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woodguru
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I have a brother that has Gulf Syndrome about as bad as it can be and still be working a job and functional. He had been in the military for ten or fifteen years in Germany in highly classified cryptology. It took him over ten years to get it acknowledged and almost couldn't hang in until full retirement. He had breakdowns and really serious mental and emotional as well as physical symptoms. He now has an 80% and retirement and has a civil service job. He also lost two unborn children that were stillborn and highly defective like no hands. His last has a heart defect but is otherwise okay. I think everyone knows how long it has taken to get much acknowledgement that it's real.<br>
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I also had a pool league team member that is 100% disabled and a lucky one that has a full lifetime $3000 a month or so. When he told me his story about how and why he was so lucky to get a non runaround disability I was apalled at the typical injured veteran and how they can be handled.<br>
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He was a medic or nurse in a Gulf War field or base hospital when he got a case of intestines and bowels that are so perforated that he almost died. Because he was a medic and knew officers who were doctors he was able to get out without being a veteran care casualty in terms of denial and runaround. He told me that he was heavily coached and counseled by his doctors who knew him. They told him exactly what to say, and what benefit and payoff amounts he should take or ignore, and to refuse cash buyouts of future liability. The military will offer injured or sick soldiers amounts of money like thirty or fifty thousand dollars as a settlement that severs all future entitlements or government liability.<br>
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There are a lot of abuses that cloud the disability issue but there are guys who will never live a normal life that are being tricked into being written off. My friend won't cooperate with a book or news sources because he could lose his disability income. He has learned to not share how much he gets because many people have an attitude about getting three grand a month for life. He has a very challenged set of physical limitations. Bush as a policy kept veterans injury and disability information secret as a matter of national security. The shell shock syndrome has such huge percentages of everyone who has served in Iraq that it was that administration's premise that it would be harmful to morale if those number got out on his watch. Information isn't so easy to come by and there is something wrong with buying off liabilities and playing a runaround game with veterans who need help. My friend was very lucky to be in a situation where he is unable to work or function well and be set within reason for life, he is an exception not the norm.<br>
<br>That hidden cost of injured and disabled veterans attached to each war has to be well documented and assessed and figured into the equation of what wars we are willing to commit to. We talk about thousands dead and the count doesn't reflect interesting technicalities used during Bush's terms such as they aren't counted if they died here in the states, etc. Injured is a large percentage of the number deployed, crazy and unbelievably large percentages.<br>
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I also had a pool league team member that is 100% disabled and a lucky one that has a full lifetime $3000 a month or so. When he told me his story about how and why he was so lucky to get a non runaround disability I was apalled at the typical injured veteran and how they can be handled.<br>
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He was a medic or nurse in a Gulf War field or base hospital when he got a case of intestines and bowels that are so perforated that he almost died. Because he was a medic and knew officers who were doctors he was able to get out without being a veteran care casualty in terms of denial and runaround. He told me that he was heavily coached and counseled by his doctors who knew him. They told him exactly what to say, and what benefit and payoff amounts he should take or ignore, and to refuse cash buyouts of future liability. The military will offer injured or sick soldiers amounts of money like thirty or fifty thousand dollars as a settlement that severs all future entitlements or government liability.<br>
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There are a lot of abuses that cloud the disability issue but there are guys who will never live a normal life that are being tricked into being written off. My friend won't cooperate with a book or news sources because he could lose his disability income. He has learned to not share how much he gets because many people have an attitude about getting three grand a month for life. He has a very challenged set of physical limitations. Bush as a policy kept veterans injury and disability information secret as a matter of national security. The shell shock syndrome has such huge percentages of everyone who has served in Iraq that it was that administration's premise that it would be harmful to morale if those number got out on his watch. Information isn't so easy to come by and there is something wrong with buying off liabilities and playing a runaround game with veterans who need help. My friend was very lucky to be in a situation where he is unable to work or function well and be set within reason for life, he is an exception not the norm.<br>
<br>That hidden cost of injured and disabled veterans attached to each war has to be well documented and assessed and figured into the equation of what wars we are willing to commit to. We talk about thousands dead and the count doesn't reflect interesting technicalities used during Bush's terms such as they aren't counted if they died here in the states, etc. Injured is a large percentage of the number deployed, crazy and unbelievably large percentages.<br>
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I have a brother that has Gulf Syndrome about as bad as it can be and still be working a job and functional. He had been in the military for ten or fifteen years in Germany in highly classified cryptology.
