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Belief in ?God? As a Mental Illness ?

serfserf Member Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭
edited October 2015 in Politics
Soon the the world's governments will sanction what a true belief in God is. Hint! It's not going to be pretty in the end!

Now please give us your DNA sample so we can weed you stupid people out!

serf

American Psychological Association Classifies Belief in "God" As Mental Illness

http://www.celebtricity.com/american-psychological-association-classifies-belief-in-god-as-mental-illness/#

All of these are signs of a mental break and a loss of touch with reality. Religious belief and the angry God phenomenon has caused chaos, destruction, death, and wars for centuries. The time for evolving into a modern society and classifying these archaic beliefs as a mental disorder has been long overdue. This is the first of many steps to a positive direction."

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  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 38,925
    edited November -1
    many workers in this field are mentally ill
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 38,925
    edited November -1
    i would wager muslims are exempt and therefore would not have the govt breaking down their doors for treatment or re-education...and sometime in this line of thinking their agenda will be required teaching in public schools
  • Tech141Tech141 Member Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Think about it.........

    The APA says Belief In God is a mental illness. You cannot possess firearms if you have a mental illness. Therefore, everyone who professes to believe in God will have their Constitutionally enumerated right to Keep and Bear Arms denied.

    It is definitely a war on Christianity, and all who believe in God.
  • RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060
    edited November -1
    They're a few years late. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels beat them to it in 1848.
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Tech141
    Think about it.........

    The APA says Belief In God is a mental illness. You cannot possess firearms if you have a mental illness. Therefore, everyone who professes to believe in God will have their Constitutionally enumerated right to Keep and Bear Arms denied.

    It is definitely a war on Christianity, and all who believe in God.




    That is not what is being said.

    There is no reason to make it out to be worse than what it is.
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by Tech141
    Think about it.........

    The APA says Belief In God is a mental illness. You cannot possess firearms if you have a mental illness. Therefore, everyone who professes to believe in God will have their Constitutionally enumerated right to Keep and Bear Arms denied.

    It is definitely a war on Christianity, and all who believe in God.







    That is not what is being said.

    There is no reason to make it out to be worse than what it is.



    Yes it's a matter of interpretation yet kiss freedom of expression good bye. If I/you believe in miracles or visions and prophecies then your mad under science!

    If your a denier of Evolution your mad too!

    Take off the blinders Once again your dealing in absolutes.

    Yes firearms are under attack and you can only enforce death by for The NWO now. The state is becoming the religion your just too blind.

    serf
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No, it is not what is being said.

    Try reading the link and trying to comprehend for yourself, instead of letting some blog tell you what to think.

    Do you actually believe that there are "Sweet Chinese women ready to date U" as well ?
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • Tech141Tech141 Member Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Barzilla,

    Do you really trust our government in its present form that much? Personally, I wouldn't put anything past them no matter how unbelievable.
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Tech141
    Barzilla,

    Do you really trust our government in its present form that much? Personally, I wouldn't put anything past them no matter how unbelievable.



    The APA is not the government.

    The decision was based upon a very practical indicator in common use today to determine competency and significant illness.

    It is not about a trust in government, but rather, pointing out that the claims in the original post are absurd.

    I don't think many mature believers are under any serious misconceptions about the possible cost of their faith.

    At least, they shouldn't be.
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • us55840us55840 Member Posts: 31,229 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Without morality/belief in God/10 Commandments this world would be in the toilet ~ and it's quickly getting that way. [}:)]
    "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln
  • us55840us55840 Member Posts: 31,229 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by serf
    Soon the the world's governments will sanction what a true belief in God is. Hint! It's not going to be pretty in the end!

    Now please give us your DNA sample so we can weed you stupid people out!

    serf

    American Psychological Association Classifies Belief in "God" As Mental Illness

    http://www.celebtricity.com/american-psychological-association-classifies-belief-in-god-as-mental-illness/#

    All of these are signs of a mental break and a loss of touch with reality. Religious belief and the angry God phenomenon has caused chaos, destruction, death, and wars for centuries. The time for evolving into a modern society and classifying these archaic beliefs as a mental disorder has been long overdue. This is the first of many steps to a positive direction."




    It is continually mystifying to me how ANYONE can doubt the power & wisdom of God! Without Him, we are nothing! "He moves in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform".




