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How where you treated when you came home?

WorkingzombieWorkingzombie Member Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
edited January 2008 in US Military Veteran Forum
I heard some pretty nasty stories on how guys returning from 'nam
were treated when they came off the plane at the airports. Did any of you guys go through any of this jeering or being called baby-killers?

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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
  • Smoky14Smoky14 Member Posts: 531 ✭✭✭
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    As soon as I hit the Frisco airport. Later by my wife during my divorce.
    Ah those were the days[xx(]
    Smoky
  • nc huntrnc huntr Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    We landed in San Fran some time after midnight. and the protester was there.
  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    Stuff happens. I am sure many of those people our our elected officals today. PC works what ever time you are in. My 2 cents [8D]
  • Dak To 68Dak To 68 Member Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The first day I was actually home I was driving and came across an accident scene. There were quite a few police at the scene. Two of them were directing traffic around the wreck and I thought the one was waving his flashlight for me to go around to the left. Well I was wrong. The other one jumed in front of my car yelling and raising hell. I stop , get out of the car, and the other one comes up behind me and whacks me upside the head with his flashlight. Two more join them, cuff me, throw me in the back of a squad car and proceed to threaten me and read me the riot act. Then they go about the business of the accident and leave me in the cop car. After about 15 minutes one comes back, uncuffs me, tells me I'm lucky they don't run my * in, and lets me go!!
  • AdironduckAdironduck Member Posts: 314 ✭✭✭
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    I arrived in San Francisco,from Nam,on a thursday.The next day I flew home on a 30 leave.The anti-war crowd had called for a nation wide demonstration against the war on that saturday,which included driving around with your headlites on during the day.I stopped my car at an intersection in my home town when a woman pulled up beside me.With all of the venom anyone could produce she proceeded to scream at me something like"What's wrong with you are you stupid?Don't you support our boys in Vietnam?Turn your headlites on".Now the irony of that was mind boggling to me.Less than 72 hours before,I was in Vietnam.I knew she was not speaking for me and I knew she was not speaking for my buddies who were still back there.I have never forgotten that.
  • bobskibobski Member Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    unloaded cruise boxes, checked into the barrack, had some chow, unloaded cruise boxes, started working on jets again. never left base. just another day. walked to the hanger, lived on base.
    Retired Naval Aviation
    Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
    Former NSSA All American
    Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
    MO, CT, VA.
  • BlckhrnBlckhrn Member Posts: 5,136
    edited November -1
    A guy a couple years older than me with an interest in drafting came to visit my mechanical drawing HS class between tours. He sat there completely politely, even after the liberal instructor asked him, "So, how long did it take you to learn to like killing people?" Then he quietly got up and left. IIRC, he didn't come back from that tour.

    Later he idiot instructor bought a 350 Honda. I was riding one at the time. He asked me why he couldn't kick start it as the kick starter didn't engage the crank. I told him he bought a lemon. He probably was holding the clutch in but I didn't care. He was also one of the driver ed teachers.

    I might have gone there if I'd gotten my parents to sign off on me at 17. Not that I asked or not to say that I wanted to. I stayed in school because dropouts were getting drafted. My older brother and I both got high numbers.

    If anyone recalls the US back then, every night the news showed about 15 or 20 minutes of the war. At least it seemed that way. Every night there were body counts, so many from the north, so many VC,so many from the south, so many GI's. The media didn't seem as biased then as they do now although "editorializing," as my dad called it did occur. A lot of coverage was dedicated to protests, too. From my pov, Kent State was, and still is, almost surrealistic. Hell, a cop can't even give chase in this era under certain circumstances and the Guard was fighting beer bottles with M16's.

    I really thought for many years after the war that some good had come from it, that a government "of by and for the people" had been restablished. I doubted the logic of Nixon when he sold the contents of Fort Knox, justified Watergate as merely the tactics of politics. I don't think the term, "National debt" had been conceived then. Now, allowing for a "government" that can curb spending to first stop contributing to it, we will be generations digging ourselves from underneath it.

