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Hanoi Jane. Traitor or Not ?
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OK people, Is Hanoi Jane still a traitor? My opinion , once a traitor always a traitor.
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If Jane was not a traitor, then neither was Benedict Arnold. And yes, she still is because she does not regret what she did and said. Her recent statements on Iraq are no different.
I am deeply concerned that by giving her a "pass" for her actions in North VN, as well as her statements, we have eroded patriotism in this country. The opposite of patriotism is treason.
Paint that SOB Kerry with the same brush. What he did is worse, because he was previously in uniform. He turned on his brothers.
Fonda may not be giving aid and comfort to the enemy this time, but she is still a traitor!
IMHO, by protesting in the manner in which she is currently doing, she is providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Doncha think Al Jazeera may have some coverage on the protest?
It would appear that she's trying to appeal to a new generation of peace-niks and apparently forgot the hate so many of us have for her.
I had the pleasure of calling her a Commie C--T to her face when she was in New Hampshire filming with her father, (On golden Pond). I never did see that movie!
YOU BET.
She opposed the war. Fine. That's her right. That she caused POWs to endure torture by her actions is inexcusable. That was going far beyond her rights and deep into traitorous territory.
No matter how many regrets she professes, no matter how many crocodile tears she sheds, she was and always will be a traitor.
quote:Originally posted by Ironrifle
Fonda may not be giving aid and comfort to the enemy this time, but she is still a traitor!
IMHO, by protesting in the manner in which she is currently doing, she is providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Doncha think Al Jazeera may have some coverage on the protest?
You got that right and I still think Hanoi Jane belongs in prison for treason.
2/1 cav 68-69
God Bless Chesty Puller
No matter where she goes.......no matter how she acts.......no matter what tactic she tries.
When she passes on the one thing she will be remembered for will be "Hanoi Jane". Nothing will change that or the stigma that goes with it....Laughed at by the North Vietnamese, despised by the USA. Helluva way to live.........Tass
OK people, Is Hanoi Jane still a traitor? My opinion , once a traitor always a traitor.
Agreed![V]
I think those of us who were actually in Vietnam at the time of her visit have a special contempt for her!
On our 1972-73 cruise there was a sailor in Air Ops who would draw a Snoopy cartoon on the Air Plan for the day and it would capture an event from the previous day's operations. Just after Jane's departure from Vietnam his cartoon depicted Snoopy flying his bomb laden Dog House with, from my fading memory, the caption "Jane, after coming and departing unscathed, surely you must realize we don't bomb dykes"! During that time the US was being accused, by Jane and others, of intentionally bombing Dams (dikes), Rice Paddies, and destroying farms.
A booklet was put together at the end of the cruise with all the Air Plans and their cartoons. I've got a copy packed away somewhere and I need to find it. The memories depicted in those Air Plans are priceless, but some still bring tears!
I, too, don't watch anything with her in it!
If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!
Clinton hid from one.
We dirtied our uniforms, which is the opposite from disgracing them. Kerry wouldn't know the difference.
We wore the uniform of loyal people, not a uniform of traitorous ones.
Not so with Fonda.
Gary Lewis, the son of comedian Jerry Lewis, had a band called 'The Playboys', and produced a number of hits, such as 'This Diamond Ring'. At the top, he cashed out the band, joined the Army, and went to Viet Nam. When asked why he did it, Gary replied "Because I didn't feel that I was any better than anyone else". And Gary became an object of Hollywood's contempt. The truth is, he put people like Fonda (and Kerry, and Clinton), elitists all, to everlasting shame, and the self-inflated ones knew that it showed.
I don't think we can expect the slimebags to turn into Gary Lewises, any more than they can expect us to turn into Fondas or Kerrys.
SHE WAS A TRAITOR..!!
In Memory of
my brother-in-law
LT. C. Thomsen Wieland
who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton
She really was a Traitor
IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED
ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS
SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!
She really was a traitor
A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS& nbsp; AMERICA
This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
'100 Women of the Century.'
BY BARBRA WALTERS
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the ' Hanoi Hilton.'
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane
treatment' he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda,
was clubbed and was dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant 's feet which
sent that officer berserk
In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision
(which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was 'missing in action'.
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
got word to the world that they were alive
and still survived..
Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand..
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and
'Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?'
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.
Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam , and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year
in a 'black box' in Hanoi .
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)
We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals.'
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.
I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
'humane and lenient.'
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released.
I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.
These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.'
Lest we forget...
' 100 Years of Great Women'
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.
There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.
RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343
Okay, found it:
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
I would have liked to reformat it to full justification but didn't find anyway to do that. Maybe there is a formating button missing on the Gunbroker window.[?]
OK people, Is Hanoi Jane still a traitor? My opinion , once a traitor always a traitor.
It is like i seen on a bumper sticker WE WILL FORGIVE HANOI JANE WHEN THE JEWS FORGIVE ADOLPH HITLER!!!!
Hell yea, she's a traitor. What a question!!
The producers were very understanding and I have worked with them since.
Chris H-B
www.chrishb.com