    An incredible way to look at GOD
    #8203;
    When GOD solves our problems, we have faith in HIS abilities. When GOD doesn't solve our problems HE has faith in our abilities. God's accuracy may be observed in the hatching of eggs. . . . .
    -those of the Massengill in 14 days;
    -those of the barnyard hen in 21 days;
    -eggs of ducks and geese in 28 days;
    -those of the mallard in 35 days;
    -The eggs of the parrot and the ostrich hatch in 42 days. (Notice, they are all divisible by seven, the number of days in a week!)

    God's wisdom is seen in the making of an elephant. . . .
    -The four legs of this great beast all bend forward in the same direction.
    - No other quadruped is so made.
    - God planned that this animal would have a huge body too large to live on two legs.
    - For this reason He gave it four fulcrums so that it can rise from the ground easily.
    -The horse rises from the ground on its two front legs first.
    - A cow rises from the ground with its two hind legs first.

    How wise the Lord is in all His works of creation!
    -Each watermelon has an even number of stripes on the rind.
    -Each orange has an even number of segments.
    -Each ear of corn has an even number of rows.
    - Each stalk of wheat has an even number of grains.
    -Every bunch of bananas has on its lowest row an even number of bananas, and each row decreases by one, so that one row has an even number and the next row an odd number.

    Amazing.

    -The waves of the sea roll in on shore twenty-six to the minute in all kinds of weather.
    -All grains are found in even numbers on the stalks.

    God has caused the flowers to blossom at certain specified times during the day. Linnaeus, the great botanist, once said that if he had a conservatory containing the right kind of soil, moisture and temperature, he could tell the time of day or night by the flowers that were open and those that were closed.

    The lives of each of us may be ordered by the Lord in a beautiful way for His glory, if we will only entrust Him with our life. If we try to regulate our own life, it will only be a mess and a failure.

    Only God, who made our brain and heart, can successfully guide them to a profitable end.

    I pray God blesses you in ways you never even dreamed.


    My I add; I choose to believe ~ you may believe or not as you choose.
    [^]
    "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln
  • pip5255pip5255 Member Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The government has no rights. Only the PEOPLE have rights that empower the government.

    This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It is they way it is. The way we cope with it, is what makes the difference.

    All comments posted here are my opinion as expressed via the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.
    just because you could doesn't mean you should
  • Lazerus1Lazerus1 Member Posts: 52
    edited November -1
    Insainity is doing the same thing expecting different results.

    Everytime I turn my cheek I prove that I am insaine.

    When they come for my guns I'll be cured.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by Tech141
    Think about it.........

    The APA says Belief In God is a mental illness. You cannot possess firearms if you have a mental illness. Therefore, everyone who professes to believe in God will have their Constitutionally enumerated right to Keep and Bear Arms denied.

    It is definitely a war on Christianity, and all who believe in God.

    That is not what is being said.

    There is no reason to make it out to be worse than what it is.
    I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article, but that is about what the article says. It may be an unintended consequence, but a consequence none the less.

    The only thing I can disagree with Tech141 on is it doesn't appear to be a war on Christianity, it appears to be a war on ALL religion.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not to be rude, or get personal, but have you ever known somebody with a significant mental illness ?

    Trying to apply a protective religious label to delusions of being Jesus, or communing with satan, or the like, when such destroy a person's ability to function safely in society, is absurd.

    Especially when it comes in the form of conspiracy fears.


    Good grief.
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Jehovah Witnesses are here with us today,they refuse to take blood from another source other than their own.They can now be deemed insane or crazy if they ot their off spring dies and the government has tried to take their religious rights away.

    Yet many have died taking tainted blood with infusions! Now who is insane now Barzillia?

    This is another step where secular powers have deemed themselves as Superior over your own bodies and your Children.

    serf



    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    Not to be rude, or get personal, but have you ever known somebody with a significant mental illness ?

    Trying to apply a protective religious label to delusions of being Jesus, or communing with satan, or the like, when such destroy a person's ability to function safely in society, is absurd.

    Especially when it comes in the form of conspiracy fears.


    Good grief.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:With the new classification, the APA will lobby to introduce legislation which would allow doctors the right to force life-saving treatment on those who refuse it for spiritual reasons on the grounds that they are mentally incapable of making decisions about their health.
    I'm sure the APA has the best of intentions. Intentions are rarely codified in legislation and even more rarely considered by a court of law.
    quote:The APA is not the government.
    Once the legislation is signed into law, the APA becomes the de facto government.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by serf


    Jehovah Witnesses are here with us today,they refuse to take blood from another source other than their own.They can now be deemed insane or crazy if they ot their off spring dies and the government has tried to take their religious rights away.

