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quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Barzillia, you are a crashing bore.
Got that?
Understand it?
Need a biblical citation to support the assertion?
"I find it hard to hate a man for whom I have prayed." D. Bonhoeffer
Try to focus Barzillia, There is an open question asked by the author of the OP. Several people have chimed in with ideas about the matter. Aside from "it depends", which is a non answer, incomplete and trollish do you have anything to add to the discussion?
Here is the question, C&P'd to help refresh your memory.
question: is Inequality of wealth necessarily bad and why?
Something else popped into mind on the inequality BS. Should the measuring stick be a 65 year old CEO net wealth compared to a 24 year old snot nosed entitled Progressive Socialist?
How about making sure EVERYONE in their 30's has the same 2.3 kids, one house with mortgage not exceeding 25% of their salary, 2 cars, one electric and the other a Prius.
In their 40's the college funds are full, retirement funding is well on its way and the student loans are forgiven by GOVERNMENT.
Benjamin Franklin worked most of his life promoting activities and projects for the common good, but he didn't support any schemes that helped only a few at the expense of others.
Unfortunately, nearly all government programs today are aimed at benefitting only a specific few at the expense of everyone else.
quote:Originally posted by barzillia"So, then, depending upon how much you value wealth, and why, it's presence might be either good, or bad."The question barzillia, was about the inequality of wealth, not wealth itself. There is a difference.
As I see it, that is a socialistic, humanistic question rather than a religious one.
Also, since there is little we can do about acts of God, I would propose that we limit our comments to things we, as humans and citizens can actually do something about.
quote:Originally posted by barzillia"The scripture provided demonstrates that wealth is not necessarily a reward or foreseeable consequence for effort, or location, or political system, or any other temporal circumstance. "The scripture also allows that much is dependent on blind chance: "It is all decided by chance, by being in the right place at the right time." New Living Translation
Barzillia's response is helpful in that it demonstrates how powerful a factor point-of-view can be.
From his point of view, he is right about everything: wealth, inequality of wealth, the Bible, bumps on my arm, etc. But from my point of view, the number of bumps is totally irrelevant to any serious discussion while wealth is a big thing to just about everyone. So his obsession with bumps is, from my point of view, not only wrong, but asinine.
If a welfare mother with several children - living in inner city public housing, buying her food and drugs with money from the public dole, dressing her kids with clothing donated by barzillia's church, sending them to school early so they can have at least one good meal at public expense - believes that it is unfair for the CEO of Verizon to earn 300 times more than her pimp boyfriend makes, then it is the truth for her.
She will develop in her limited way many excuses for her condition and criticisms of the "wealthy" that she so envies. Come a socialist candidate promising to give her even more than she already receives, our welfare mother will no doubt vote for her own interests and the good of the nation be damned, especially if she thinks the socialist will also take wealth away from the much envied CEO.
The inequality of wealth is seen as a problem by those who do not have the wealth. Whether they lack the drive, intelligence, ability, or character to pursue wealth in a non-criminal way is a non-factor, at least to them. What matters is that they do not have it, they want it, and others will use them and their envy, to advance themselves. Enter Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Party.
So I don't like Democrats or their self-serving philosophies. Sue me.
In any event, inequality of wealth is a problem for those that are on the right left side of the median, the have-nots. It is the envy and greed of these relatively poor that is a problem for those on the right of the average.
For what it's worth, even the homeless of this country are wealthier than the majority of the rest of the world.
It is Asian's fault. The little buggers mind their own business, speak proper English focus on education and family and passed the white folks up big time.
Barzillia, are you having conceptual problems making the differentiation between personal individual wealth and the current Progressive/ Socialist mantra of wealth or income inequality in our society?
Leaving Scripture out of the issue I contend inequality of wealth is a natural state of mankind. You quoting scripture does not address this real world question. Although I can understand looking to scripture for guidance, it still leaves the OP question unanswered by you.
Because barzillia is either too lazy to post the text or too stupid to understand the subject of this discussion, here is his last verse:
Matthew 6:21
New International Version (NIV)
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Now just how does this apply to the discussion? Why not tell us what you think it means and save us from being called stupid when we don't agree with (your concept of) what it "really" means?
It is extremely rare that I agree with Barz, but in this case I do (with the caveat that I haven't bothered to read any of the responses on page 2 of this thread).
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
It is extremely rare that I agree with Barz, but in this case I do (with the caveat that I haven't bothered to read any of his or any of the responses on page 2 of this thread).
Pretty broad disclaimer ya got there LOL... [:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by bpost
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
It is extremely rare that I agree with Barz, but in this case I do (with the caveat that I haven't bothered to read any of the responses on page 2 of this thread).
Pretty broad disclaimer ya got there LOL... [:D][:D]
Fixt
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Because barzillia is either too lazy to post the text or too stupid to understand the subject of this discussion, here is his last verse:
Matthew 6:21
New International Version (NIV)
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Now just how does this apply to the discussion? Why not tell us what you think it means and save us from being called stupid when we don't agree with (your concept of) what it "really" means?
et seq, tc.et seq is a common Latin abbreviation used a lot by lawyers to mean "and what follows."
Which does not anwer the question as to what you think the verse really means. It just sidesteps the question, as usual.
However, et seq is not the abbreviation you used. You wrote, "et sec." Twice, now.quote:
Et sec.
Matthew 15:18 et sec
The abbreviation that you used, et sec, well, what do you fancy that means? I have never seen it before. Is it something you made up to impress us with your brilliance?
This is usually the way a pseudo-intellectual trips up, so congratulations, you're normal.
By the way, why do you post in Latin and German at all?
Answer follows.
