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pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
edited October 2016 in Politics
....about the supposedly "Pro Gun" members that will be voting for HRC.....I don't think it will happen all at once , but I feel the erosion..stay home, vote third party etc...convictions....all of the above will insure the loss of your freedoms to have and hold the 2nd amendment..God Bless America!

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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,672 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There will be millions of people that claim to be pro gun and/or pro Second Amendment that will vote for Hillary.

    There will be some that actually believe they are pro gun and/or pro Second Amendment that will vote for Hillary.

    There may be a few that are actually pro gun that will vote for Hillary.

    There will be none that are actually pro Second Amendment that will vote for Hillary.

    It is also a fact that there will be no single issue Second Amendment voters that will vote for either Hillary or Trump.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    There will be millions of people that claim to be pro gun and/or pro Second Amendment that will vote for Hillary.

    There will be some that actually believe they are pro gun and/or pro Second Amendment that will vote for Hillary.

    There may be a few that are actually pro gun that will vote for Hillary.

    There will be none that are actually pro Second Amendment that will vote for Hillary.

    It is also a fact that there will be no single issue Second Amendment voters that will vote for either Hillary or Trump.
    So?....which way will you swing?...don't answer , I think I already know...
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******
    edited November -1
    Pro gun does not equal pro second amendment. In fact, the two are nearly opposites in most cases.

    Whether someone is "Pro gun" matters not in the least to me.

    It's whether an individual values the second amendment, that matters at all to me.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You might say that i am a single issue voter and I will vote for Trump. The reason I am a single issue voter is because with no 2nd amendment there is no guarantee there will be any others or any constitution at all.
  • Missouri Mule K30Missouri Mule K30 Member Posts: 2,092 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Chop on one Amendment and which one is next?
    The Constitution, Amendments, is not like a set of dominoes.
    Old interpretation vs. new is a crock of BS. The Documents are very clear and precise.
    The Republic is under liberal attack at every turn, every moment.
    The Supreme Court is under a liberal attack NOW.
    The Republic is under attack from within, by socialists, communists, democrats.
    Republic Republic Republic!
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    voting for hilde would be like holding a serrrated knife to your throat while being told to saw away "it's for your own good"
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pwillie
    ....about the supposedly "Pro Gun" members that will be voting for HRC.....I don't think it will happen all at once , but I feel the erosion..stay home, vote third party etc...convictions....all of the above will insure the loss of your freedoms to have and hold the 2nd amendment..God Bless America!


    The second amendment is just words on paper; they are useless words unless people are willing to stand up and defend them. Trump does not give two hoots in hell about the second or for that matter any other amendment, he cares about Trump and his ego.

    Trump would sell the second amendment down the river to get eminent domain to gain land for another TRUMP tower. Trump is a slightly reformed uber liberal; nothing in his character has led me to believe he had a sudden epiphany and saw the errors of his past ways.

    I am not voting for him, period.
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    quote:Originally posted by pwillie
    ....about the supposedly "Pro Gun" members that will be voting for HRC.....I don't think it will happen all at once , but I feel the erosion..stay home, vote third party etc...convictions....all of the above will insure the loss of your freedoms to have and hold the 2nd amendment..God Bless America!


    The second amendment is just words on paper; they are useless words unless people are willing to stand up and defend them. Trump does not give two hoots in hell about the second or for that matter any other amendment, he cares about Trump and his ego.

    Trump would sell the second amendment down the river to get eminent domain to gain land for another TRUMP tower. Trump is a slightly reformed uber liberal; nothing in his character has led me to believe he had a sudden epiphany and saw the errors of his past ways.

    I am not voting for him, period.



    This nothing but the opinion of a Hillary supporter.
    There is no other candidate who will support the second amendment that has any chance of winning this election other than Donald Trump.
    He is endorsed by the NRA. That is good enough for me. Any body who opposes him in this election is helping to destroy this country in my opinion. Actions speak louder than words. All the traitorous words offered are wasted on me. Save the crap for the Huffington post.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    This nothing but the opinion of a Hillary supporter.
    There is no other candidate who will support the second amendment that has any chance of winning this election other than Donald Trump.
    He is endorsed by the NRA. That is good enough for me. Any body who opposes him in this election is helping to destroy this country in my opinion. Actions speak louder than words. All the traitorous words offered are wasted on me. Save the crap for the Huffington post.


    Jerry, apparently you did not listen to folks from the very start of the Trump insanity so let me refresh your memory a bit.