    But I digress, did I believe in the VN war? No, not from where I stood. Did I respect those who fought there? Highly. As an RN I am beginning to see veterans from WWII, Korea and Vietnam. I recently had the ombined honor and misfortune of trying to the best of my abilities and doctor's orders to ease the death of a Vietnam Silver Star recipient in his last days as he succumbed to mesothelioma, a painful disease for which I understand there is no cure. This hero existed for days on a narcotic drip that would kill anyone here in an hour. At times he would call out the names of the men in his squad that he rescued to earn his medal. He fought his disease, medications and death heroically, and was in and out of his bed to the end, the most reasonable and non violent resistive patient I expect to ever know. Once a hero, always a hero.

    Not, by any means, that this thread is about me, but I have lived my life since this war half grateful that I didn't experience it and half remorseful by the same logic. I have wondered why, after a couple failed attempts at higher education, my current profession came so easily to me. Maybe, in this post, I have found the reason. Maybe my contribution to the VN war is yet to come.

    I am getting to the point in the workplace where I can, knowing a man's birthdate and diagnosis, assess a vet and the war he served in with little difficulty. The tattoos are a giveaway to the branch. When another nurse complains for one reason or another about one I have the distinct pleasure of reminding her that this patient is a hero. My own father landed at Normandy beach. To him and all here, I would like to say, Thank you.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Although I dont belong on this forum being a WW 2 Infantry vet, (rifleman), those of us comming home later (due to being single, wihtout the 12 "extra returning home points for being married" were not welcomed with bands, greetings, or anything. First, the ships garbage was taken off, then us while waited and waited for the garbage to go off. Not a cup of coffee or a doughnut. Yes, the big Times Square NY celibration
    on VJ day was great for those in the States, mostly those never being overseas in wartime. The first batch were were warmly welcomed, and the next batch welcomed, by that time it got old. Finally it was, "my God, how many more are comming home"? Seems like it got old quite quickly. We didnt care, we were home and alive and that was all that counted. We recieved our "mustering out pay" and were out usually within 4 days. We recieved the G.I. Bill benefits which were never promised on enlistment and went back to our lives.
  • lbgent47lbgent47 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
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  • River RatRiver Rat Member Posts: 9,022
    edited November -1
    By mid-1973, when I got home (after turning thd lights out upon leaving), military had pretty much figured out how to blend in among the population and disappear. Too bad -- I was kinda proud of my sailor suit. But I went out and came back by ship, with a 30-day through Travis AFB, so didn't have to go through a civilian airport like SF. Even a side trip through Japan was in civilian clothes.

    I like the divorce quote above, and would like to "Amen" that. Another thread could ask how many divorces followed return.
  • divecopdivecop Member Posts: 778 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    yes, I got asked all the stupid questions about killing babies and
    civilians. I mostly just turned and walked away because I knew I wouldn't win if I lost my temper and wound up in prison.
  • peted55peted55 Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    left upcountry thailand thanksgiving day 69. jeered in frisco by protesters. snowed in chicago. froze in phila. traveled in 1505,s(AF) and scounged a blue class a overcoat out of lost and found. gripeed out by a senior type a for being out of uniform.

