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the pope on world problems
the pope has been weighting on world problems, guns and god don,t mix, globle warming and the worlds poor to name a few. but he has armed guards, never goes to bed cold or hungry, does not work or pay bills, in other wards he has every thing done or given to him at no charge by others and he even has his own little country to rule over like a mimi king and the people just keep sending in their money(a lot goes to paying law suits for pedifiles in the church). the church,s have all ways told the poor and down trodden to bare the burdens of being poor as heaven will be better, while they for most of the part have lived a high life style. i guess if all you do is sit around having men kiss your ring you get bored and have to have a hobby. mr myopic.
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I was brought up by a very Catholic mother but it never took. I don't detest the church but I have little use of it. I don't see the church as much more than a political entity that wraps itself in religion. This pope tends to confirm my opinion.
The Vatican's wealth is reported at between $10-15 BILLION $$$$. Maybe the should start sending some of that out to the faithful that are starving in the streets across the world .....
As head of the Church, the former is a wonderful qualification. He is in fact very modest; he has eschewed much of the finery his predecessors had, often drives himself to his own appointments (surely with armed guard though) and so on. A very good Catholic by all accounts.
The latter though, his political naivety, means that as a world leader he is out of his depth.
I will give him one nod though. His experience with socialism (in fact true Communism) is born of being part of the Jesuit order; and, within the confines of a small religious order, where all members agree to mutual poverty and communal living, communism DOES work just fine. His mistake is that he thinks that it will/can/should work for all.
Same thing with guns. IN a perfect world, guns would NOT be needed... but ours really IS a world ruled by the aggressive use of force or threat thereof, and as such, they have a place.
As for climate change... well, the man isn't uneducated, he has an M.A. in Chemistry. I suspect he just sat in the liberal propaganda university system too long and heard it all preached about how man is evil, man is destroying the planet, etc. When global warming became a thing 20 years ago, that grafted onto his existing upbringing and education easily.
You could say the same about any religion...Tammy Faye Bakker come to mind?....How about the smiling preacher from Texas....???... The Church is under siege......been that way for 2000 years...the only perfect religion is none....[:o)]
Robert Tilton is the smiling shyster from Texas. I noticed the scum dripping off that lowlife the first time I saw him. There is no shortage of corrupt preachers in the Church. I can't spend much time worrying about them. They will answer for their actions. I will answer for mine.
It isn't the Christian Church that isn't perfect. It's all the human members including the preachers and popes.
The Church is under siege and will be until Christ returns.
IBTL.. Enough on the Religion Threads
So,you would have us all pay homage to Chevrolet?[:o)]
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
You could say the same about any religion...Tammy Faye Bakker come to mind?....How about the smiling preacher from Texas....???... The Church is under siege......been that way for 2000 years...the only perfect religion is none....[:o)]
Robert Tilton is the smiling shyster from Texas. I noticed the scum dripping off that lowlife the first time I saw him. There is no shortage of corrupt preachers in the Church. I can't spend much time worrying about them. They will answer for their actions. I will answer for mine.
It isn't the Christian Church that isn't perfect. It's all the human members including the preachers and popes.
The Church is under siege and will be until Christ returns.
...Its Joel O'Steen....has his own Jet,and it doesn't belong to the church....
quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
interesting how MANY people come at the USA wagging one finger out front hollering SHAME and holding the other hand out for free money
...Its Joel O'Steen....has his own Jet,and it doesn't belong to the church....
Ah-sooo...there are twooo smiling rich preachers in Texas. I know next to nothing about Joel O'Steen. I didn't even know he is based in Texas. [:0] [:I]
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
...Its Joel O'Steen....has his own Jet,and it doesn't belong to the church....
Ah-sooo...there are twooo smiling rich preachers in Texas. I know next to nothing about Joel O'Steen. I didn't even know he is based in Texas. [:0] [:I]
Houston....fills the Astrodome.....and takes the money,while smiling....
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
IBTL.. Enough on the Religion Threads
So,you would have us all pay homage to Chevrolet?[:o)]
Chevrolets are not banned on this forum. Religion is. Or was...
Those of us who have been exposed to the Catholic Church and have looked at it objectively usually come away with an understanding of how things work. There's the theological side which at least attempts to share the words of Christ and then the political side which tends to the worldly interests of a very large institution. Very often words and actions don't coordinate well.
This thread is about a man who happens to head a large political organization. He happens to at best be a socialist and quite possibly more closely aligned with the views of Marx or Lenin than we're comfortable with. So be it.
Bottom line here is that I see little discussion of Catholicism or religion. This thread is simply about a man and his politics.
Ahh... Here's the thing. Some equate religion to the pope. Don't! The pope is merely a man. Certainly he's the titular head of the Catholic Church but he's nothing more.
Those of us who have been exposed to the Catholic Church and have looked at it objectively usually come away with an understanding of how things work. There's the theological side which at least attempts to share the words of Christ and then the political side which tends to the worldly interests of a very large institution. Very often words and actions don't coordinate well.
This thread is about a man who happens to head a large political organization. He happens to at best be a socialist and quite possibly more closely aligned with the views of Marx or Lenin than we're comfortable with. So be it.
Bottom line here is that I see little discussion of Catholicism or religion. This thread is simply about a man and his politics.
Well if it is about the Pope it is about the Catholic Church. Plenty of crap on this thread and forum about religion. I reckon I will start posting about other religions. Let see how that goes. This forum said long ago.. NO religious threads.
But, on account of one member getting his knickers in a twist over it, I am moving it to Politics.
I understand your point and I agree right up until you state that the pope IS the church. Very much unlike other Christian religions the Catholic Church is both a religious and a political entity. This thread is about the politics of a man who happens to also be the head of a religious organization.
As much as I understand empathy for the poor and the fact that this pope doesn't appear to embrace all the luxuries afforded his position, I also understand that unfortunately the man is using his position in the church to advance a political agenda that actually may be in conflict with the teachings of Catholicism.
And then getting into bed with Obama. Tell me this isn't political.
We can continue this discussion but I believe it's best not to do so. Your analogy to a police officer is somewhat flawed in that you assume an officer is on duty 100% of the time. Not so! The fact is that many officers also have side jobs having nothing to do with police work. This isn't to say that an officer can't be called to duty outside his or her normal hours of course.
I would opine that the pope is much the same. He has a church to run and a business to attend to. I'd be the first to admit that there might be an unholy mix in the case of the pope and church, but in theory church is church and business is business.
It's reasonable to argue that the church is mandated to be guided by dogma and history. The pope is expected to follow rules and traditions set in place over centuries. This guy seems intent on an Obamaesque papacy wherein the rules no longer matter.
Blaming the church or calling this a religious thread is simply inappropriate. If you follow the teachings of the Catholic Church you'll never see any indication of political authority granted to the pope by his boss. The fact is that Christ admonished us to render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God. In the case of the papacy I believe this is a clear instruction not to mix big business or politics and religion. This pope is as political as one could ever hope to be no matter how good his intentions.
Anytime one mention the Pope it is about Religion.
I remember when I was a kid, a friend of mine was terrified of the "Sisters of Mercy"....he thought if he got close to them they would hide him under their big skirts,and whisk him a way to live in a secular life...is this what this thread is about...being whisked away by imagination?[:o)]