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Viet Vet Designation?

sarcap1sarcap1 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
edited September 2009 in US Military Veteran Forum
I volunteered for the AF in 1963. Following basic I was assigned to AF Security Police Tech.Training. My first orders after tech school was to Pakistan. Medical problems prevented my going. I was then assigned to a SAC bomb wing in the Security police unitl After arriving I encountered other medical problems that resulted in my being assigned as a medic to the flight surgeon's office. Two years after this assignment I received orders to to to Nam. Again medical problems prevented me from being sent and I received a medical exam that said I was unfit for further service and I received an honorable discharge-medically related. Since then I have had difficulty in stating that I was a "Viet vet but the VA has designated my status as a Viet vet. Basically my position was in support of B-52 Nukes and KC-135 tankers. Our units flew "Chrome Domes" (Nuke armed B-52's)24/7 for the entire time I was on my home base. This was 1963 thru 1966. Some of our units were involved in the Cambodia and Laos action before it became public knowledge. Each time I visit the VA hospital I feel inferior to those veterans were in-country and suffered serious injuries or disability. In my later years I have experienced emotional problems equating my years of service with those who made the ultimate sacrifice. I am proud of my service to this great country and many of those listed on the Vietnam wall were friends, some from my unit who were sent to "Nam."
I would like to resolve this emotional conflict but know that only my peers who were actually incountry can help. I would be interested in hearing how my peers view my level of service and whether I should not be reluctant in stating that I am a Vietnam vet.[8]

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  • ltcdotyltcdoty Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A lot of people served around the world during the Vietnam War, and never set foot in Southeast Asia...luck of the draw[:)] You are not a Vietnam Vet...you are a Vietnam Era Vet...it is what it is, don't waste your time dwelling on it, life is too short...I was in the Air Force from 1968 to 1972, aircraft electrician, spent most my time in England....do I miss not serving in Vietnam? No Way! Do I have the greatest respect for all the men and women that did? Absolutely! They have earned the title " Vietnam Vet " , so I think I can live with being called a Vietnam Era Vet..though I actually don't think about it that much[:)]
  • elubsmeelubsme Member Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Doty is absolutely right. If you never touched ground, you are a V.N. era vet. We had no control over where we were sent. Although I did volunteer for my 2nd tour. At our age, we have more important things to worry about. What medals are listed on your DD 214? Nam vets are placed in Class 6 for medical treatment due to our contact with agent orange. I signed up last February at the V.A. hospital in Reno, Nevada. I was totally shocked at the condition of a lot of the patients there. All gave some, some gave all. Eddie
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by elubsme
    All gave some, some gave all.

    and some are still giving![V]
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,471 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yup. If you'll forgive a sports analogy, it's like being on a team that won the SuperBowl before you got hired. You can legitimately say you played for a SuperBowl Champion team, but you cannot claim to be a SuperBowl Champion.

    VietNam Era Veteran is honorable and admirable. You can be proud of it, and you are a brother. That's plenty in my book. Crisp salute.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • Old-ColtsOld-Colts Member Posts: 22,697 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As others have said, the accurate classification would be Vietnam Era Veteran. You had no control over where you served and when called to serve you served honorably and without question. You should stop having any remorse about where you did or did not serve or what you did or did not do. Thank you very much for your service to our country; from, for what it's worth, a Vietnam Veteran that only set foot on Vietnam soil when we couldn't return to the carrier!

    If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!

  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Richard...... I agree with all the previous posts. You are a "Vietnam Era" Veteran. I think unless you set foot in country you should not claim to be a "Vietnam Vet".

    I spent a year in the jungles of that country in an Infantry unit.... The 4th Infantry Division in the Central Highlands. Nearly got killed a bunch of times and killed some enemy in the process.

    I will never forget my time there. It changed me, but I still dont know how.

    You should be proud of your service to the USA no matter where you were stationed. Your still a brother veteran to me.
  • BergtrefferBergtreffer Member Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yep, Viet-era vet. I was in the Army 62-65, posted in northern Japan for the last two years. I volunteered for Nam but they would not send me because I was too close to end of enlistment. I got out of the Army in 65, did four years college, then hired on with a leading spy agency and they sent me to Nam. I was a USG spy-civ in Nam and evacuated in April 1975 on the last fixed wing to fly out of Ton Son Nhut/Saigon. Flew over a ARVN-North Vietnamese tank battle raging right on the end of the freakin' runway. I was there as a civ spy guy, but that does not make me a military veteran. The military has strict specifications on what is necessary to qualify for a Vietnam medal.

    However, you need to let it go. There are plenty of Navy guys who floated around on ships off-shore, and then got shore leave to visit the city and PX. Because they set foot in Vietnam they get a medal and they're vets. I knew some Army officers who cobbled up "fact finding" trips to Nam, just so they could cherry pick a Nam medal. They never got their shoes (never mind boots) dirty. [xx(]

    What I am saying is, it is a lot more honest to be truthful about it all, and play with the cards that were dealt. I personally know several Navy guys who got a Nam medal because they visited the PX, and I know several ex-Army officers who cherry picked a Nam medal. There are no bragging rights in any of that, and I have no respect for it.
  • pingjockeypingjockey Member Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Soldiers and Marines, I want you to know that I have the greatest
    respect for all of you that were in the mud there.
    I do feel that I must come to the defense of my fellow sailors stationed off the coast though. Comments make it sound like the
    sailors were just there to use the px when good men were killed
    during flight ops and other operations along the coast. I can't imagine the carnage many of you experienced, and thank God that I can't. I'm just saying that
    some gave it all without ever touching the ground. Salute!!
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Was on a Poker run this last weekend. It ended at a Bar. Since I've stopped drinking I was hanging around out side waiting for the results.

