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Get out and vote tomorrow (Tuesday) and "put Senator Thad Cochran out of office.
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Get out and vote tomorrow (Tuesday) and "put Senator Thad Cochran out of office.
I asked all my business friends in the coast to vote him out...I hope they listen...
If Cochran is reelected and the REP's take over the Senate in NOV 2014 he will become the chairman of the most powerful committee in the Senate....the APP committee where every federal dollar is doled out. Sen Robert Byrd of WV was chairman for years (even gave up being MLeader to chair it!) and he made sure that our state got its share of federal dollars from everything from roads (went from the worst roads in the US to some of the best), moving Fed agencies like ATF and FBI to WV with their high paying jobs....on and on. With Cochran in control MISS has the potential to see that it gets its share of the fed dollars.....which is a very good reason for keeping him in DC IMO. But I see the "same old suspects" barking another tune on this thread which doesn't surprise me one whit....just the dumb political move IMO....putting MISS to wayback of the line rather than first in line. What's smart about that?[:o)]
I agree with you, with as little as I know about Mississippi politics a lot of money is going there, plus they still have their glorious state flag which will become history for sure if progressives take control.
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
WAhooooooooooo Cantor wins! Tings look good for Chris! Tae Party ain't dead![:D]
Charles is so confused that he can't spell "Tea!" What a hoot! It is going to be interesting to analyze the Brat victory as in VA DEM's could actually vote in the REP primary...........wonder how many did vote for Brat?
Can you spell "loser"?...well get use to it! Go by your local Tea Party office and beg forgiveness before its to late...[:o)]
Since I am a thousand miles from MS, how is the campaign going for Thad? Does he have a chance? Hopeless? Need a fair and balanced report....not some of the usual. Be candid and frank.
Gary(Your Majesty)Looks like a new Senator....my friends(business) all say "Cochran" is done...and they are the money behind the new guy...But,it is an election,and remember what happened to Cantor...[;)]
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/20/shouting-match-erupts-at-chris-mcdaniel-event-after-democratic-voter-crashes-it-answer-me-sir/
If Cochran is reelected and the REP's take over the Senate in NOV 2014 he will become the chairman of the most powerful committee in the Senate....the APP committee where every federal dollar is doled out. Sen Robert Byrd of WV was chairman for years (even gave up being MLeader to chair it!) and he made sure that our state got its share of federal dollars from everything from roads (went from the worst roads in the US to some of the best), moving Fed agencies like ATF and FBI to WV with their high paying jobs....on and on. With Cochran in control MISS has the potential to see that it gets its share of the fed dollars.....which is a very good reason for keeping him in DC IMO. But I see the "same old suspects" barking another tune on this thread which doesn't surprise me one whit....just the dumb political move IMO....putting MISS to wayback of the line rather than first in line. What's smart about that?[:o)]
It is the honorable thing to do; otherwise you continue to give tacit approval to the trillions in debt, corruption, lies, more government and less freedom. Only the selfish think of getting from others instead of working for it themselves. Byrd was a disgrace to his nation, a evil self centered power broker that made darn sure his party and politics came before what was right.
quote:Originally posted by bpost
quote:Originally posted by gary wray
If Cochran is reelected and the REP's take over the Senate in NOV 2014 he will become the chairman of the most powerful committee in the Senate....the APP committee where every federal dollar is doled out. Sen Robert Byrd of WV was chairman for years (even gave up being MLeader to chair it!) and he made sure that our state got its share of federal dollars from everything from roads (went from the worst roads in the US to some of the best), moving Fed agencies like ATF and FBI to WV with their high paying jobs....on and on. With Cochran in control MISS has the potential to see that it gets its share of the fed dollars.....which is a very good reason for keeping him in DC IMO. But I see the "same old suspects" barking another tune on this thread which doesn't surprise me one whit....just the dumb political move IMO....putting MISS to wayback of the line rather than first in line. What's smart about that?[:o)]
It is the honorable thing to do; otherwise you continue to give tacit approval to the trillions in debt, corruption, lies, more government and less freedom. Only the selfish think of getting from others instead of working for it themselves. Byrd was a disgrace to his nation, a evil self centered power broker that made darn sure his party and politics came before what was right.
bpost....you are certainly entitled to your view of a great West Virginian but I might suggest that you don't spout that stuff inside anywhere in the Mt. State where he rightly considered a hero for taking care of his home state.
