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with Gulf War Syndrome...some of this stuff is getting hard to deal with. I'm looking for anything that might help. Someone today told me to go to the local farm supply and buy some Oxytetracylcline (sp?)...and that it had helped clear up most of one person's problems. Anyone heard of this.?.? There has to be something out there that can help treat our problems...
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It is an antibiotic and I do not know how long a person is suppost to take it or anything.
Capt. Joyce Riely is were I heard this from on radio talk show that have delt with the subject.
As far a natural stuff I renenber hearing of stuff that help treat symptoms but nothing to help permanent. I do not remember which stuff it is but I remember looking once and all the things were super expencive and I just could not afford to take the stuff like thet claimed it should be taken as it would have cost nearly $30 a day for all the stuff from the natural medicines stores (which was the only place that carried the stuff.
I'll dig through my paper work to try to find all the info for you. But it may take awhile because I think it is burried out in my shed.
* Melatonin 3-6 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (mild)
* Valerian (variable dosing) duration 3-4 hours (mild)
* 5 Hydroxy-tryptophan 50-200 mg before bed (serotonin precursor; may help depression; mild )
* Amitryptiline 5-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed, or another tricyclic antidepressant
* Trazodone 25-200 mg (mild antidepressant, may cause priapism so I avoid in males)
* Neurontin 100-800mg (also helps with pain)
* Cyclobenzaprine 5-20 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hrs, muscle relaxant)
* Ambien 5-10 mg 15 minutes before bed (duration 4-10 hrs, too strong for some patients, may disorient them; acts suddenly)
* Remeron 15-30 mg (causes weight gain so reserve for those underweight, is an antidepressant)
* Benzodiazepines (for short-term use; helpful if anxiety a problem; use benzodiazepines with a short half-life in those who are weak or may fall)
http://www.anthraxvaccine.org/gulfwartreatment.htm
* Benadryl 25-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hours; makes the occasional person feel "wired")
* Melatonin 3-6 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (mild)
* Valerian (variable dosing) duration 3-4 hours (mild)
* 5 Hydroxy-tryptophan 50-200 mg before bed (serotonin precursor; may help depression; mild )
* Amitryptiline 5-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed, or another tricyclic antidepressant
* Trazodone 25-200 mg (mild antidepressant, may cause priapism so I avoid in males)
* Neurontin 100-800mg (also helps with pain)
* Cyclobenzaprine 5-20 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hrs, muscle relaxant)
* Ambien 5-10 mg 15 minutes before bed (duration 4-10 hrs, too strong for some patients, may disorient them; acts suddenly)
* Remeron 15-30 mg (causes weight gain so reserve for those underweight, is an antidepressant)
* Benzodiazepines (for short-term use; helpful if anxiety a problem; use benzodiazepines with a short half-life in those who are weak or may fall)
http://www.anthraxvaccine.org/gulfwartreatment.htm
Those are all perscription (most of them I have been on at one time or another in the last 16 years), he was asking about natural remedies like you might get at GNC or some other health store.
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
* Benadryl 25-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hours; makes the occasional person feel �wired�)
* Melatonin 3-6 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (mild)
* Valerian (variable dosing) duration 3-4 hours (mild)
* 5 Hydroxy-tryptophan 50-200 mg before bed (serotonin precursor; may help depression; mild )
* Amitryptiline 5-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed, or another tricyclic antidepressant
* Trazodone 25-200 mg (mild antidepressant, may cause priapism so I avoid in males)
* Neurontin 100-800mg (also helps with pain)
* Cyclobenzaprine 5-20 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hrs, muscle relaxant)
* Ambien 5-10 mg 15 minutes before bed (duration 4-10 hrs, too strong for some patients, may disorient them; acts suddenly)
* Remeron 15-30 mg (causes weight gain so reserve for those underweight, is an antidepressant)
* Benzodiazepines (for short-term use; helpful if anxiety a problem; use benzodiazepines with a short half-life in those who are weak or may fall)
http://www.anthraxvaccine.org/gulfwartreatment.htm
Those are all perscription (most of them I have been on at one time or another in the last 16 years), he was asking about natural remedies like you might get at GNC or some other health store.