    Guy see's my Bike and asks where was I at over there. Well I was in from 74-94. There are a lot of overtheres in that period of time. So I asked him where. He says VN. Should have seen the look on his face when I said I was too young for that.

    If I'm right only 2 guys from my platoon in Bootcamp got sent over. By the time I was done with schools it was Oct 74 by then not very many Marines got sent over. Most were coming home by then.
  • wolfeccwolfecc Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    IF YOU RECEIVED THE VIETNAM SERVICE MEDAL, VIETNAM CAMPAIGN MEDAL, THEN YOU ARE CONSIDERED A VIETNAM VET. YOU DID NOT NEED TO SET FOOT IN VIETNAM, BUT WOULD HAVE BEEN STATIONED IN THAILAND, LAOS, OR CAMBODIAN SERVICE. MANY OF THE PILOTS, BROWN RIVER NAVY AND AIRFORCE NEVER SAW DUTY IN NAM, BUT WERE DIRECTLY EFFECTED AND SUPPORTED THE TROOPS IN COUNTRY. VA HAS JUST LOST A CASE INVOLVING BROWN WATER NAVY AND AGENT ORANGE. MCCAIN WAS NEVER IN SOUTH NAM,JUST THE NORTH. WE WERE/ARE THE STEPCHILDREN OF THAT WAR. DET 5, 38TH AIR RESCUE, AIRBORNE RESCUEMAN, NEVER IN THE SOUTH, BUT OVER 250 INTERCEPTS OF FIGHTERS ETC ON EMERGENCY. CHECK OU THE TLC BROTHERHOOD. WARS NEVER OVER, NOT IN OUR MINDS. WELCOME HOME. DAN
  • chaneydchaneyd Member Posts: 56 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What about John McCain? Fighter pilot, POW. He was recently re-classified as a Vietnam Era vet because the rules were changed. You had to have set foot south of the DMZ which would place you in South Vientam. That in itself is an atrocity.
  • korsakovkorsakov Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dnelson457
    Was on a Poker run this last weekend. It ended at a Bar. Since I've stopped drinking I was hanging around out side waiting for the results.

    Guy see's my Bike and asks where was I at over there. Well I was in from 74-94. There are a lot of overtheres in that period of time. So I asked him where. He says VN. Should have seen the look on his face when I said I was too young for that.

    If I'm right only 2 guys from my platoon in Bootcamp got sent over. By the time I was done with schools it was Oct 74 by then not very many Marines got sent over. Most were coming home by then.


    My recollection is troop withdrawal for USMC started in late 71 or early 72. If you hadn't finished the tour you went to Laos, Thailand, Phillipines or Japan before rotating back to CONUS.
  • chaneydchaneyd Member Posts: 56 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    April 30, 1971 - The last U.S. Marine combat units depart Vietnam.

    August 23, 1972 - The last U.S. combat troops depart Vietnam

    November 30, 1972 - American troop withdrawal from Vietnam is completed, although there are still 16,000 Army advisors and administrators remaining to assist South Vietnam's military forces.

    January 27, 1973 - The last American soldier to die in combat in Vietnam, Lt. Col. William B. Nolde.

    March 29, 1973 - The last remaining American troops withdraw from Vietnam.

    April 30, 1975 - At 8:35 a.m., the last Americans, ten Marines from the embassy, depart Saigon.
  • Overly HackledOverly Hackled Member Posts: 9 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Very interesting thread. Funny I just got registered to the site and my first two posts are about what happened 40 years ago !LOL.
    I served in both the Brown water and deep water Navy,Spent from Oct of 69 to Oct 70 with PBR division 594 up around the Cambodian boarder at several ATSB .Did 202 missions as the bow gunner between twin 50's. Survived that and ended upon a carrier the in the Indian Ocean on an old angel deck converted WWII flattop CVS 14 .Doing anti sub warfare games. Sweet duty after the Brown Water tour onteh small canales up along the Cambodian boarder.
    My brother was on the on the Bonny Dick an attack carrier in the Gulf of Tonkin in 68-69. Spent most of his time in After Steering ,below the waterline in a small watertight compartment .That was his general Quarters station during flight ops when they were launching fighters and fighter bombers going over to Nam.

    Any of you Blue water sailors who did line duty in the Gulf on flat tops, tin cans , or supply ships ,oilers or what ever sure as hell are VIETNAM VETERANS both by character of service and by formal recognition of the US navy .You earned both the Vietnam Service and Vietnam campaign medals.
    Been a long time ago now but from my perspective having seen both the Brown and Blue water Navy those men serving in the Gulf had it just as rough as many "In country" vets back in the Rear with the Beer and the Gear had it.Not every one serving in Nam was in a Leg ,Track ,rr Force Recon unit. Some never left the AC of a hootch or the bar at the Officers club in Saigon. .Good for them!
    Bottom line for me is that all of us ,both the men and the women who put on the uniform back in those very uncertain and trying years can stand tall and be very proud we stepped up when others chose to step back .

    Believe it or not we are still to close to that time for many to realize just how much the young men and women that served really sacrificed. Just wearing the uniform back then was an act of courage.
    Some day history will record correctly what it meant to stand tall in a uniform of teh USA in those years.
    Until then I'm damn proud to be part of the crew that served .............where ever that was.

    I'm going to go look at guns now !!:)
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