    got home found the girlfrind and headed for the local park at o dark thirty and was arrested by local pd for trespassing. finally ran into a ww 11 vet who took pity and released me.
    think i had 10 turkey dinners that day.
  • gunsdensgunsdens Member Posts: 83 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was discharged from USMC after 4 years as a GRUNT on 7/23/73 and I immediately applied for a job. The interviewer was a real gentleman. For my military info, I just listed basic info entry date, discharge date, unit and MOS. Well this guy comes back over to me and says I want you to describe your activities and so forth. I listed some more basic nomenclature. This went on back and forth for over an hour. Finally, he came back over and said "I want you specify exactly what you did. I was pretty pissed by now and knew the guy was being a real gentleman. I wrote "Lived in a hole in the ground and at night went out and killed people". I DIDN'T GET THE FRIGGIN JOB.
  • snakeatersnakeater Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
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    Got back after 28 months in country in Nov. 1967 Was called every vile name you can think of. People would throw garbage at me when I was off base in uniform.
    Still pi$$ed off today. Served my country, was wounded a couple times, spent a short time as a POW of the freaking Gooks just so the protestors could enjoy their freedom. Never got any help from the VA for all the medical probelms I've had, Never once did I hear "Thank you: for serving. Never got any respect.

    They can all kiss my *!! [:(!]
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    As I have posted in other places here, I was a United States Merchant Marine Academy Cadet 1971-1975. In 1971, on my first liberty, around Thanksgiving, I had never seen much of New York City (even though I had been there as a Cadet since July). I was required to wear my Navy Uniform while on Liberty... I took off on my own, and explored the city.

    While walking through Central Park (I know it is stupid to have done so, IF I was aware of the general attitude, but I had had ZERO access to TV for the period June - November, and darn little time to listen even to the radio) - I was spat upon, had garbage thrown at me, hordes of grungy scarecrow/ragamuffins walking backwards in front of me, faces all screwed up, full of rage, throwing epithets, cursing me, asking me if I was/taunting me with "Baby-Killer" & "NAZI", "stooge", and so on. My Uniform was damaged - cost me some demerits/restrictions when I got back, and money I had very little of to fix the problems. I was attacked several times on the buses around the city, and waitresses would ignore me... it was pretty bad. I was barely out of High School, and not yet anything but a Naval Midshipman, and they were attacking me! All because of my uniform.

    I had come from the Deep South, and they still had some respect for Servicemen when I left for the Academy, but on my first Liberty, it was a whole different world in NY. I didn't go out much on Liberty after that. Didn't go out in public till about a year later, after first Sea Voyages, after I was a Third Classman, able to wear Civvies out the Gate. I was/am proud of my service, but it was simply impossible to go out in Uniform into the civilian environment. I could handle myself, 6'5", 260, football player, 20 years old - I didn't want to get in trouble for hurting someone who attacked me, and I wasn't sure I could handle multiple simultaneous attacks, even if it was from a bunch of drug-dazed skanky scumbag hippie types.

    When I finally got home to my family in California in 1972, November, they kinda kept me busy with family and close friends types of activities, and I travelled to and from in civvies. I still got a lot of looks from the skanks, cause I still had a Military haircut and bearing. Much as I wanted to lash out, I couldn't, cause all it would take was some publicity, and I would get thrown out of the Academy. I just had to take whatever they threw at me, avoid fights, and so on.

    The only way I was going to get a College education was through the Academy, and I was not going to risk that.

    After I graduated (1975) things were beginning to calm down, and I only had a few bar-fights here and there. I let it all out then - great therapy. I'm well-adjusted now, and (heh) so are they.

    The thing that was so telling was that those who were heaping insults, and goading me wouldn't have stood a chance even at two or three to one to us Cadets, but they were attacking the uniform, not me - they didn't know that at that time, I hadn't even gone over there, and wasn't a forward soldier, and all they knew was a sort of "group hate" - unthinking, unfeeling, uncaring - just opposite to the things they professed to be. I saw them for what they were.
    It was some good lessons - aided me in all my adult life.

