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Cummins vs. Issa
Issa cut off Cummins when he tried to defend the Democrat position on the IRS scandal. I love it when the left handed Reps get shut down...What is his problem with getting at the truth about the targeting of the IRS on Tea Party Members?
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IF there were no improper or illegal activities, Learner would answer the questions instead of invoking the 5th Amendment rights. Such stonewalling by an employee of the taxpayers is pure corruption.
She is probably more afraid of the 'puppet masters' than Issa or the investigative committee.
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That was my first thought, BUT think Lewis (Scooter) Libby.
(one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and one count of making false statements)
I would like Congress to drop the committees and go to a Special Prosecutor.
IF there were no improper or illegal activities, Learner would answer the questions instead of invoking the 5th Amendment rights. Such stonewalling by an employee of the taxpayers is pure corruption.
She is probably more afraid of the 'puppet masters' than Issa or the investigative committee.
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Some of the attorneys that are defending these government types invoking 5th Amendment use the same verbiage common criminals use, 4th district court of appeals has thrown out convictions in the past for DJ phone taping of 113,000 citizens, the same figure of the illegalities is presently over one million Americans who the DJ has spied on without warrants. The Obama Administration is presently engaged is the same type of illegalities the GWB did, these happenings are the reason changes to laws where a President only serves one six year term. All presidents ignore the law in their second terms.
Nothing good is going to come out of the halls of congress, nothing good for "We the People". Expecting any real good from congress is like expecting good smells to come out of any cesspool.
I will find it very, very difficult if not impossible to vote for any incumbent next November.
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Why??
they are just doing what the electorate wanted. the democrats are pushing their change to turn the US into a socialist country and the republicans are doing what they can to stop it.
So what's not to like??
I will find it very, very difficult if not impossible to vote for any incumbent next November.
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That is what primaries are for.
At the federal level you will have 1 member of the House and possibly 1 of the 18 Senators up for reelection.
While it is difficult, it is not impossible to unseat an incumbent.
We are long overdue for a special prosecutor.
take this from the political arena.
it has been referred to the ethics committee. But was this interaction LEGAL?
quote:Originally posted by us55840
I will find it very, very difficult if not impossible to vote for any incumbent next November.
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Why??
they are just doing what the electorate wanted. the democrats are pushing their change to turn the US into a socialist country and the republicans are doing what they can to stop it.
So what's not to like??
Voting just makes them think they are doing a good job. I'm not poor enough to be a Democrat nor rich enough to be a Republican so what's the point?
i couldn't afford to attend O's $32,000 a person fundraiser today.
Don't vote. It only encourages the buzzards.
IF there were no improper or illegal activities, Learner would answer the questions instead of invoking the 5th Amendment rights. Such stonewalling by an employee of the taxpayers is pure corruption.
She is probably more afraid of the 'puppet masters' than Issa or the investigative committee.
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The old 'nothing to hide, nothing to worry about' theory?
Don't like it when it is done to a private citizen, and I don't think it appropriate for a public figure.
She has left office, and is subject now only to criminal prosecution. It may be necessary, but she is still protected by the 5th.
Brad Steele
Was she under OATH?
I don't think a Congressional hearing is the same a grand jury or actually in court.
could she be prosecuted for lying to congress (i think she did), or obstruction of justice by giving false or miss leading answers (again i think she did), perhaps ask Col North..
"but she is still protected by the 5th" not from prosecution, only as noted.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
I can't remember that last time any hearing of importance accomplished anything of note, if anything at all. It's all political theater anymore, a show for public consumption peddled by a media complex that couldn't spell truth let alone report it.
As far as resolution you are correct. But without the hearings what would the public know about F&F, IRS, etc.
I have absolutely 0 confidence in the Media doing ANY investigation.
quote:Originally posted by wifetrained
I can't remember that last time any hearing of importance accomplished anything of note, if anything at all. It's all political theater anymore, a show for public consumption peddled by a media complex that couldn't spell truth let alone report it.
As far as resolution you are correct. But without the hearings what would the public know about F&F, IRS, etc.
I have absolutely 0 confidence in the Media doing ANY investigation.
Even with hearings we know squat. It's one thing if they investigated and did something useful, it's another to see this continuous dog and pony show (regardless of the issue) that accomplishes nothing, wastes resources, and appears to be geared to BS the public until such time that the public's attention is focused elsewhere (which all too often happens very quickly). We only have the illusion that something is being done much like we have the illusion that there's a difference between the repub's and the dem's.
quote:Originally posted by casper1947
quote:Originally posted by wifetrained
I can't remember that last time any hearing of importance accomplished anything of note, if anything at all. It's all political theater anymore, a show for public consumption peddled by a media complex that couldn't spell truth let alone report it.