Mississippi is a poor state like WV and needs help anyway it can get it IMO. It is not popular today to talk about getting a FED fair share for your home state but they all still do it....heck, if you mention in DE cutting back Dover Air Force Base you will have a VP and two Senators (Carper and *) down your neck in a heartbeat. If you don't think it is still done, you don't really know how the system works.
It started when the US was created (check out how the first six ship (all frigates) USN contract was let and it is still here and will always be here. I say more power to Thad for looking out for his home state all the years he has been in DC.
What you consider a real negative I think will work in his favor when the election is held...might not be enough to elect him for his other liabilities, but it should help, not hurt him, in the general election. But, again, I am 1000m away from MS and not familiar with the campaign other than what I read and see. Do you live in MS?
I live in deep South Ohio, Meigs county to be exact. My family comes from WV, I spend a lot of time in WV working and live about 4 miles from the Ohio river. I don't give a tinkers damn what the freeloaders and SSDI scammers in WV think. Byrd was a scumbag, he lied and cheated his way to power, he stole the election for Kennedy. Mingo, Logan, Wood and several other counties are cesspools of corruption, little changed from the time of "sheets Byrd".
The "system" does not work. Note the period. The "system" is corruption, lies and dishonor; the system needs clean hands, clean minds unsullied by the filth of the two party strangle hold on DC.
The lines are becoming more defined. As a Conservative I do not find any Constitutional authorization for compassion (not even in the "good and plenty" clause).
While there is momentum building to correct some of these issues will it be enough to actually fix the problem? I doubt it. We have arrived at this point thru ignorance and/or apathy of how the system was intended to work.
There are still WAY to many that vote because they perceive a personal benefit or just to feel good that someone else is taking care of a "problem" regardless of the eventual outcome or cost.
Personally when the choice is to vote for principal or profit, I will choose principal.
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
First you say that WV left Va. because of slavery and staying in the union...now you say Byrd was a Klansman...and he regretted it...well George Wallace regretted being a black manipulator(Votes)..So, Gary I see you stuffed envelopes for JFK! So that tells me your a closet Dem...just like I suspected all along....Lost your credibility? Think folks will listen to you anymore?...Well I will,because I like to know what the opposition is doing...Hope we remain friends,after all you are a Dr.....[:o)]
pwillie....WV was s border state but during the Civil War many in the southern part favored the south....if you knew a little WV history (had to take a year of it in college as a history major) you would know that the state was born in the north...Wheeling...and only later the capitol moved south to Charleston. My GGGrandfather (Jacob Harper) was jumped and murdered in 1863 near Harper by some Reb bushwackers so in my family the south not much loved. Yes, I worked for JFK's election but was too young to vote in 1960 but he was liked by me and lots of other WV folks....he worked the little towns up and down the state and folks liked his down to earth humor and youthful good looks.....many of the same reasons he was elected. I think most folks today would consider JFK a conservative DEM....which is what most folks in WV are today including this guy....and that is one reason why our very liberal and progressive POTUS is so disliked in WV. Glad we are still friends[;)]
You sure you don't hold a grudge against "southerners"?.....You Hill Billies seem to have originated fueds....I'm gonna let you off on the "JFK thing,but you need to make a decision on your Rhino position....move more to the central, and I will let you back into the Southern State Reform...[:o)]
"Looking at June 24th, as I write this message of URGENCY, I cannot help from thinking of Martin Luther King, Jr., who said, "It may well be that we will have to repent in this generation. Not merely for the vitriolic words and the violent actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence and indifference of the good people who sit around and say, `Wait on time'" and do nothing.