    Libs, "Anti-War" types, Socialists/Commie-lovers, "Progressives", ain't worth the powder to blow them to hell, ain't worth my time, and sure are a waste of good air.
  • Mr. GunzMr. Gunz Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As far as i'm concerned a Vet protester is one of the lowest forms of life
  • spooksterspookster Member Posts: 513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can remembr my dad stepping off the plane in elmira NY in 67 and they through everthing at the soldiers when they came off the plane,,,,Of course my question then,,,and now ,,,,WHY ??
    JUST A SHAME,,,,I AM GLAD THE CICVILIAN OUTLOOK SEEMS BETTER 40 YRS LATER,,,but thaty image is burned in my mind,,,by the way he is 72 now !!
  • Ndn OutlawNdn Outlaw Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was treated worse by some family members than by any protesters.I came in thru Ft Ord and not a civilian airport.Protesters could not get on the base let alone the tarmac.All the veterans outreach oatmeal over the years has not helped with anything,but my Harley Davidson Motorsickle has made all the difference.
    Many years ago,I married one of those protestors.She had her job and I had mine.Respecting one anothers view point goes a long way.
  • needmygunsneedmyguns Member Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hi all im only 40 years old but i have seen alot of real life footage of veitnam,and i have upmost respect for you guys.great job and welcome home.to hell with the protester jerks you guys faced.you guys are the best..
  • Ndn OutlawNdn Outlaw Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A lot of those Vets became protesters after returning including myself.I EARNED the right to protest that BS war.So do not call me a protester jerk because you obviously do not know what you are talking about.
  • needmygunsneedmyguns Member Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    OK WHAT I MEANT WAS PEOPLE WH0 GAVE PEOPLE THAT CAME BACK A BUNCH OF CRAP,I DONT MEAN THE WAR YES THE WAR WAS BULLSHEET I KNOW THAT,I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE VETS COMING HOME.AFTER RISKING IT ALL AND THEN BEING DISRESPECTED.THATS WHAT I MEAN..
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,057 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Reading the posts....noticed Blkhrn is there....I'm pretty sad now[:(]
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  • Salvage33Salvage33 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I didn't have it as tough as a lot of guys that were in country. Flew off a carrier, but when time was up, flew into SF. Usual bunch of long hairs yelling stuff. One took it a bit further, and spit on me. Dropped him, and as he was going down, he yelled "POLICE." Spent four hours in precinct house, then they drove me to TI. Upon returning home, I went back to college. Not many rabble rousers on campus, a few students and some of the young adjunct faculty with 2-S classification. Was told by one of them I was too stupid to pass his algebra course, I just needed to go ahead and enlist and go to Vietnam. We had a "find Jesus" meeting after class. Let's just say that he saw the light, and my 5-A classification trumped his 2-S. [;)]

    After graduating, missed out on five jobs I was perfect for due to my military service, much like gunsdens experiences. Finally went to work for a Fortune 50 company, and the guy I interviewed with was ex-Army, WWII and Korea.

    My worst experience was when a friend wanted me to join the VFW. Took me to their "hut" and while having drinks, he introduced me to some of the guys there, all WWII types. One of them, after the introduction, asked "what war were you in?" Told him Vietnam. He said, "Oh, that is the one you guys lost." I finished my drink, told my buddy adios. Do not belong to the VFW or the American Legion, and I get at least five requests from each a year.

    John
  • VTBIGGUYVTBIGGUY Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
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    I have to tell you...I came back in 1965, landed in California, flew to Vermont in uniform and never ran into anyone who objected to me being a soldier. We are sort of at the end of the road up here on the Canadian border and I have kept my HOR here for twenty odd years and returned off and on for R and R and eventually retired here. Never once did I face an anti-war sentiment. Lately however I have noted a half dozen or so 'sixtys' leftovers holding up Iraq anti-war signs in the town square on the week ends. I guess it just takes awhile for those things to come this far out. Actually when I hear some of the horror stories other veterans had to face, I consider myself very lucky.

    Jim Bowers
  • WyoStillhunterWyoStillhunter Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
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    I served a thirteen month tour with the 7th Marines in '68 - '69. I had four months active duty left on my two year enlistment when I returned to Camp Pendleton in October 1969. After a full week of processing I traveled home to Missouri, wearing my uniform for the last time.