    Yet many have died taking tainted blood with infusions! Now who is insane now Barzillia?

    This is another step where secular powers have deemed themselves as Superior over your own bodies and your Children.

    serf





    Heh heh heh heh........seems you and the APA, then, are about 20 years behind the times.

    JW's can, by church decision, receive any blood product except whole blood, which is exceptionally rare and pretty well unavailable in this country. And if whole blood is received, it is no longer a disfellowshipping problem, if repented.

    Try to know what you are talking about, next time, for a change.

    But I am beginning to see why you might have a reason to be concerned.....
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    quote:With the new classification, the APA will lobby to introduce legislation which would allow doctors the right to force life-saving treatment on those who refuse it for spiritual reasons on the grounds that they are mentally incapable of making decisions about their health.
    I'm sure the APA has the best of intentions. Intentions are rarely codified in legislation and even more rarely considered by a court of law.
    quote:The APA is not the government.
    Once the legislation is signed into law, the APA becomes the de facto government.




    Tell me, where did you get that quote ?

    And why do you think it reliable ?

    The first site that I went to which originated that OPINION also maintains that Wal Mart is soon going to sell human breast milk in all their stores, and Viagra will soon cost $500 a pill.


    You guys are too easy.
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    Tell me, where did you get that quote ?

    And why do you think it reliable ?

    The first site that I went to which originated that OPINION also maintains that Wal Mart is soon going to sell human breast milk in all their stores, and Viagra will soon cost $500 a pill.


    You guys are too easy.

    In the original post there is a link to an article titled American Psychological Association Classifies Belief in "God" As Mental Illness

    The link: http://www.celebtricity.com/american-psychological-association-classifies-belief-in-god-as-mental-illness/#

    The quote is paragraph five from the article.

    The quote is no more or less reliable than the article it came from. As I mentioned in a earlier post, I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article, but that is what the article says.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Assessment_of_Functioning

    http://www.who.int/classifications/icf/WHODAS2.0_36itemsSELF.pdf



    The September 9 article you refer to is pretty well a re-hash of:

    http://www.thenewsnerd.com/health/apa-to-classify-belief-in-god-as-a-mental-illness/

    Where it appears to have originated several months earlier, back in July.

    It is always good to look upstream from where you drink.
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It appears to me you and serf are talking about two different things. serf's original post is about the American Psychological Association's actions and intentions. Your references are about the World Health Organization's assessment of general health conditions. The two things may or may not be loosely associated, but I don't see it.

    The bottom line question is simple. The American Psychological Association either did or didn't take the action alleged in the article. It should be fairly easy to find out. The article serf posted says "The American Psychological Association says more information about the study and the new classification will be made available to the public in their upcoming journal (which is expected to be release in early September)." Maybe somebody will look it up.

    I love the name the World Health Organization gave their questionnaire, WHODAS 2.0.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    It appears to me you and serf are talking about two different things. serf's original post is about the American Psychological Association's actions and intentions. Your references are about the World Health Organization's assessment of general health conditions. The two things may or may not be loosely associated, but I don't see it.

    The bottom line question is simple. The American Psychological Association either did or didn't take the action alleged in the article. It should be fairly easy to find out. The article serf posted says "The American Psychological Association says more information about the study and the new classification will be made available to the public in their upcoming journal (which is expected to be release in early September)." Maybe somebody will look it up.

    I love the name the World Health Organization gave their questionnaire, WHODAS 2.0.




    Neither serf, nor you, have the slightest clue of the APA intents.

    Nor do I.

    But if you want to resort to bullcrap blogs and websites for your guidance, that is up to you.

    Best of luck to you on that approach.

    It is not worth spending any further time on the matter, to me.
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,672 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know why the APA would lie about their intentions. This may be a blog we don't trust but they use attributed quotes. I think based on the quotes from people representing the APA I now have a clue.

    I agree with you that this discussion is going nowhere fast so I guess we can talk later on a different subject.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    I don't know why the APA would lie about their intentions. This may be a blog we don't trust but they use attributed quotes. I think based on the quotes from people representing the APA I now have a clue.

    I agree with you that this discussion is going nowhere fast so I guess we can talk later on a different subject.



    Why do you think the APA is saying anything at all about their intentions ?

    serf is recirculating a hoax that originated from a satirical website :

    "The stories posted on TheNewsNerd are for entertainment purposes only. The stories may mimic articles found in the headlines, but rest assured they are purely satirical."