oh [:p]
quote:Originally posted by *_r_done
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
* Benadryl 25-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hours; makes the occasional person feel �wired�)
* Melatonin 3-6 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (mild)
* Valerian (variable dosing) duration 3-4 hours (mild)
* 5 Hydroxy-tryptophan 50-200 mg before bed (serotonin precursor; may help depression; mild )
* Amitryptiline 5-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed, or another tricyclic antidepressant
* Trazodone 25-200 mg (mild antidepressant, may cause priapism so I avoid in males)
* Neurontin 100-800mg (also helps with pain)
* Cyclobenzaprine 5-20 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hrs, muscle relaxant)
* Ambien 5-10 mg 15 minutes before bed (duration 4-10 hrs, too strong for some patients, may disorient them; acts suddenly)
* Remeron 15-30 mg (causes weight gain so reserve for those underweight, is an antidepressant)
* Benzodiazepines (for short-term use; helpful if anxiety a problem; use benzodiazepines with a short half-life in those who are weak or may fall)
http://www.anthraxvaccine.org/gulfwartreatment.htm
Those are all perscription (most of them I have been on at one time or another in the last 16 years), he was asking about natural remedies like you might get at GNC or some other health store.
oh [:p]
Thanks for the effort though Jacob...I've been on so many prescriptions in the past 15 years that I could literally start a pharmacy...I did not take most of them. The VA just wants to dope you up.
Hi everyone, this is my 1st post since joining this forum. I am a Desert Storm Veteran also. And I came home sick like so many others. I was lucky enough to find a product that actually helped me and is not a drug. It is called Biochoice Immune26. It is a supplement. The only way to get it is to order it through the company, which is Legacy For Life out of Florida. I am not a distributor for it. I just know it wirked for me. there is also a Dr in Detroit that was using it for his Gulf War patients. His name is DR Gregory Forestall. It's for sure worth checking out. It worked wonders for me.
Thank you Ronbo! I am looking for anything that can help...
The only thing I have ever heard of that supposedly helps is doxycycline. I have yet to find a doctor who will perscrib it to me.
It is an antibiotic and I do not know how long a person is suppost to take it or anything.
Capt. Joyce Riely is were I heard this from on radio talk show that have delt with the subject.
As far a natural stuff I renenber hearing of stuff that help treat symptoms but nothing to help permanent. I do not remember which stuff it is but I remember looking once and all the things were super expencive and I just could not afford to take the stuff like thet claimed it should be taken as it would have cost nearly $30 a day for all the stuff from the natural medicines stores (which was the only place that carried the stuff.
I'll dig through my paper work to try to find all the info for you. But it may take awhile because I think it is burried out in my shed.
This was from results of testing done by a DR Nicholson (can't remember 1st name) His daughter came back sick. It was actually spread from her to one of their pets that died. I believe it was the 1st disease found that could be transferred from a human to an animal. Dr Nicholson's research was being funded by Ross Perot. Last I heard, I think he was in TX.
One other thing, if you are having a lot of pain is to make sure you have your calcium levels checked. I had "hyperparathyroid". My parathyroids got all screwed up and were pulling the calcium out of my bones and teeth and depositing it in my blood. If your calcium level gets to 15, it is determined to be critical. I got up to 14.3. A parathyroid is about the size of a grain of rice and you have 4-6 of then located in your neck area. All of mine had shut down except for one. when they found it, it was about the size of a walnut and was working way too much overtime, trying to compensate for the others. Don't know if it was caused by DU dust or what happened. Maybe, maybe the shots, maybe just a combination of everything. I was also in the Kamisiyah area, being a combat engineer, so who knows.