Well, that "TIME" IS NOW-JUNE 24TH!!! This is the date of URGENCY , demanding-IF YOU DID NOT vote June 3-that you go to the polls and vote REPUBLICAN IN THE RUNOFF ELECTION.
Democrats, who did not vote June 3, CAN "CROSSOVER." THAD COCHRAN is the BEST CANDIDATE! He has GREAT SENIORITY ADVANTAGE on the Appropriations Committee. HE IS A MODERATE REPUBLICAN-who will benefit ALL MISSISSIPPIANS!!! "
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/21/bombshell-photo-democrats-campaigning-for-moderate-cochran-in-mississippi/
Here is an interesting article.
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/06/24/5-reasons-mississippi-republicans-should-send-thad-cochran-packing-today-n1854992?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl
The highlights are:
1) Thad Cochran is not mentally up to the job of being a senator anymore:
2) Thad Cochran has served long enough:
3) Thad Cochran isn't conservative enough to be a senator for a state like Mississippi:
4) Thad Cochran is explicitly trying to get Democrats to put him over the top in the primary:
5) You can send a message to the Establishment by voting Cochran out of office:
Sitting here a thousand miles away and reading about the Thad campaign, and reading about it in the local papers, I am trying to figure out why he is trying to appeal to DEM voters to win the campaign. That sounds to me like desperation and will not play well. Is he that desperate? I know the guy is a lousy campaigner but this strikes me as a silly attempt that will backfire on him. The larger question is why does MS allow DEM's to vote (evidently like VA) in a REP election? Can't happen in little DE....you can only vote in your party primary...even Ind can't vote in a DEM or REP primary. Going to be interesting.
Only 12 States use the "Closed Primary" system like Delaware.
The mixed or the open method for primaries does appear to me to be more democratic. If you can send money to either party and can vote on election day any way you wish, why should you be denied a voice in the selection of the candidates?
It appears to me that the closed primary effectively silences candidates and many voters that may consider themselves "Blue Dog" or Independent.
Interesting to say the least.
Hooray for the big-government progressives! Long live the status quo! Constitutional principles be damned, we owe our souls to the party!
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
"Blue Dog"???...your a Progressive hiding behind a vale of Academia!Very few people that choose to live in a Northern State that has returned Joe Biden time and again to the Senate level in Congress could be a true conservative...you want us folks to vote hard right so as to guarantee the Progressive future...Gary my friend,you weave a wicked web...But rest assured, change will come,and you will see a birth of a new nation..[;)]
pwillie....I know you read what I post and you know I ain't a progressive nor do I support Joe Biden so I take your comments to be "tongue in cheek." I am a conservative DEM from WV and "my web" is just that....ain't at REP by any stretch and I happen to like change actually and in my little community am known as a "change agent." I just like SMART change, change for the better, change that helps folks, not hurts them. If was in MS I most likely would not have voted for Thad but would have to have read more up on the issues and how the other guy could help my state. Evidently the majority of folks from MS didn't like what they saw and said "NO" to him. Another loss for the Tea Party and its leadership that pulled out all the stops and dough to get Thad out and it didn't work. I think Thad in a Senate leadership position helps MS more than hurts it as that is the way the Senate is constructed and it ain't going to change anytime soon.
OK, now I am interested in the positions of a "Conservative" Democrat.
Pro Life?
2nd Amendment as applied by State and Federal Government?
National Debt?
What adjustments should be made to address the deficit?
What could be done to help the economy improve?
Back to the topic.
There can be little doubt that Democrat crossover put Cochran over the top.
Travis W. Childers- Lifetime Score 49%
Thad Cochran - Lifetime Score 57%
Tough choice in November.
quote:Originally posted by casper1947
Just a little information from FreedomWorks
Travis W. Childers- Lifetime Score 49%
Thad Cochran - Lifetime Score 57%
Tough choice in November.
