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What every Trump supporter should know...
Just read this today. Not meaning to start fights, just supplying information you won't hear from the lamestream media.
Trump is likely in the race to hand the election to Hilly. He's not Conservative.
"But before his recent conversion, the views he expressed over the years would make him a mainstream Democrat. This is the great irony of the current moment in American political life: The man leading the primary of a party whose recent success owes largely to a shift rightward has never really been a Republican.
Trump described himself as "very liberal on health care" and was an advocate of a single-payer health insurance system, a view that puts him to the left of Barack Obama. He long considered himself "very pro-choice" and was in favor of drug legalization. Trump once called Mitt Romney's self-deportation proposal "crazy" and "maniacal." Trump said Obama's $787 billion stimulus was "what we need" and added, "It looks like we have somebody that knows what he is doing finally in office."
As those comments suggest, Trump didn't think George W. Bush did a very good job in office. But he didn't stop there. Trump said Bush was "evil."
Trump's financial support for Democrats over the years has been well documented, with checks to Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, and others. That's no surprise, since he said in 2004, "I identify more as a Democrat." He praised Nancy Pelosi as "the best" when she became speaker of the House in 2007. That same year, he said of a prospective Hillary Clinton in the White House: "I think Hillary would do a good job."
To put it mildly, Trump is an uncomfortable fit in the Republican party. And that's why he is unlikely to be there at the end of this process."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/crowded-field-dreams_996630.html?page=3
Trump is likely in the race to hand the election to Hilly. He's not Conservative.
"But before his recent conversion, the views he expressed over the years would make him a mainstream Democrat. This is the great irony of the current moment in American political life: The man leading the primary of a party whose recent success owes largely to a shift rightward has never really been a Republican.
Trump described himself as "very liberal on health care" and was an advocate of a single-payer health insurance system, a view that puts him to the left of Barack Obama. He long considered himself "very pro-choice" and was in favor of drug legalization. Trump once called Mitt Romney's self-deportation proposal "crazy" and "maniacal." Trump said Obama's $787 billion stimulus was "what we need" and added, "It looks like we have somebody that knows what he is doing finally in office."
As those comments suggest, Trump didn't think George W. Bush did a very good job in office. But he didn't stop there. Trump said Bush was "evil."
Trump's financial support for Democrats over the years has been well documented, with checks to Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, and others. That's no surprise, since he said in 2004, "I identify more as a Democrat." He praised Nancy Pelosi as "the best" when she became speaker of the House in 2007. That same year, he said of a prospective Hillary Clinton in the White House: "I think Hillary would do a good job."
To put it mildly, Trump is an uncomfortable fit in the Republican party. And that's why he is unlikely to be there at the end of this process."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/crowded-field-dreams_996630.html?page=3
Comments
http://www.youngcons.com/bill-clinton-urged-donald-trump-to-run-for-president-saw-it-as-a-way-to-divide-republicans-give-hillary-a-better-chance/
its the sme yhing perot did in 92
But I think Perot was sincerely Rightwing, whereas Trump is pretty obviously Leftwing and just trying to split the Conservative vote so Hilly will win (if she doesn't go to prison first.)
Trump supporters need to know this info and switch to Rubio, Cruz, or Fiorina (etc.) - real Conservatives.
Can we climb out of the toilet and make our way to the shower as a nation? I don't know, but the sooner we can double or triple or quadruple the number of angry Americans in this country, the sooner we might be able to put a party of rebels together and put the progressive politicians where they belong...in the toliet. So why not use The Trumpster to this end, because the only way we can increase our chances to rebel is to have a whole lot more angry Americans than we do at the present.
The smart people are already figuring this out. The not-so-smart ones are no different from the Obama Borgs, no amount of information will sway them.
Yes. But, sadly, they'll both be working for Hilly - the not-so-smart just won't realize it.
Hopefully Donny boy will say something extra stupid or crude and his support will evaporate. If Conservatives actually support him, then Hilly will be our next dictator.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
The smart people are already figuring this out. The not-so-smart ones are no different from the Obama Borgs, no amount of information will sway them.
Yes. But, sadly, they'll both be working for Hilly - the not-so-smart just won't realize it.