This is something I will have to look into, b/c my teeth are falling out and brittle too...perhaps the lack of calcium is why.
quote:Originally posted by *_r_done
The only thing I have ever heard of that supposedly helps is doxycycline. I have yet to find a doctor who will perscrib it to me.
It is an antibiotic and I do not know how long a person is suppost to take it or anything.
Capt. Joyce Riely is were I heard this from on radio talk show that have delt with the subject.
As far a natural stuff I renenber hearing of stuff that help treat symptoms but nothing to help permanent. I do not remember which stuff it is but I remember looking once and all the things were super expencive and I just could not afford to take the stuff like thet claimed it should be taken as it would have cost nearly $30 a day for all the stuff from the natural medicines stores (which was the only place that carried the stuff.
I'll dig through my paper work to try to find all the info for you. But it may take awhile because I think it is burried out in my shed.
This was from results of testing done by a DR Nicholson (can't remember 1st name) His daughter came back sick. It was actually spread from her to one of their pets that died. I believe it was the 1st disease found that could be transferred from a human to an animal. Dr Nicholson's research was being funded by Ross Perot. Last I heard, I think he was in TX.
Not 100% sure, but I believe his name was DR Garth Nicholson?
quote:Originally posted by Ronbo
One other thing, if you are having a lot of pain is to make sure you have your calcium levels checked. I had "hyperparathyroid". My parathyroids got all screwed up and were pulling the calcium out of my bones and teeth and depositing it in my blood. If your calcium level gets to 15, it is determined to be critical. I got up to 14.3. A parathyroid is about the size of a grain of rice and you have 4-6 of then located in your neck area. All of mine had shut down except for one. when they found it, it was about the size of a walnut and was working way too much overtime, trying to compensate for the others. Don't know if it was caused by DU dust or what happened. Maybe, maybe the shots, maybe just a combination of everything. I was also in the Kamisiyah area, being a combat engineer, so who knows.
This is something I will have to look into, b/c my teeth are falling out and brittle too...perhaps the lack of calcium is why.
I have lost several teeth myself. They were whole teeth that just fell out for no aparent reason.
Even the cure can make your teeth fall out.
If your not afraid to think out of the box, I would suggest Accupuncture, it is another form of Holistic health and has been working for thousands of years. Be sure you go to someone who really knows what they are doing. They should take you off all of the pharmacudical drugs and put you on herbal meds. The problem with perscription meds is that they work on one thing and destroy another, so you never get well and the pharmacudical companies get rich.
Pipe7, I could not agree more...the problem is that most of the folks who've gotten to the point we are at can no longer afford alternative medicine...10 years ago I could have paid for it...and I did...
www.fda.gov/cder/warn/cyber/2002/CFSANbiochoice.htm
Try these:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-clove.html
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-betelnut.html
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-zinc.html
Interesting read on that BioChoice ""supplement""
www.fda.gov/cder/warn/cyber/2002/CFSANbiochoice.htm
Try these:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-clove.html
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-betelnut.html
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-zinc.html
This has happened before. someone put up a website making claims that they are not allowed to by law. a supplement can not claim in anyway whatsoever that it can/will cure any kind of illness. The FDA also was crying about some folks having websites that had testimonials on them.
Folks, I don't realyy care what the FDA or any Dr says. This stuff works, plain and simple. It is not a drug, you can not overdose on it, and you can take it with any medications you are currently on. The only negative side to it is the fact that you should no take it if you are allergic to eggs. If you want to research it more, check out DR Gregory Forstall in Michigan. He was the chief dr at the disease prevention center in Detroit. He wa actually prescribing biochoice to his patients that were/are Gulf War Veterans.
PS: I am not a distributor, I just researched this very thoroughly before I started on it and know that it does work.