Oh, I almost forgot. Barzillia is smart and well educated. Peace be upon him.
quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
inequality of wealth is a subject pondered on mostly by those who do not seek to improve their own situation by an equal application of effort
Not to worry soon artificial intelligent robots will take over and human indexing of our DNA will make us all artist and philosophers!
Just remember those Georgia Guide Stones and what is inscribe on them and how The Illuminati kills/murders billions to get there!
serf
. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
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quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Barzillia, you are a crashing bore.
Got that?
Understand it?
Need a biblical citation to support the assertion?
"I find it hard to hate a man for whom I have prayed." D. Bonhoeffer
Try to focus Barzillia, There is an open question asked by the author of the OP. Several people have chimed in with ideas about the matter. Aside from "it depends", which is a non answer, incomplete and trollish do you have anything to add to the discussion?
Here is the question, C&P'd to help refresh your memory.
question: is Inequality of wealth necessarily bad and why?
How about making sure EVERYONE in their 30's has the same 2.3 kids, one house with mortgage not exceeding 25% of their salary, 2 cars, one electric and the other a Prius.
In their 40's the college funds are full, retirement funding is well on its way and the student loans are forgiven by GOVERNMENT.
Unfortunately, nearly all government programs today are aimed at benefitting only a specific few at the expense of everyone else.
As I see it, that is a socialistic, humanistic question rather than a religious one.
Also, since there is little we can do about acts of God, I would propose that we limit our comments to things we, as humans and citizens can actually do something about.
quote:Originally posted by barzillia"The scripture provided demonstrates that wealth is not necessarily a reward or foreseeable consequence for effort, or location, or political system, or any other temporal circumstance. "The scripture also allows that much is dependent on blind chance: "It is all decided by chance, by being in the right place at the right time." New Living Translation
Kind of like winning the lottery, huh?
Arguing with a rock........[:o)]
...or trying to describe color to the blind. [xx(][xx(][xx(]
From his point of view, he is right about everything: wealth, inequality of wealth, the Bible, bumps on my arm, etc. But from my point of view, the number of bumps is totally irrelevant to any serious discussion while wealth is a big thing to just about everyone. So his obsession with bumps is, from my point of view, not only wrong, but asinine.
If a welfare mother with several children - living in inner city public housing, buying her food and drugs with money from the public dole, dressing her kids with clothing donated by barzillia's church, sending them to school early so they can have at least one good meal at public expense - believes that it is unfair for the CEO of Verizon to earn 300 times more than her pimp boyfriend makes, then it is the truth for her.
She will develop in her limited way many excuses for her condition and criticisms of the "wealthy" that she so envies. Come a socialist candidate promising to give her even more than she already receives, our welfare mother will no doubt vote for her own interests and the good of the nation be damned, especially if she thinks the socialist will also take wealth away from the much envied CEO.
The inequality of wealth is seen as a problem by those who do not have the wealth. Whether they lack the drive, intelligence, ability, or character to pursue wealth in a non-criminal way is a non-factor, at least to them. What matters is that they do not have it, they want it, and others will use them and their envy, to advance themselves. Enter Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Party.
So I don't like Democrats or their self-serving philosophies. Sue me.
In any event, inequality of wealth is a problem for those that are on the right left side of the median, the have-nots. It is the envy and greed of these relatively poor that is a problem for those on the right of the average.
For what it's worth, even the homeless of this country are wealthier than the majority of the rest of the world.
It is Asian's fault. The little buggers mind their own business, speak proper English focus on education and family and passed the white folks up big time.
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p60-252.pdf
Leaving Scripture out of the issue I contend inequality of wealth is a natural state of mankind. You quoting scripture does not address this real world question. Although I can understand looking to scripture for guidance, it still leaves the OP question unanswered by you.
Matthew 6:21
New International Version (NIV)
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Now just how does this apply to the discussion? Why not tell us what you think it means and save us from being called stupid when we don't agree with (your concept of) what it "really" means?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
It is extremely rare that I agree with Barz, but in this case I do (with the caveat that I haven't bothered to read any of his or any of the responses on page 2 of this thread).
Pretty broad disclaimer ya got there LOL... [:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
It is extremely rare that I agree with Barz, but in this case I do (with the caveat that I haven't bothered to read any of the responses on page 2 of this thread).
Pretty broad disclaimer ya got there LOL... [:D][:D]
Fixt
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Because barzillia is either too lazy to post the text or too stupid to understand the subject of this discussion, here is his last verse:
Matthew 6:21
New International Version (NIV)
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Now just how does this apply to the discussion? Why not tell us what you think it means and save us from being called stupid when we don't agree with (your concept of) what it "really" means?
et seq, tc.et seq is a common Latin abbreviation used a lot by lawyers to mean "and what follows."
Which does not anwer the question as to what you think the verse really means. It just sidesteps the question, as usual.
However, et seq is not the abbreviation you used. You wrote, "et sec." Twice, now.quote:
Et sec.
Matthew 15:18 et sec
The abbreviation that you used, et sec, well, what do you fancy that means? I have never seen it before. Is it something you made up to impress us with your brilliance?
This is usually the way a pseudo-intellectual trips up, so congratulations, you're normal.
By the way, why do you post in Latin and German at all?
Answer follows.
Oh, I almost forgot. Barzillia is smart and well educated. Peace be upon him.
inequality of wealth is a subject pondered on mostly by those who do not seek to improve their own situation by an equal application of effort
Not to worry soon artificial intelligent robots will take over and human indexing of our DNA will make us all artist and philosophers!
Just remember those Georgia Guide Stones and what is inscribe on them and how The Illuminati kills/murders billions to get there!
serf
. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.