Hopefully Donny boy will say something extra stupid or crude and his support will evaporate. If Conservatives actually support him, then Hilly will be our next dictator.
This is true, Trump is a stalking bait critter.
The smart people are already figuring this out. The not-so-smart ones are no different from the Obama Borgs, no amount of information will sway them.
http://www.youngcons.com/bill-clinton-urged-donald-trump-to-run-for-president-saw-it-as-a-way-to-divide-republicans-give-hillary-a-better-chance/
You mean those who are content with the status quo, don't you?
Trump is deliberately trying to divide the Conservative vote - and if he's not nominated he may very well start a third party like Perot, thus giving the election to perhaps the worst Socialist Demorat in history.
We can't let that happen.
The status quo for the past seven years has been Socialism. Turning away from that like Rubio, Cruz, etc. want to do would not be voting for the status quo - it would be voting against it.
kimi, I basically agree with you, but a third party would be suicide for the country. Americans need to get mad at the Social'rats and throw their weight to a Cruz or Fiorina, etc. - true Conservatives. Just because they're Republicans does not make them as evil as the Social'rats. They are far from it.
Trump is deliberately trying to divide the Conservative vote - and if he's not nominated he may very well start a third party like Perot, thus giving the election to perhaps the worst Socialist Demorat in history.
We can't let that happen.
I fully understand what you are saying, but I've had it with the abusive treatment that these two parties dish out to the common traditional American citizen, most especially the way these scumbags treat southerners as the sons and daughters of terrorists. The sooner we get rid of their kind, the better off this country will be.
Added: If Cruz had any backbone, he'd stand by Texas and its Confederate history.
So you anti trump guys want just another shiny polished politician in office? He'll blow smoke up your butt all day long and apparently you enjoy it. Nothing will change, nothing at all. The country will continue to fall in to Euro-Socialism. The county will continue to succumb to illegal immigration but apparently you'll be happy that your shiny politician is in office as you smell his/her freshly puffed smoke.
I fully understand what you are saying, but I've had it with the abusive treatment that these two parties dish out to the common traditional American citizen, most especially the way these scumbags treat southerners as the sons and daughters of terrorists. The sooner we get rid of their kind, the better off this country will be.
I don't think I've heard Republicans say those things about Southerners. Whereas I've heard many Social'rats constantly say nasty things like that. They are, after all, leading the attack against the Stars and Bars.
I'll grant you that a few Republicans have gone along with that (I was very disappointed with Nikki Haley,) but the fact remains that most Conservative Republicans support what you and I believe in - whereas the Social'rats like 'bama spit on us with contempt.
A third party with Trump or anyone else will be a disaster for the country.
If you want America to continue to plunge into Euro-Socialism, then vote for Trump or another third party. Hilly will thank you.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/08/carly_a_flawed_candidate.html
Lastly, it may be that Bill Clinton smartly worked Trump's ego and urged him to run to split the GOP.
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I fully understand what you are saying, but I've had it with the abusive treatment that these two parties dish out to the common traditional American citizen, most especially the way these scumbags treat southerners as the sons and daughters of terrorists. The sooner we get rid of their kind, the better off this country will be.
I don't think I've heard Republicans say those things about Southerners. Whereas I've heard many Social'rats constantly say nasty things like that. They are, after all, leading the attack against the Stars and Bars.
I'll grant you that a few Republicans have gone along with that (I was very disappointed with Nikki Haley,) but the fact remains that most Conservative Republicans support what you and I believe in - whereas the Social'rats like 'bama spit on us with contempt.
A third party with Trump or anyone else will be a disaster for the country.
Popgun, it is the 'rats that do it the most, but then you have the McCains and the Grahams that run the GOP, and they are warmongers to boot!!!!!! As far people like Cruz and Mike Huckabee they took the easy way out and simply told the media, and consequently the entire world, what Fiorina said "...it's up to South Carolinians whether or not the flag still flies in their state," instead of telling the media and the progressives to stop supporting such race hustling agenda BS! Enter the typical political whores' answer and their free pass to immediate fame and membership in the person of convictions club.
Dondo, the info in my article is easily verifiable.
If you want America to continue to plunge into Euro-Socialism, then vote for Trump or another third party. Hilly will thank you.