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you don't know how long your own brother was in the military...10 or 15 years??? //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
It took him over ten years to get it acknowledged and almost couldn't hang in until full retirement. He had breakdowns and really serious mental and emotional as well as physical symptoms. He now has an 80% and retirement and has a civil service job. He also lost two unborn children that were stillborn and highly defective like no hands.//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Again you don't know what disabilities your niece/nephew have?? like no hands?? do they have hands or not? ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
His last has a heart defect but is otherwise okay. I think everyone knows how long it has taken to get much acknowledgement that it's real.<br>
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I also had a pool league team member that is 100% disabled and a lucky one that has a full lifetime $3000 a month or so. When he told me his story about how and why he was so lucky to get a non runaround disability I was apalled at the typical injured veteran and how they can be handled.<br>
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He was a medic or nurse in a Gulf War field or base hospital when he got a case of intestines and bowels that are so perforated that he almost died. Because he was a medic and knew officers who were doctors he was able to get out without being a veteran care casualty in terms of denial and runaround. He told me that he was heavily coached and counseled by his doctors who knew him. They told him exactly what to say, and what benefit and payoff amounts he should take or ignore, and to refuse cash buyouts of future liability. The military will offer injured or sick soldiers amounts of money like thirty or fifty thousand dollars as a settlement that severs all future entitlements or government liability.<br>/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Taking a lump sum payout DOES NOT sever entitlement to VA benefits. When a veteran is granted SC disability for the same disability that they were awarded the severance pay for, The VA withholds the money until the lump sum is recouped.. IE ..if they took a $10,000 lump sum and get 100% which is about $3000 a month the benefit would not be paid for 4 months until the $10,000 is paid back. then they would start getting a monthly check. You can't get paid twice for the same disability, However you can get VA and SSD for the same disability.//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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There are a lot of abuses that cloud the disability issue but there are guys who will never live a normal life that are being tricked into being written off. My friend won't cooperate with a book or news sources because he could lose his disability income. He has learned to not share how much he gets because many people have an attitude about getting three grand a month for life. He has a very challenged set of physical limitations. Bush as a policy kept veterans injury and disability information secret as a matter of national security. The shell shock syndrome has such huge percentages of everyone who has served in Iraq that it was that administration's premise that it would be harmful to morale if those number got out on his watch. Information isn't so easy to come by and there is something wrong with buying off liabilities and playing a runaround game with veterans who need help. My friend was very lucky to be in a situation where he is unable to work or function well and be set within reason for life, he is an exception not the norm.<br>
<br>That hidden cost of injured and disabled veterans attached to each war has to be well documented and assessed and figured into the equation of what wars we are willing to commit to. We talk about thousands dead and the count doesn't reflect interesting technicalities used during Bush's terms such as they aren't counted if they died here in the states, etc. Injured is a large percentage of the number deployed, crazy and unbelievably large percentages.<br>
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I have a brother that has Gulf Syndrome about as bad as it can be and still be working a job and functional. He had been in the military for ten or fifteen years in Germany in highly classified cryptology. It took him over ten years to get it acknowledged and almost couldn't hang in until full retirement. He had breakdowns and really serious mental and emotional as well as physical symptoms. He now has an 80% and retirement and has a civil service job. He also lost two unborn children that were stillborn and highly defective like no hands. His last has a heart defect but is otherwise okay. I think everyone knows how long it has taken to get much acknowledgement that it's real.
That hidden cost of injured and disabled veterans attached to each war has to be well documented and assessed and figured into the equation of what wars we are willing to commit to. We talk about thousands dead and the count doesn't reflect interesting technicalities used during Bush's terms such as they aren't counted if they died here in the states, etc. Injured is a large percentage of the number deployed, crazy and unbelievably large percentages.
Woody, get off the "bash Bush" bandwagon. You didn't serve and no amount of "...I had a relative... or ...I knew someone who..." will ever give you credibility in this venue.
What's appalling is your constant banging of the drum trying to get others to agree with your position. Each of the vets go through a debrief PRIOR to getting out. Each is explained their rights (ALL OF THEM) and then provided with contact numbers and forms. You have nothing of value to offer a vet.
NO ONE is tricked - so drop it!
Go back to the POLITICS thread and haunt that area for your constant haranguing of capitalism and extolling virtues of a left wing socialist system.
COB
quote:Originally posted by woodguru
I have a brother that has Gulf Syndrome about as bad as it can be and still be working a job and functional. He had been in the military for ten or fifteen years in Germany in highly classified cryptology. It took him over ten years to get it acknowledged and almost couldn't hang in until full retirement. He had breakdowns and really serious mental and emotional as well as physical symptoms. He now has an 80% and retirement and has a civil service job. He also lost two unborn children that were stillborn and highly defective like no hands. His last has a heart defect but is otherwise okay. I think everyone knows how long it has taken to get much acknowledgement that it's real.
That hidden cost of injured and disabled veterans attached to each war has to be well documented and assessed and figured into the equation of what wars we are willing to commit to. We talk about thousands dead and the count doesn't reflect interesting technicalities used during Bush's terms such as they aren't counted if they died here in the states, etc. Injured is a large percentage of the number deployed, crazy and unbelievably large percentages.
Woody, get off the "bash Bush" bandwagon. You didn't serve and no amount of "...I had a relative... or ...I knew someone who..." will ever give you credibility in this venue.
What's appalling is your constant banging of the drum trying to get others to agree with your position. Each of the vets go through a debrief PRIOR to getting out. Each is explained their rights (ALL OF THEM) and then provided with contact numbers and forms. You have nothing of value to offer a vet.
NO ONE is tricked - so drop it!
Go back to the POLITICS thread and haunt that area for your constant haranguing of capitalism and extolling virtues of a left wing socialist system.
COB
You again COB, I'm starting to wonder if you have a thing for me
Is this true? I have some of the sign of the poop.
I hear the gulfwar Syndrone is from the untested pills for nerve gas.
Is this true? I have some of the sign of the poop.
I'm sure that plays a part in it. Many vets were exposed to nerve agent. The Army Times released a list of units that they KNEW were exposed to it a couple years ago. Personally, I think it was a combination of factors.