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not into wildcat rounds...........
hillbille
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but was sorting some brass I got in a box deal with a lot of reloading stuff. in a gallon baggie of 270 brass was some 22-250 brass and one live round, it was 308 brass necked down to I would say 22 caliber? anyone have any idea what it might be, it seemed to be full length 308 case just necked down with a long 22 caliber bullet???? I am guessing it is 22 caliber as I didn't mick it just compared it by eyeball to the 22-250 cases........
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22 Souper or 22 Cheetah?
22 Cheetah?
.22-243 Middlestead?
thanks bob and neo, I think you two hit the nail on the head, the brass is stamped 308, and after a short google search sounds like the cheeta round. strange there was only one round in the bag and no other 308's in the baggie. may have just been something that got thrown in the bag from this old fellows reloading bench. I bought two big boxes from a guy who said it was his father in laws and he didn't reload and wanted to get rid of it........
I have always just stuck to the standard stuff and even waited a few years on any new varations before considering getting a gun to use it
Not that I will ever face such a problem in my life
but as a kid I remember dreaming about such hunts but also reading a article
Said if your going on a hunt especially in the boonies stick to popular and well established rounds its easy to find s box of 30-06 any where in the world (at that time)
Not taking your super duper hibird wis bang gun and ammo combo and having to find replacement ammo if yous gets lost or used up at that point all you have is a expensive club
I’ve seen the 308 case used for 7mm, 6.5mm, 6mm and believe I did read or hear about it being necked down to 22 caliber once. But I have often wondered why no one has ever tried necking it down to 25 caliber. Maybe they have and I just never heard about it.
ditch I got into this one year with my 8mm mauser! got to the cabin and only had 3 rounds in the box I grabbed. the two local shops didn't have any 8mm ammo so I had to drive back to town over hour away the night before season started.........
Three is all you really need. One to clear the barrel, one to get the range, and one to kill the deer!
The 25-08 or 25 souper has been around since the 50's. Workable as a varmit to medium size game animal cartridge. Similar to .257 bob
Only one I participate in is 25/45 Sharps and it’s Sammi spec
Waltermoe, I have a .25-308. Did at least one article on it. It's a delightful round. It matches almost exactly the case capacity and performance of the 250 Ackley - which old P.O. himself said was maybe his best creation. If the .308 had been around when he developed his 250, I'm sure it's what he would have used.
RockRaab, that’s interesting. I always thought that it might have been the lack of bullet selection in the 25 caliber selection of bullets compared to the even greater selection with other calibers that might have held it back on its development. If you don’t mind me asking, did you have it custom made with a particular bullet weight in mind?
I did not have a specific bullet in mind. What I actually wanted was a nice bolt 250 Savage, but couldn't find one for years. Had a spare Rem 788 in .308 in the safe, and did some research. Then thought, "What the heck..."
The 788 isn't the strongest action out there, so I never pushed my loads to the .25-308's full potential. Ended up with something with just a bit more oomph than a 250 and am delighted with it.
It will take a coyote apart with 85 Ballistic Tips, and is perfect on deer with 100s. Is it materially different than a .243? Not really. But anybody can have a 243. There's a certain mystique about quarter-bores.
You can now get a 6mm, a factory 6.5, and a 7 on the .308 case. The differences are incremental - and small. The .25 fits in there and fills only one niche: that of owning something something you can't buy.
BTW, I used 7-08 brass to make my 25 Souper rounds, NEVER with .243. My reasoning was that if a round got lost, somebody might see the 7-08 headstamp and shoot it. That wouldn't cause any headaches - the bullet would rattle down the bore.
BUT, if I lost a .25-308 with a 243 headstamp... well...It MIGHT go in, but it sure would be sporty going out.
I love my 243. With Barnes 85 grain tipped bullets it is beyond deadly on deer and anything smaller.
I have heard that the 243/06 is the bomb!! Way past the 243.
If I was 30-40 years younger I just might try and find out how good the 243/06 is!!
I'd advise against it. The regular .243 is known to be a bit touchy with certain bullet/powder combinations, creating pressure spikes. There comes a point in case capacity versus bore diameter where you simply can't funnel all that gas down the hole fast enough. Read that story posted above. That one was due to the wrong powder, but all powders burn faster and faster as pressure rises. Once you pass a tipping point, it's kabloooie.
When you hear that the 06/243 is "the bomb" it may not be a metaphor.
I pieced together a 6.5/06 a few years back. For the reason Rocky stated above, I made brass from 270 Win. cases. Many people use 25/06 brass for this. I thought that would be unwise.
I never built a wildcat Carthage combination of my own idea, however when the 223 WSSM came out I bought a Winchester mdl. 70 in that chambering. I looked at the idea of it as this might be an excellent modern day varmint cartridge. The biggest problem I found was as stated above, you’re burning a lot of powder, creating a lot a pressure and you’re working with a small bore diameter. This makes it very hard to regulate a consistent balance of pressure and velocity. Not to mention the incredible heat generated at the throat.
When I was able to find reloading information on this cartridge in the sixth edition of Hornady’s reloading manual, they said after 350 rounds there was significant barrel erosion. I called them and talked to one of their engineers at the time, and he said they noticed erosion after 150 rounds. Definitely a barrel burner.
But with all interests/hobbies experimenting and learning is what makes it enjoyable and worth while.
A gunsmith friend of mine once made up his version of the .30/40...
A 40mm Bofors anti-aircraft case necked to .30-caliber. Told folks it could hit the moon, but was good for only one shot per barrel.