[url][/url]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/08/06/no_coincidences_clinton_trump_phone_call_story_drops_on_eve_of_debate
They are all rats addicted to themselves
One of the best definitions I've heard recently.
Carly is a million times better than Hilly. It should be obvious to anyone who's not a Socialist. But look at the other candidates and pick the one who, for you, is most Christlike. That's fine.
kimi, I'm afraid the kind of person you want elected cannot and will never be elected. Even the southern Republicans have to be moderate in what they say on such hot issues. They cannot answer: "To Hell with you, you Commie-pinko Yankees!" or anything like that. They would be considered extremist (even in the South) and would never get elected.
I am not a fan of McCain or Graham, etc., but they are FAR better than a Clinton or a 'bama - and they can be elected. I think Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina and others are true Conservative and would be infinitely better choices than Hilly or other Demo Socialists.
Donde, I would never believe anything a Clinton operative said. If you and Ruch want to believe Donny is a pure Conservative, fine. But he or any third Party candidate will destroy America beyond salvation.
We can still turn things around from 'bama (though it will be difficult and take years,) but if Hilly gains power she will solidify Socialism into America, and it will be beyond saving, except for armed revolt.
I'm prepared for that, but would rather not see it come if we can avoid it by voting for Conservative, Capitalist leaders like the Republicans have so many of right now.
Tfitz, you a union man? I know they despise Walker for taking much of their power away from them. If nobody likes him, how come he's won three election in the last four years? It appears someone likes him a lot.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
The smart people are already figuring this out. The not-so-smart ones are no different from the Obama Borgs, no amount of information will sway them.
http://www.youngcons.com/bill-clinton-urged-donald-trump-to-run-for-president-saw-it-as-a-way-to-divide-republicans-give-hillary-a-better-chance/
You mean those who are content with the status quo, don't you?
No, unlike Trump, I mean exactly what I say. Anyone that would vote for Trump, given the revelations that have come out in the past two weeks is just a moron that doesn't give a damn about this country.
Rubio, Walker, Cruz, Paul, almost anyone else in the Republican running would be better than Trump. Like Obama had to learn, your boasts can overload what your * can accomplish once elected and again like Obama, Trump is petty enough to act like a jerk dealing with it.
A rational, pragmatic and intelligent MAN is who needs to be President.
Perot did not cost Bush the election, Bush cost Bush the election. The Republican cans never admit it when people do no want what they are selling. It cost the when Clinton got elected twice and Obama got elected twice. In every one of those elections it was the republican's race to lose, and they did just that.
Maybe some of you folks will get what you're asking for, a main stream republican candidate and a democrat for president.
" The Republican cans never admit it when people do no want what they are selling."
Freedom from Demorat Socialism?
"In every one of those elections it was the republican's race to lose, and they did just that."
No, Willie was always popular, and 'bama was a god in 2008 (at least a lot of stupid people thought so.) Bush might have won in '92 if he had run harder (I wish he had,) but the other elections were pretty much ordained for the Socialists. Dole was a terrible candidate for the Reps in '96.
If we get a Demorat Prez, it'll be because of Trump (and likely deliberately so.)
hobo, No. It would never happen (he's stated he wants Oprah,) and he would still be Prez. A Carly/Donny ticket - maybe (but he'd probably have her assassinated and then take over.)
You Anti Trumper's have zero evidence that it's a Clinton conspiracy. I'm sure you are aware the Bush family and Clinton's are very close, right? I'm sure Bill called Bush 41 and his father many MANY times.
So you anti trump guys want just another shiny polished politician in office? He'll blow smoke up your butt all day long and apparently you enjoy it. Nothing will change, nothing at all. The country will continue to fall in to Euro-Socialism. The county will continue to succumb to illegal immigration but apparently you'll be happy that your shiny politician is in office as you smell his/her freshly puffed smoke.
Well trump did support Obama when he called for the Execution of Edward Snowden.
Sorry scout, but I call bullpucky.
" The Republican cans never admit it when people do no want what they are selling."
Freedom from Demorat Socialism?
"In every one of those elections it was the republican's race to lose, and they did just that."