    As a returning Viet Vet I was basically ignored. In 2004 at my 40th class reunion I heard "Thanks for serving" for the first time in 35 years.
  • 32 Magnum32 Magnum Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was in country from May 69 'til June 70, Army Security Agency. Flew to Travis on an Continental flight out of Tan Son Nhut. When we were wheels up, every GI on board cheered, and most of us got teary eyed. Landed at Travis, went to the Repo Depot, was issued a set of Khakis and some ribbons, told to wear the uniform on the way home for military stand-by discount air fare. Bunch of protestors outside Oakland repo depot and outside Oakland airport. bleen 'em, they don't mean a thing. Got on the plane to Philly - not one person said a damn word to me during the six hour flight, including the stewardesses. Everybody else on the plane got served drinks and dinner before I did. Got off the plane in Philly, ran into a bunch of NUGS on their way to Oakland, told them to keep their heads down and not to volunteer for any God damned thing. Parents picked me up outside the Philly airport, drove me home - not a word was said during the hour and a half ride home. That night, my Dad had arranged for my friends and their girl friends to come over to our house for a party. I got drunk as hell. I didn't have much to say to anybody, I no longer knew them and they sure as hell didn't know me. When they left, my Dad and I had a talk, he was a WW2 Combat vet from the Pacific campaigns. I cried like a baby for about two hours before I passed out. Next morning I got up, went downstairs for breakfast, my Dad handed me a Martini, and my youngest sister popped a party popper behind me, I turned around and knocked her out with one punch. Went back upstairs to my room and stayed there most of that day. That night went out to a bar with a couple of my friends, where we met more of my friends and highschool buddies - everybody wanted to know how it felt to kill some one. Couldn't tell them poop, they wouldn't understand, got drunk - got in a fight with the bouncer (who I knew from highschool) and knocked him out - then apologized and tried to buy him a drink - he wouldn't take it - cops came and escorted me out of the bar. Next couple weeks were more of the same - everyone was different, nobody was the same - or maybe it was me that was different. 28 days later I reported to Fort Riley, and finally felt comfortable again being around guys back from RVN. 37 years later - I've finally started finding some peace - I gave in and went to the local VA outpatient clinic - after friends and buddies had been urging me to do so for a couple years. I've joined a group of Viet Vets, we meet every week. I'm at home with these guys, we laugh, we cry, we * and moan but we know each other. There is a comaraderie amongst veterans that far excedes any relationship that civilians can ever know. "For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a different flavor than it does for the Protected". I enlisted during a time of high protest - I bucked the trend, I dropped out of college and gave up my 2S deferment to fight for my country. Sometimes I feel like I bleened up doing so, but then I realize I wouldn't give up any of the experiences that I otherwise wouldn't have had, for anything that would have happened during those 4 years of service. For me, and for every veteran, before, during ans since, there is no going back and there is no way to recoup that which we gave up, but there is also no way we, any of us, would give up that which we experienced. God bless our fallen brothers. May God have mercy on our souls.
  • bullet makerbullet maker Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
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    Reading the above post, brought back alot of memories to me. I returned back to the states from Nam in 1967, landing at Oakland. As soon as we headed across the Tarmack to the airport, we were greeted by a lot of newscrews, and large crowds of hippies, gathered around their leader (Timothy O`leary)standing around in the airport, laughing at us, and handing out flowers. Yeah I remember it like it was yesterday, and it seems impossible that it was actually 40 years ago. As we entered the airport, this want to be guru O`leary, shouted in a loud boasterious voice, (WELL LOOK AT THE BABY KILLERS, THEY ALL HAVE SMILES ON THEIR FACES, I GUESS THEY LIKE KILLING BABY`S). Now at this point my blood was boiling, and I could tale that the newscrew`s had the camera`s rolling, filming us, and to see our reaction.
    I turned to the guys behind me and shouted, (LETS, KICK SOME *). At that I headed for the high and mighty Timothy O`leary. His concubines, and other sheep followers around him, quickly gave way. I had the kind of hate in me, that they had never seen before. They were scared stiff, like they smoked a bad, bag of dope, and they couldnt get their money back. I had flipped out.
    I was 30 ft from Timothy O`leary, and closing fast. I knew that the other soldiers, behind me, didnt come, but I didnt care. I was in a dead run for the coward, and had murder in a slow and painful way for this turd. The MP`s tackled me 5ft from my objective. I was able to spit in his face. Once the MP`s had me handcuffed, and he (Timothy Oleary) safe, then he started his boisterous hollering again. (SEE I TOLD YOU THEY WERE KILLERS).
    I don`t know if I made the 5 oclock news that day. I dont remember much. The MP`S Let me go, and put me on a plane to Okla, where I live to this day. I was guarded the whole while I was there, cause they knew I would get him.
    I`ve let the anger go, (it don`t mean a thing). It took me along time, but I`ve forgiven all of them. But everytime I see a demonstration, against our troops, the dark side of me starts awakening again, and I think to myself, when the war by the Taliban starts over here in America, where will the protesters be then?
    Get ready my friends, ----it`s coming.