    The News Nerd has previously published fake news articles about Leonardo DiCaprio wearing black face for an upcoming Martin Luther King biopic, Michael Vick being attacked by a pit bull, and George Zimmerman selling a painting of Trayvon Martin for $30,000.
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,402
    edited November -1
    When small children believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny it is amusing. When grown adults subscribe to such fantasies it is more disturbing. Worse yet when they kill people for those fantasies. We talk about Moslems but Christians,Jews & others do it as well. Just this week we heard about a Hindu mob that killed a man for eating beef.
    Time to grow up people, you are not children anymore.
  • olwesternboyolwesternboy Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well then I'm gonna go "full Jesus"on ya:
    Psalms 44:6 "For I will not trust in my bow,nor shall my sword save me".
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    It appears to me you and serf are talking about two different things. serf's original post is about the American Psychological Association's actions and intentions. Your references are about the World Health Organization's assessment of general health conditions. The two things may or may not be loosely associated, but I don't see it.

    The bottom line question is simple. The American Psychological Association either did or didn't take the action alleged in the article. It should be fairly easy to find out. The article serf posted says "The American Psychological Association says more information about the study and the new classification will be made available to the public in their upcoming journal (which is expected to be release in early September)." Maybe somebody will look it up.

    I love the name the World Health Organization gave their questionnaire, WHODAS 2.0.




    Neither serf, nor you, have the slightest clue of the APA intents.

    Nor do I.

    But if you want to resort to bullcrap blogs and websites for your guidance, that is up to you.

    Best of luck to you on that approach.

    It is not worth spending any further time on the matter, to me.


    The same can be said about you my friend! So you say The Jehovah Witnesses gave up the blood ban! What a joke! Whole blood fusions is what I was relating too!

    serf

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/08/judge-rules-jehovahs-witness-boy-blood-transfusion

    A high court judge has ruled that the son of two devout Jehovah's Witnesses can be given a blood transfusion despite religious objections from his parents.

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/blood/you-have-the-right-to-choose/
  • DerBarbarianDerBarbarian Member Posts: 252 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    the gullibility of some of the posters in this thread absolutely astonishes me. Much like Barzillia said I can definitely see why a few posters might be concerned about what the APA has to say..
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by DerBarbarian
    the gullibility of some of the posters in this thread absolutely astonishes me. Much like Barzillia said I can definitely see why a few posters might be concerned about what the APA has to say..


    They are crossing into not a black and white area but a grey area where science will condemn religious conceptions of what good and evil is.

    Like if Abortion is taking a life! Science says no! What a joke!~ I bet most here believe it too! Now who is delusional? Society as a whole is immoral! Believe it or not!

    serf

    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/the-bible-of-psychiatric-diagnosis-exempts-religion-from-delusions-even-though-it-is-one/

    Religion has been found to enhance remission in patients with medical and psychiatric disease who have established depression.16,17 The vast majority of these studies have focused on Christianity; there is a lack of research on other religious groups. Some research indicates an increased prevalence of depression among Jews.18

    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/the-bible-of-psychiatric-diagnosis-exempts-religion-from-delusions-even-though-it-is-one/

    "A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture (e.g. it is not an article of religious faith). When a false belief involves a value judgment, it is regarded as a delusion only when the judgment is so extreme as to defy credibility. Delusional conviction occurs on a continuum and can sometimes be inferred from an individual's behavior. It is often difficult to distinguish between a delusion and an overvalued idea (in which case the individual has an unreasonable belief or idea but does not hold it as firmly as is the case with a delusion)" (2000, p. 765).
  • BarzilliaBarzillia Member Posts: 21,863 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Anger has two children -.hope, and courage." Augustine, Bishop of Hippo

    "Und es wird nicht hineingehen irgend ein Gemeines und das da Greuel tut und Luge,
    sondern die geschrieben sind in dem Lebensbuch des Lammes."
  • serfserf Member Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschwind_syndrome

    [;)]


    Posting a link proves nothing but murdering innocence life's in the womb is a sin against humanity. Just like Adolf Hitler and the slaughtering of the Jews there is no difference.Just a mad government under science justifying death without mercy.

    serf
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sane logic would be that believing in nothing is a mental illness rather than believing in something what ever that might be.
    To believe that one can control the climate is mental illness. It is the same as hiring a rain dancer.
    Also- believing that God wants you to kill somebody is also insanity. Isn't it logical that if God wanted someone dead he is perfectly capable of doing so himself or else he isn't God.
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