    (1) I personally NEVER supported Trump, EVER. Why the hell would I start now just because he is the (R) candidate???? I did not vote for McCain either, Chuck Baldwin got my vote. I will not try to pick up a turd by the clean end, choosing the lesser of two evils stopped working 50 years ago.

    (2) You TRUMPERS were warned for months upon months that Trump was the ONLY (R) candidate that was polling to lose to Hillary.

    (3) You TRUMPERS were warned that Trump's past was proof he was not a constitutional conservative by any stretch of the imagination, He only wants government when it makes him more powerful or rich.

    (4) You TRUMPERS were warned that the media was going to hammer the living crap out of him as soon as he won the nomination. This has and is happening just as we said it would.

    (5) You TRUMPERS were warned that women voters were not going to vote for the man, he is a pig and a low class cad. Women voters dislike Trump more than Hillary and Hillary is the most dis-likable candidate with a political past, EVER. Women know Hillary is a * and the problem is Trump is even more disgusting to them.

    (6) You TRUMPERS were warned and even begged to look past the non-political nature of Trump and see him for what he is. You all refused to acknowledge his anti-gun, pro (D), all for himself, NYC Socialist past. He gave money to Anthony Weiner and the Clinton's for God's sake; and you want ME to think he is all better now? This is a man who claimed he did not have anything to repent to God for! You want me to look past a man that claims he has nothing to beg God's forgiveness for? What the hell is wrong with your thinking man?

    (7) You TRUMPERS ignored the warnings that people of conscience and God, people like myself, a Cruz supporter and a very flawed child of God, were not going to be brow beat into voting against deeply held beliefs just because Trump fits someone's idea of "it ain't Hillary", he will fix DC.

    Finally, you TRUMPERS wanted him now you got him, God Bless your pea picking hearts. It is YOU Sir, you and your kind that are putting Hillary into office by choosing the ONLY candidate out of 17 that was predicted to lose to Hillary over a year ago. Why blame me and others like me when all seven points above have been pasted on your forehead for months and are now coming true?

    You have a strange thought process indeed, perhaps your need for someone to strong arm you into line is why you like him. You could move to the Philippines, they elected a Trump like feller there.
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bpost. Just what is it that makes you think your smarter than anybody else. If people don't think like you there is something wrong with their thinking. The reality is that nobody at this point in time can beat Hillary but Trump. Your golden boy was beat in the primaries and he wasn't an angel. Your EGO won't let you and others like you face reality. We are where we are not where you want us to be.
    You can throw your vote away on Ross Perot as far as I am concerned.
    People like you never make a difference anyway.
    How about a link to the reference where Trump said he had nothing to be forgiven for. Back up your accusations. No body else ever hear that before.
    Did Barz make another noise?
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    Bpost. Just what is it that makes you think your smarter than anybody else. If people don't think like you there is something wrong with their thinking. The reality is that nobody at this point in time can beat Hillary but Trump. Your golden boy was beat in the primaries and he wasn't an angel. Your EGO won't let you and others like you face reality. We are where we are not where you want us to be.
    You can throw your vote away on Ross Perot as far as I am concerned.
    People like you never make a difference anyway.
    How about a link to the reference where Trump said he had nothing to be forgiven for. Back up your accusations. No body else ever hear that before.
    Did Barz make another noise?


    You never heard it because you chose not to investigate the man.

    Trump has reiterated on several occasions on the campaign trail his Protestant and Presbyterian background, and more recently, his admiration for his former pastor, Norman Vincent Peale, a popular Reformed minister.

    Cooper followed up asking Trump if "asking for forgiveness" is a central tenet in his faith life.

    "I try not make mistakes where I have to ask forgiveness," Trump answered.

    When further asked about repentance again by Cooper, Trump said "I think repenting is terrific."

    "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person."

    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-why-do-i-have-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if-i-am-not-making-mistakes-video-141856/#LTvbCwxp8bHT6ZBZ.99

    Your error, one of several, Jerry is trying to insult your point of view to victory; oddly, just like Trump.

    Rather than the same mantra of vote for the (R) end of the turd, it is cleaner; why don't you take my point six above and convince me he is not those things. Show me he did not give money to Clinton and Weiner.

    Show me the pivot point in his life where he changed and saw the light of Constitutional Freedom.
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,363 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    BPost made this statement above:

    (5) You TRUMPERS were warned that women voters were not going to vote for the man, he is a pig and a low class cad. Women voters dislike Trump more than Hillary and Hillary is the most dis-likable candidate with a political past, EVER. Women know Hillary is a * and the problem is Trump is even more disgusting to them.