No, Willie was always popular, and 'bama was a god in 2008 (at least a lot of stupid people thought so.) Bush might have won in '92 if he had run harder (I wish he had,) but the other elections were pretty much ordained for the Socialists. Dole was a terrible candidate for the Reps in '96.
If we get a Demorat Prez, it'll be because of Trump (and likely deliberately so.)
hobo, No. It would never happen (he's stated he wants Oprah,) and he would still be Prez. A Carly/Donny ticket - maybe (but he'd probably have her assassinated and then take over.)
Sorry boss, just more excuses. Stay to point, I wasn't addressing what the democrats are or can do, I was discussing republicans. Races are often lost with the choice the party makes for their candidate. For example, 96, 08, and 12. The races were lost in the primaries.
When you have a party talking one line but passing bills that do not support the talk, people notice. When you run candidates that do the same thing, talk one line and act contrary to it, people notice. When the republican party runs candidates that offer no real alternative to the democrat, the democrat wins.
Like I said all those races were the the republicans to lose, and they did.
A party, just like a man, isn't what it says it is what it does. Based on the republicans record of bigger government, increased debt, and intrusion on personal liberties, tell me what makes them worth voting for.
If they would walk the line they talk they wouldn't have a problem, they don't. If the democrats weren't so messed up the republican party would be dead. The only reason they made a come back at all is because the democrats passed ACA and some other anti-American legislation. The only reason the democrats were in a position to do so is because to the republicans absolute failure when they held the power.
Like I said, your opening post is rhetoric straight from the RNC. They do not want anyone who will not do as told.
quote:Races are often lost with the choice the party makes for their candidate. For example, 96, 08, and 12. The races were lost in the primaries.
I don't think any Republican could have stopped 'bama in '08. His campaign was a perfect storm against the Reps. Everything went right for him, and everything went wrong for the Reps. I agree about the other elections. Mitt would have made a good Prez, but he refused to hammer on 'bamacare, so millions of Conservatives stayed home on election day. Perhaps you were one of them.
quote:When you have a party talking one line but passing bills that do not support the talk, people notice.
Many still refuse to notice 'bama and his endless lies. They don't seem to care, sadly.
quote:When you run candidates that do the same thing, talk one line and act contrary to it, people notice.
Ditto my last paragraph.
quote: When the republican party runs candidates that offer no real alternative to the democrat, the democrat wins.
I don't see how anyone could say 'bama was the "same" as Mitt or McCain. Those who paid attention knew he was a radical Socialist. I'm no big fan of Mitt or McCain, but they are nowhere near as Left as 'bama has been. They wouldn't have been Socialist dictators nor used the IRS and EPA as their personal Gestapos.
quote:A party, just like a man, isn't what it says it is what it does. Based on the republicans record of bigger government, increased debt, and intrusion on personal liberties, tell me what makes them worth voting for.
Because compared to the Socialist 'rats the Reps are downright reactionary. I'm not saying I agree with them on everything, but they are FAR better than the 'rats.
They want to get elected - and know they can't if they are as hardcore Right as you and others want them to be. Many years ago George Will - hardly a Leftist - wrote that America had gotten to the point that the majority of the people (ever moderates and Conservatives)wanted and expected a certain degree of government providing them with things. That it was no longer the America of the 40's and 50's. He said the difference of the parties was in how much government assistance they were willing to provide.
The 'rats went full "Santa Claus," of course, not giving a damn about it's effect on the economy; whereas the Reps supported some government aid - but not nearly as much as the 'rats wanted. The Reps were FAR better stewards of the Capitalist economy, whereas the 'rats have pushed us nearer and nearer to Socialism.
That's the difference between the parties. Thanks to 'bama the gap between the parties has gotten wider and wider as he shoves his party and the country further and further to the Left.
The 'rats need to be stopped, and only the Reps can do it. No third party, like the Losertarians, is ever going to stop them, and third parties usually just embarrass themselves with low numbers (though it's members are too extreme to even realize or admit it.)
quote:If they would walk the line they talk they wouldn't have a problem, they don't.
They do far more than the 'rats, and that's the difference. They would never win an election if they talked like you want them to.
quote:If the democrats weren't so messed up the republican party would be dead. The only reason they made a come back at all is because the democrats passed ACA and some other anti-American legislation. The only reason the democrats were in a position to do so is because to the republicans absolute failure when they held the power.