As far as resolution you are correct. But without the hearings what would the public know about F&F, IRS, etc.
I have absolutely 0 confidence in the Media doing ANY investigation.
Even with hearings we know squat. It's one thing if they investigated and did something useful, it's another to see this continuous dog and pony show (regardless of the issue) that accomplishes nothing, wastes resources, and appears to be geared to BS the public until such time that the public's attention is focused elsewhere (which all too often happens very quickly). We only have the illusion that something is being done much like we have the illusion that there's a difference between the repub's and the dem's.
IRS targeting of conservative groups was done by a couple of staffers in the Cincinnati office.
Benghazi was the result of a protest over a video.
Fast and Furious was a Bush operation.
Congressional oversight is one of the basic Check and Balance between co-equal branches of government. They do not have Judicial (court) power nor investigation/prosecution power (DOJ), They may refer the investigation to the DOJ .
Holder should have been impeached for lying to congress, contempt of congress and obstruction. This will not happen because the R's will be labeled as raciest and partisan by the D's because they are partisan and only have the "race card" to bring to an argument.
But there is NO difference between Maria Cantwell/Patty Murray and Ted Cruz/John Cornyn?
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Fast and Furious was a Bush operation.
NOT entirely true. There was an operation like Fast and Furious during the Bush administration for a short time but was discontinued as a bad, ineffective operation.
The Fast & Furious operation under the obama administration would have continued had it not been exposed.
Actually none of them are true, that was the point. These were the explanations given by the administration when questioned.
Do we know more now, could it be because of the congressional investigation?
quote:Originally posted by wifetrained
quote:Originally posted by casper1947
quote:Originally posted by wifetrained
I can't remember that last time any hearing of importance accomplished anything of note, if anything at all. It's all political theater anymore, a show for public consumption peddled by a media complex that couldn't spell truth let alone report it.
As far as resolution you are correct. But without the hearings what would the public know about F&F, IRS, etc.
I have absolutely 0 confidence in the Media doing ANY investigation.
Even with hearings we know squat. It's one thing if they investigated and did something useful, it's another to see this continuous dog and pony show (regardless of the issue) that accomplishes nothing, wastes resources, and appears to be geared to BS the public until such time that the public's attention is focused elsewhere (which all too often happens very quickly). We only have the illusion that something is being done much like we have the illusion that there's a difference between the repub's and the dem's.
IRS targeting of conservative groups was done by a couple of staffers in the Cincinnati office.
I seriously doubt the IRS scandal were simply the actions of a couple of staffers in Ohio.
Benghazi was the result of a protest over a video.
Benghazi was a terrorist attack and the fed's even admit that....now.
Fast and Furious was a Bush operation.
Operation Wide Receiver was the Bush operation and it was a failure. Only around 60 weapons, out of over 470, were ever recovered. But at least no agent's were killed during it's run.
Congressional oversight is one of the basic Check and Balance between co-equal branches of government. They do not have Judicial (court) power nor investigation/prosecution power (DOJ), They may refer the investigation to the DOJ .
It used to be one of the checks and balances, no longer. The Fast and Furious issue has been going on for over 3 years and they have accomplished nothing. The IRS scandal was committed by low level staffers out of one state office??, then why does Lerner need to take the fifth?? Why are documents redacted??, Why didn't congress just grant her immunity thereby compelling her testimony?? If she was found to be lying she would have lost her immunity and could be prosecuted.
Holder should have been impeached for lying to congress, contempt of congress and obstruction. This will not happen because the R's will be labeled as raciest and partisan by the D's because they are partisan and only have the "race card" to bring to an argument.
Holder should be in jail...period! And I don't think it's as simple as fear of the "race card". I think both parties are corrupt and in cahoots more than we know. We only have the illusion they're different, but when one steps back and views things objectively and not thru the "left right" nonsense peddled by politician's and the media one see's a lot more clearly.
But there is NO difference between Maria Cantwell/Patty Murray and Ted Cruz/John Cornyn?
Beyond rhetoric, no. Talking the talk and walking the walk are two different things. I'm from Washington state so I am well aware of Cantwell and Murray, living proof that stupid people shouldn't be allowed to vote. While I find congress's low approval rating to be exceptionally well deserved, it's ironic that incumbents are somehow re-elected at a better than 90% rate. Until the public wakes up and holds these * accountable for their actions/lack of action it will never change and the public will continue to be treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and feed bullchit!