Why is this such a tough decision? If we want to take over the Senate and have REP's in control you don't elect DEM's. No brainer. Let's take the Senate over and get rid of Harry Reid, the second step in the process to take back the White House. Electing DEM's ain't the smart way IMO. Suck it up and vote for Thad in Nov.
Well consider this.
There are 34 Senate seats up for re-election in 2014.
13 Republican
21 Democrat
For the Democrats to lose control of the Senate would take Democrats -6.
I have heard reports that they could lose 8, 10 or even more.
Unless the Democrats are -15 (not likely at this time) -6 is enough.
If it would appear to be as high as -7 or -8 then what if the Tea Party switched its support to the Democrat. This would send a message to the GOP. Perhaps then the establishment GOP would consider attacking a Democrat at least to the level it attacks a Tea Party supported candidate. I would like to see what that would look like.
quote:Originally posted by casper1947
Just a little information from FreedomWorks
Travis W. Childers- Lifetime Score 49%
Thad Cochran - Lifetime Score 57%
Tough choice in November.
Why is this such a tough decision? If we want to take over the Senate and have REP's in control you don't elect DEM's. No brainer. Let's take the Senate over and get rid of Harry Reid, the second step in the process to take back the White House. Electing DEM's ain't the smart way IMO. Suck it up and vote for Thad in Nov.
Looks like a Dem won the Republican primary. Thad Cockran couldn't have won without his lying and getting his Democrat support. Nothing but a POS. Damn if he will get my vote in November. After the crap he pulled, my wife and I will be voting 3rd party.
He is a PARTY FIRST scumbag now a real hunk of junk.
Sad, since when he was WV governor I thought he placed people above party and did a great job for WV. His stance on the gun issue forever erased his standing as a good guy that gets what freedom is.
quote:Originally posted by beneteau
quote:Originally posted by gary wray
quote:Originally posted by casper1947
Just a little information from FreedomWorks
Travis W. Childers- Lifetime Score 49%
Thad Cochran - Lifetime Score 57%
Tough choice in November.
Why is this such a tough decision? If we want to take over the Senate and have REP's in control you don't elect DEM's. No brainer. Let's take the Senate over and get rid of Harry Reid, the second step in the process to take back the White House. Electing DEM's ain't the smart way IMO. Suck it up and vote for Thad in Nov.
Looks like a Dem won the Republican primary. Thad Cockran couldn't have won without his lying and getting his Democrat support. Nothing but a POS. Damn if he will get my vote in November. After the crap he pulled, my wife and I will be voting 3rd party.
Well said. Another vote for Harry Reid as Senate majority leader. Smart[;)]The DEM's love this thinkin'[:o)]
There in bed together so what's the diff? [:D]
(Reuters) - The Tea Party-backed candidate who has refused to concede defeat to Republican U.S. Senator Thad Cochran in Mississippi's primary runoff said his campaign has found more than 1,000 instances of ballots cast by people who were ineligible to vote.
Chris McDaniel said his supporters continue to look for evidence of voters who participated in the state's Democratic primary on June 3 and then voted in the Republican runoff primary on Tuesday, which would not be permitted by Mississippi law.
"We've already found more than 1,000 examples of that in one county alone," McDaniel said in an interview Thursday night on Fox News' Hannity show. "We're talking about widespread irregularities, ineligible voters that should not have been there in the first place."
http://www.newsweek.com/defeated-republican-challenges-mississippi-senate-primary-votes-256535
These facts support the truth that the establishment GOP are big-government progressives who want EXACTLY the same things that the Democrats want.
The fact is that McDaniel was defeated by one point. The fact is that the black Democrat turnout was increased by 40% over previous years, which works out to be nine points. This means that, if the vote had been amongst only the Republican voters in MS, McDaniel would have won by eight points.