    bullet maker
  • two98ZJstwo98ZJs Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
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    Interesting; I registered to reply to this topic. Came thru Travis
    mid '66 after doing full tour in country, in & outside of the
    wire. Flew eastward on Delta, meals were being passed and I was ask
    by the kind attendant if I was hungry. Yes! always. Back then 'stand
    -bys' were not counted-in for meals. I was offered two meals. I
    realize that was before the countrie's attitude change storm. Finally
    made it to Elmira/Horseheads NY. Worked with WestingHouse for
    two years and lived about a mile from the Elmira/BigFlats Airport
    in '67. Could see the main runway from my patio back door. My fatherN
    law flew for CorningGlass and their planes out of that airport to
    Boston every day. I was able to fly w/him many times and not once do
    we recall of civil rude disorder in '67. If there was ever two troops deplane'g from the same flight at that airport, was rare.
    Very conservative community. At the time, many WWll & Korean
    Vets were living their American dream in which I worked with. The
    next year, WoodStock happen north of us. Yes, 'spat-AT' did
    occur in a lot of those pi$$Holes and when it happen in the extreme
    radical college towns, we vets 'spat-at' back, 'Spat-ON', did it
    really happen? I went on to TxInstruments in Hou for 30 years.
    In '69 we were designing and machining the new SmartBomb warhead
    parts, in a building 10 feet from the public walk. No spitters there
    all thru the war with the building 10 feet from the public sidewalk.
    Dallas TI site caught the noise. It did depend on where one
    was. Most of the country supported the troops and disliked the Gov
    actions. Too bad the troops had to be channeled thru the pi$$holes.
    And if one went looking for it, different story. Very depressing
    time.... '68, I did receive a standby recall notice back to active.
    It didn't come.
  • 30 Characters30 Characters Member Posts: 32
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    1967.......Came home and flew to Newark airport in my class A uniform and the plane happened to arrive a little early. I was waiting for my Mom to pick me up curbside when this dirty looking hippie-dippy girl walked up to me, looked at me with blatant hatred and called me a pig....Now that's a unique welcome home I thought!

    On a brighter side, an older gentleman standing a few feet away saw and heard the exchange. After she left obviously pleased with her protest against the Vietnam war, he walked over, shook my hand and thanked me for my service. Found out he was a ex-Marine who served in WWII. To this day,his face I remember, her face I don't.
  • MMOMEQ-55MMOMEQ-55 Member Posts: 13,134
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    Landed in LAX, walking thru the airport (in uniform) and some fag puke hippie called me all kinds of names. Tried to understand why he had so much hatred for me then I said the heck with it and slammed him to the floor. Spent 30 days in psych ward for that little lost of my control (OK I did a little more than slam him to the floor).