My b-i-l just died last year from skin cancer, pretty sure it was agent orange or whatever else they were using over there. He was in Vietnam 2 tours.
read this:
www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/military_sarin_gulfwar_070525w/
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/
2004, 2 Americans get contaminated with Sarin yet again...this time from a 155mm artillery piece rigged as a road side bomb.
From what I've read about Sarin exposure, avoid all pesticides for the rest of your life.
ECC,
read this:
www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/military_sarin_gulfwar_070525w/
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/
2004, 2 Americans get contaminated with Sarin yet again...this time from a 155mm artillery piece rigged as a road side bomb.
From what I've read about Sarin exposure, avoid all pesticides for the rest of your life.
Obiwan...It's very funny you should mention this!!! I have clearly noted, and mentioned to other people that I seem to be VERY sensitive to pesticide exposure!
ECC,
read this:
www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/military_sarin_gulfwar_070525w/
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/
2004, 2 Americans get contaminated with Sarin yet again...this time from a 155mm artillery piece rigged as a road side bomb.
From what I've read about Sarin exposure, avoid all pesticides for the rest of your life.
Thanks for the links! My wife is sitting here shaking her head b/c I cannot even tollerate mild indoor pesticides.
http://www.acupuncture.com/newsletters/m_feb08/TCM and Asthma.htm
Hope this helps.
Tried accupuncture?
http://www.acupuncture.com/newsletters/m_feb08/TCM and Asthma.htm
Hope this helps.
Doc...I have tried Acupuncture and it works...but it's extremely expensive...in the DC area it was $300-$500 a visit.
it works...but it's extremely expensive...in the DC area it was $300-$500 a visit.
$500 a visit? Wow!!! Maybe I'm working in the wrong geographical area.
You could train yourself or your wife in accupressure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupressure
http://www.acupressure.com/articles/introacu.htm
http://www.beatcfs.info/accpress.htm
quote:Originally posted by ECC
it works...but it's extremely expensive...in the DC area it was $300-$500 a visit.
$500 a visit? Wow!!! Maybe I'm working in the wrong geographical area.
You could train yourself or your wife in accupressure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupressure
http://www.acupressure.com/articles/introacu.htm
http://www.beatcfs.info/accpress.htm
Thanks for the info Doc! I had quite a bit of acupuncture done back east. It was traditional Japanese acupuncture. That little Japanese girl did something that gave me an erection every time I was in there...and she would giggle and talk about it in Japanese to another girl there. It was involuntary, so it had to have something to do with the way she put those needles, glass suction cups, etc on me...[^] I always got real cold during the session, but afterwards I felt a lot better...more energy, healthier, etc.
Original Poster: You need to find a second opinion on the VA's dime, or your own insurance. I would highly suggest going through a D.O. (check your state's licensing board for D.O.'s in your area)
RE: below copied post, I would NEVER lay out such a treatment regimen for gulf war syndrome or ptsd. You're using so many depressants and habit forming meds, it is completely unethical to prescribe or recommend all of this.
Trazadone is POISION to anyone with PTSD and (unfortunately) is handed out like candy because it is cheap. It is far too long lasting in its lethargic side effects to be of any use to the patient. All I've ever seen it used for is to keep someone slow and alive until they die. This is the WORST medication I've ever seen.
Any multiple Benzos (especially two or three different ones) should be eliminated, save ONE (maybe) for anxiety.
Melatonin and Valerian are homeopathics that won't assist ambien. Ambien will overpower the other two and just leave you with altered blood chemistry or something strange that is unnecessary.
The short term effects of the benzodiazepines would leave the patient waking up in the middle of the night with a withdrawal symptom. Troubles sleeping are better handled with sleep therapy, use of the ILP (independent Living Program) in the VA to purchase a bed for you, and physical activity. The bupropion will assist you with energy and if you're up and about more (which "fortressing" or sitting around is another problem factor in PTSD and Depression), and then you don't have to worry about the horrible withdrawal from Ambien when you're off treatment.