Have to disagree. Neither party holds government for more than about two terms. Bush one was an exception. Two terms is the usual limit, as both parties screw up and turn the people against them after 8 years - temporarily. If Trump doesn't screw up the Reps with a third party run, I think the odds are very good that the Reps will prevail next year. They'd better, as I believe America will be dead if Hilly or any other Social'rat gets in the WH.
quote:Like I said, your opening post is rhetoric straight from the RNC. They do not want anyone who will not do as told.
They also do not want someone who is possibly a plant from Willie and Hilly Clinton. Someone who has a long record of supporting Demorats and their issues. http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/make-america-great-again#.tfYR5JNK6V
Someone who might just be telling you what you want to hear - hope and change and all that.
I hope as the election draws closer you and others might consider a candidate like Carly or Scott Walker. Neither is perfect. Neither is Jesus. But they and several others are infinitely better than any Demorat.
You have listed reason not to vote for democrats. I'm with you, I do not vote for democrats. However you have not given good reasons to vote for republicans. The republican line of "vote for us because we are not as bad as them" has been voided by the American people. 2008 and 2012 proves this but the NRC refuses to accept it.
Obama didn't get enough votes to win, the republican just failed to get the votes available to them because they really had nothing to offer. In 2008 and 2012 there was more then enough voters that refused to vote for the republican, because of the republicans actions, to have defeated Obama, even allowing for all the vote he got. People just refused to vote for the republican.
We have several local republicans that walk the walk, we worked hard to get them in office. To do it we had the fight the local and state republican party leaders. The republican party on all levels here does not want people who believe in limited powers for the government. We worked hard to get the US congressional seat from the democrats in 2010, and we did. The man we backed and helped get elected has failed to walk the walk. He lied and is a good little republican solider, just what we didn't want. Finding a strong candidate to replace him has been rough. It took a lot of energy out of people when he failed to produce after all the effort to get him elected.
I can vote for a republican candidate, I can't vote for a mainstream republican, I simply do not agree with their agenda. Not being a democrat isn't enough reason.
In the meantime, here is a good reason - considering what we're going through now, and will go through if Hilly gets in - to support at least some Rep candidates (her and those who share her views.) Carly is a very refreshing change from the 'rat Left.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/wondering-about-carly-fiorinas-stance-on-the-2nd-amendment-wonder-no-more/
I thought, maybe, we were going to have an intelligent discourse on this subject. I see we are not. You are touting the exact stuff coming out of the RNC and, just like them, after all the losses, you still can't accept people do not want what you are selling. It's not their fault, it's the ignorance of the people.
The Republicans are FAR more for freedom - gun rights and general freedom - than are the Social'rats. A third party candidate cannot win.
You're right. Its hard to have an intelligent conversation with some people.
What a joke as they pull the wool over your eyes! It's all a dog and pony show and The two party system is a scam on WE THE PEOPLE! The NWO is well on it's way to fruition bet on it! All Hail Caesar!
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You go ahead and do nothing - or vote for someone who has no chance in Hell of winning and making any kind of a significant difference. Then, when the next Socialist Demorat prez proposes a law to confiscate all your firearms, you complain loudly on how terrible that is and that we need to do "something" about it.
The Republicans are FAR more for freedom - gun rights and general freedom - than are the Social'rats. A third party candidate cannot win.
You're right. Its hard to have an intelligent conversation with some people.
Please show me the difference between a (D) controlled congress and a (R) controlled congress....... None is the correct answer.
The (R) party swore an oath to repeal Obamacare, is it done? NO. The (R) party promised to control our borders, is it done? NO. The (R) party promised to have a federal budget, has it been done? NO. The (R) party promised to act like adults and do the nations business, have they done it? NO! For a few years it was because they did not "control" the senate, now they do and have done exactly NOTHING.
The problem is Sir, folks have put their heads in the sand on how corrupt the (R) party truly is, John Boehner is no different than Nancy Pelosi and by his actions, deeds and words, it is highly likely he squats to pee. The (R) party is ROTTEN TO THE VERY CORE, just like the (D) party is.