    My new CO at Lejune, on the record chewed my butt out. Off record he shook my hand.
  • navyeodnavyeod Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was navy eod, diving demolition and bomb disposal. Served active duty 65-70. Two tours in vietnam 68-69 got out as an e-6. Did my tours back to back with a 30 day leave in between. My father had lost a pair of prescription sunglasses over the side of a fishing boat five months before I came home. He asked me if I thought I could find them in Lake Seminole in Florida. He said he really marked the spot well from two points on land. he was only about twenty yards from the shore but the water depth was around 20 feet. I told him it would be iffy but I would try if he would rent the tanks. My father nor me had much money but he said he would rent the equipment which would be around 25 bucks. The glasses cost him a little over 50. We went to a dive shop in Tallahassee Florida. I want to say "buddys" but not sure of that. (40 years ago). I showed the owner my next orders to vietnam, showing that I was a diver and bomb disposal expert. He refused to rent me tanks because I had not been to a civilian diving course. I really got mad, and he must have seen my eyes and that I was on the edge, as he backed down, when I told him, "you gotta be kidding me". I got the tanks, and by the grace of God found those sunglasses. When I hit the bottom at twenty feet it was strewn with downed trees and limbs and zero visablility. I just started feeling with my hands in the silt, knowing this was futile, but hating to waste my fathers money. Daggum if by the grace of God all of a sudden I felt something that felt like glasses. i came to the surface and sure enough they were sunglasses, the boat hull hid me from my father when I surfaced. I hid the glasses and told my father while still in the water this was futile, told him about the bottom and the visability. He said, very disappointed, thanks anyway, then I pulled the glasses out of the water and said is this them? His eyes lit up. I can still see, my long dead fathers eyes and I can still see that jerk in the dive shop. I thank God he gave me the tanks to rent because I dont know what was coming next. I got out of the service and went back to Florida State to finish my degree. I was treated as if I started and enjoyed the war by students and professors there. Not even one member of my family ever thanked me for serving there, including my now exwife. It was 15 years later that I heard my first thanks, and then it made little difference. Glad I served, but glad I will not serve again. My heart is with those who have served and do so today. We each owe our part, and we each share a bond that noone can understand. But we each have paid our price. God bless you all, and Merry Christmas. david[:D][:D][:D][:D]
  • br549br549 Member Posts: 1,024
    edited November -1
    not very well.
  • MMOMEQ-55MMOMEQ-55 Member Posts: 13,134
    edited November -1
    navyeod, Had similar story as yours. I got my scuba badge at San Diego out on the island. I was a E-6 Marine Force Recon. Had all my paperwork and the * wouldn't rent me tanks so I bought my own. Then he wouldn't fill them. He sold me my tanks but would not fill them. He finally agreed to let me take the final test that he gave in his scuba classes and if I passed he would give me my certification. Heck I knew more than he did.

    In 1974 I was on the USS Okinawa LPH. I got the opporitunity to dive on the anchor with the ships EOD. Great bunch of guys. A little crazy so I fit right in with them. I found it funny, Marines and Navy would fight like cats and dogs but let someone else mess with one or the other and it would be Navy and Marines fighting together. We could pick on the Navy but hell forbid if the Army or Airforce mess with a sailor and the Marines would be there along side the sailor. The sailors would do the same for Marines. Like brothers, they would fight among themselfs but let someone else mess with them and they were right in the middle of it side by side.[8D]

    Oh by the way it wasn't until Desert Storm that someone thank me for VN.
  • victorxyzvictorxyz Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i served in thailand 69/70. when i returned one of my old girlfriends
    called me a baby killer and said i spoke w/ a funny accent. just to show you how out of tuned everyone one was during that crazy time.i carried a m-14 one time and that was on payroll duty. yet i was a baby killerrrrrrrrrrrrr
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