked for the Association of Graduates, USMA for 41 years. They treated me with respect and I was so fortunate and proud to work for them. If they did not like my performance, they would have kicked me out the door. Never once felt like I needed a Union to protect me. I was not a Civil Service Employee.---------------Ray

  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 34,884 ✭✭✭✭

    I grew up on the north side of Atlanta. Just down the road was the huge GM plant, GM Assembly Doraville. Must have had 8,000 employees, ran 24 and 7 putting those cars together. Half the students at my high school, Chamblee, had an uncle or father who worked there. Of course the plant was 100 percent UAW.

    In 1986 I knew a guy who worked at the plant. Jeff was a rarity in those days, he was a computer expert. He worked 9 to 5, five days a week. He was an outside consultant and was about the only employee there who not in the UAW.

    One day, Jeff told me that management had just installed two, 55 gallon drums at the main entrance. He said that the employees were out in the parking lot getting drunk at lunch, and they were throwing the empty Budweiser cans, and the empty pint bottles of Jack Daniels, onto the parking lot. Jeff said it really made a mess when someone ran over the glass bottle, and some guys were getting flat tires. Management would appreciate if they threw the empty booze containers into the 55 gallon drums.

    I had heard stories of UAW abuse while I was in high school, but that the union would protect workers who got drunk was unimaginable. Jeff swore it was true.

    In 2008, GM Assembly Doraville closed down. The gigantic building, and it covered 2 or 3-hundred acres, was bulldozed.

  • 4205raymond4205raymond Member Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 22

    Allen, never knew, good read. Sounds like the Ford Plant in Mawah. Some of the employee's use to work at the machine shop that I worked at to make ends meet during layoffs or strikes. One UAW worker in particular told my foreman he would not do production work because he was skilled labor. My foreman showed him the door. Mawah is long gone just like Doraville. -------------Ray

  • KenK/84BravoKenK/84Bravo Member Posts: 11,003 ✭✭✭✭

    I worked at Utility Trailer for about 5 years. #1 Tractor Trailer, Trailer in the USA. 5 plants, working full speed. (With a 6th one in Mexico up and running now.) They had more proposed Jobs/prospective Contracts than they could fill.

    Very, very fast paced work environment. Tractor Trailer, Trailer assembly lines. We were expected to finish/complete (on average) 21 Trailers per shift. 2 lines, 3 shifts. 10,500 Trailers in one year at our plant. (Broke the record.)

    Anyway, No Unions. Even mentioning one would get you "walked out." 2 Foreman walk you out in front of the entire line with all your tools and you are gone. Very difficult place to work. People would drop or "get walked out," like flies. They made it very clear every single day, "You don't like it here, leave. We get 30 applications a day." (And) They did, but people quit like crazy, once they saw what they had to do and fast they had to do it. They (Corporate) put on a very good "Show," about "Safety," but it was all show. When it came right down to it, it was all about Line Speed. It was running so fast, it was unsafe.

    We would work 6 day shifts and "Hour early, Hour Late" endlessly. Burnt people out big time. Paid well, (but) Personally (and others as well) wanted a Home Life, not "Living to Work."

    One OT Sat. A bunch of Welders were caught out in the Parking lot at lunch drinking. Big Brew Ha Ha, the whole line knew about it almost instantly. Almost anyone else would have been fired on the spot. (We had a lot of random Drug and Alcohol tests also.) Lot's of people got fired. Since the plant REALLY needed Welders, they were given a couple days off and all returned. The rest of us were pissed.

    I filed a couple OSHA reports about some un-safe practices, had a big target on my back, from that day forward. It was only a matter of time. They moved me to the most difficult area/job of the Plant to work and I received "extra attention." I put up with it for about 2-3 weeks and finally went to HR and threatened to file suit, for "Retaliation for OSHA reporting un-safe issues." They about had a cow and put me back in my old job/area. (But) It was only a matter of time. They wanted me gone for being an intelligent "trouble maker."

    Extreme NE TN/W NC ya'll. 😁

  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 34,884 ✭✭✭✭

    Here's some UAW boys at the Chrysler Plant in Detroit having a liquid lunch:

  • austin20austin20 Member Posts: 33,473 ✭✭✭✭

    There is a liquor store near one of the plants here in Louisville and at one time it was supposedly the top selling retail outlet for half pints in the entire county.

  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,128 ✭✭✭✭

    Some of my pals and I at work would joke that we could judge the state of the economy by the brand of empty booze bottles in the parking lot.

    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 65,596 ******

    The UAW demands are hilarious. 32 hr work week for 40 hr pay? LMAO.

    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 34,884 ✭✭✭✭

    The jobs I have had, you wouldn't want a quart of beer at lunch. Loading 105 hay bales, 95 pounds each onto a flatbed truck, in Idaho, and then unloading at the barn. Two of us put a thousand a day in the barn. Twelve hour day.

    Right down the road a few miles from where the UAW was tossing beer cans in the parking lot, in Atlanta, we were framing up a 3-story apartment building. You are walking that top plate, 3 1/2 inches wide, 30 feet off the ground, if you drank a quart of malt liquor at lunch you would get killed.

    I guess you can get away with it in an auto plant.

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