You are the one who doesn't get it. Honor is honor and principles are principles. Without them we are nothing but rabble, fodder for the political elite to use to gain power.
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
The fact is that the establishment progressive Republicans (Orin Hatch and Mitch McConnell are two major financial contributors) reached out to the entitlement crowd to steal an election. These are the "other MS voters" who realized that McDaniel stands for the idea of individuals getting out and improving themselves and producing something rather than doing nothing and being carried by government (in other words tax payers who DO produce something, for you so-called conservative Democrats out there).
These facts support the truth that the establishment GOP are big-government progressives who want EXACTLY the same things that the Democrats want.
The fact is that McDaniel was defeated by one point. The fact is that the black Democrat turnout was increased by 40% over previous years, which works out to be nine points. This means that, if the vote had been amongst only the Republican voters in MS, McDaniel would have won by eight points.
You are not getting it. HE LOST! Yes, he lost by crossover votes (which I don't support as I said) but the game is the game and a loss is a loss...by one or ten or forty points. Majority rules. You are making my point. A better effort would be to work in MS to change the law to a non-crossover primary like in 12 other states rather than complaining about this loss and pounding the table. The MS reality is that 49% of the dough in MS comes in one way or another from the FED gov't and those translate into jobs and folks didn't think McDaniel, with all his ranting and raving against DC, would help them keep their jobs. One person's pork is another person's job and folks want to keep their jobs that in this day are hard to get. I don't the national TParty "got it" and didn't realize how unpopular McDaniel is in the black MS community. Also, this worked against Cantor in VA as blacks came out to vote for Brat in his race and helped defeat Cantor so it worked, interesting, in both campaigns....helped Brat, hurt McDaniel. I don't think DEM's should have been allowed to vote in either REP primary but, as I said, the game is the game.
Voter fraud is voter fraud. My understanding of the statue is that cross-over voting is legal if you have not voted in the other party's primary, and if you intent is to vote for the person in the general. Cochran deliberately courted voters that he knows will not vote for him in the General Election so as to defeat McDaniel. Statistics tell us that the 16,000+ black voters that helped put him over the top will not vote for him in the General Election, thus Cochran's campaign encouraged and thus participated in voter fraud by promising to continue bringing the pork back to Mississippi.
He has become a poster-boy for all that is wrong not just in the GOP, but in U.S. politics as a whole. If I could vote for his opponent in the general, I would. It would be voter fraud as I am not a resident, but apparently that is OK with Cochran, so why not?
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
Nonsense. "Folks didn't think McDaniel, with all his ranting and raving against DC" were/are the people who do not, and never will, work a job. They are the folks whom progressives lead around by the nose with the free giveaway carrot dangling in front of them.
You are the one who doesn't get it. Honor is honor and principles are principles. Without them we are nothing but rabble, fodder for the political elite to use to gain power.
Man, one person's "principle" is another person's good paying shipbuilding job on the coast of MS. You can believe what you what to believe but jobs are jobs and Thad helped his MS folks with good paying jobs...same as Robert Byrd did in WV and many others did and still do. I know it drives you folks nuts but good jobs translate into votes for Thad.....the REP party knew that and worked the MS to their benefit and outfoxed the Tea Party folks....and outworked them too. Hopefully the hurt will go away and REP Party in MS can unify and join hands and defeat the LIB DEM's in MS and in the other races in the country so we can get the Senate back and then the White House in 2016 and get this country back on track. Poutin' and complain'n won't beat the LIB's...let's get together to get 'er done.[:)]
If the shipbuilders in MS were the best choice, Cochran did nothing. If they were not the best choice, Cochran interfered with the efficiency of the process and cost the U.S. Treasury money.
Sadly, personal greed is a motivator to too many voters. That politicians advertise this brand of governance is shameful.
On balance, it sounds like the country would be better served if the MS Senator-elect has less power, regardless of party or ideology.
Brad Steele