Remember the KISS principal? How about the one that says "treat the problem not the symptom"? I took an oath to do no harm, and it should be the same one your VA doc took, although it sounds like he / she is not concerned with you as a human being. Ask for a new physician, or simply educate yourself about how to communicate with them. My best patients write questions for me and bring them in.
If you're all about prescriptions, try simplifying things with a maintenance dosage of buproprion (200-400 mg in the am) and tramadol (50mg x 4 times a day) for pain. If you have an anxiety attack, try Xanax XR 1mg, not to exceed 6mg a day. Don't crutch with the xanax, try to experience some of the panic so your body and mind learns gradually that it won't kill you and you'll eventually eliminate almost all "episodes", bar few certain triggers.
If you're seeking partial or complete alternative methods to "western medicine" then I would also recommend acupuncture, combined with TENS, seeking out a physician from the Pacific College of Eastern Medicine (I've heard good things about their programs), and Yoga. Yes, I said Yoga. No, it is not just for fags. It works.
Did you know the average appointment with the doctor him/herself averages only 6 minutes? You'll need to get the most out of that time since the VA is so stuffed that you'll only get an appointment every 6 weeks or so. Educate yourself about these topics to help open dialog with you and your doctor- PTSD, the VA's ILP (Independent Living Program) and how it can help you adapt your home and so forth, sleep therapy tactics and/or alternatives to Ambien, and finally, write your questions down for your doctor. My best patients can cover so much more with me when they keep notes with questions than the ones who just show up.
Please note: My post is for informational or educational purposes and not intended to replace the medical advice of your own physician, who has your tests, history and records. This is intended to help you open routes of alternative, more healthy treatments, and get to a resolution. By no means should you accept a first diagnosis, seek second opinions (this is not one, sorry), and specialists.
ALSO----
Do not, what-so-ever, never, never, never use medications intended for veterinary purposes! Two types of doors open to people who do that - one is hung on a wall of a prison, the other on the morgue; if you're lucky.
Dr R.A. Foster, D.O.
Email me if you need a hand vets; I will try to help out the best I can.
Drfoster at Medscape com
Posted - 11/19/2007 : 12:34:46 PM
* Benadryl 25-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hours; makes the occasional person feel "wired")
* Melatonin 3-6 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (mild)
* Valerian (variable dosing) duration 3-4 hours (mild)
* 5 Hydroxy-tryptophan 50-200 mg before bed (serotonin precursor; may help depression; mild )
* Amitryptiline 5-50 mg 1-2 hrs before bed, or another tricyclic antidepressant
* Trazodone 25-200 mg (mild antidepressant, may cause priapism so I avoid in males)
* Neurontin 100-800mg (also helps with pain)
* Cyclobenzaprine 5-20 mg 1-2 hrs before bed (duration 6-10 hrs, muscle relaxant)
* Ambien 5-10 mg 15 minutes before bed (duration 4-10 hrs, too strong for some patients, may disorient them; acts suddenly)
* Remeron 15-30 mg (causes weight gain so reserve for those underweight, is an antidepressant)
* Benzodiazepines (for short-term use; helpful if anxiety a problem; use benzodiazepines with a short half-life in those who are weak or may fall)
The only thing I have ever heard of that supposedly helps is doxycycline. I have yet to find a doctor who will perscrib it to me.
It is an antibiotic and I do not know how long a person is suppost to take it or anything.
Capt. Joyce Riely is were I heard this from on radio talk show that have delt with the subject.
As far a natural stuff I renenber hearing of stuff that help treat symptoms but nothing to help permanent. I do not remember which stuff it is but I remember looking once and all the things were super expencive and I just could not afford to take the stuff like thet claimed it should be taken as it would have cost nearly $30 a day for all the stuff from the natural medicines stores (which was the only place that carried the stuff.
I'll dig through my paper work to try to find all the info for you. But it may take awhile because I think it is burried out in my shed.
How close do you live to Mexico?
I'm on the Canadian border...Northern Idaho.