    Don't count on women NOT voting for Trump, women are smarter than you might think.

    Quote:
    There are millions of women who support Donald Trump and we're not standing in the shadows anymore! We won't be pushed around by bullies who tell us who we are "supposed" to like. And we're not going to keep quiet just because the Washington DC power elites want us to!


    http://womenvotetrump.com/
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by droptop
    BPost made this statement above:

    (5) You TRUMPERS were warned that women voters were not going to vote for the man, he is a pig and a low class cad. Women voters dislike Trump more than Hillary and Hillary is the most dis-likable candidate with a political past, EVER. Women know Hillary is a * and the problem is Trump is even more disgusting to them.

    Don't count on women NOT voting for Trump, women are smarter than you might think.

    Quote:
    There are millions of women who support Donald Trump and we're not standing in the shadows anymore! We won't be pushed around by bullies who tell us who we are "supposed" to like. And we're not going to keep quiet just because the Washington DC power elites want us to!


    http://womenvotetrump.com/


    There are millions of women that support Trump, there are many millions that do support him for POTUS.

    That has nothing to do with the gap where tens of millions support Hillary over The Donald.

    WASHINGTON

    Donald Trump faces "a historic deficit" among women as Hillary Clinton has opened up a 33-point lead with female voters in a new PRRI/The Atlantic Survey reported Tuesday.

    Clinton was backed by 61 percent of women compared to Trump's 28 percent. Trump is still ahead with men, 48-37. Overall, Clinton's ahead by 11.

    Trump's standing with women plunged 5 points from only a week ago. The survey was conducted Oct. 5-9, with 44 percent of interviews coming after news broke about an 11-year-old tape showing Trump making lewd remarks about women.

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article107525277.html#storylink=cpy
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well Bpost and Barz. You two are right. That justifies destroying the Constitution and giving up the supreme court. Right?? For you two maybe so. Not for me. Seems as though you two just can't put things in perspective.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    Well Bpost and Barz. You two are right. That justifies destroying the Constitution and giving up the supreme court. Right?? For you two maybe so. Not for me. Seems as though you two just can't put things in perspective.


    Jerry, the "blame", if any are the (R) people that put the likes of McCain, Romney and now Trump up as offerings to the nation. None of those men are small government, enumerated Powers, Constitution adhering Statesmen. Romney was probably the best offering of the three simply because he is a man of God and family.

    The Supreme Court argument ship sailed long ago, it is way past the horizon and it sunk. The guy that met the Constitution test was Cruz. It is not my fault people chose an unprincipled reality TV doofus instead.
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    Well Bpost and Barz. You two are right. That justifies destroying the Constitution and giving up the supreme court. Right?? For you two maybe so. Not for me. Seems as though you two just can't put things in perspective.


    Jerry, the "blame", if any are the (R) people that put the likes of McCain, Romney and now Trump up as offerings to the nation. None of those men are small government, enumerated Powers, Constitution adhering Statesmen. Romney was probably the best offering of the three simply because he is a man of God and family.

    The Supreme Court argument ship sailed long ago, it is way past the horizon and it sunk. The guy that met the Constitution test was Cruz. It is not my fault people chose an unprincipled reality TV doofus instead.
    People like you and Barz is why Trump got the nomination!....you do perceive yourself as more knowledgeable than most folks , but we know that's not true, is it?
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    Stop acting like a child.

    You took the wrong candidate, and are now saddled with him and are trying to blame others for the disasterous result.

    It was a dumb * move on a mass scale, and threw away the election.

    I am responsible for the choices I make, for the reasons I make them.

    Try doing the same yourself.
    "Stop acting like a child".....just before she puts on her nite gown.....come to bed...[:o)]LOL!......what a rousing nut case you are!
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This may ease your minds Pwille and Jerry.

    There are a few people on this board that have been vocal in not voting for trump. We take a lot of heat for it, that is fine my conscience is clear.

    Out of the tens of millions of ballots that will be cast on election day I doubt our voices will be more than a silent fart in a hurricane. I live in Meigs County Ohio. It will OVERWHELMINGLY vote for Trump.

    I respect your choice of candidate, I really do.

    I do not agree with it but it is akin to the old Chevy ford Dodge argument.

    I do know for a fact that my vote will not make the difference in Trump getting Ohio or not. Even if I did vote for him, he will lose Ohio to the big city (D) machine.
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Defeatist attitudes are contagious.......God Bless![:(]
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
    This nothing but the opinion of a Hillary supporter.
    There is no other candidate who will support the second amendment that has any chance of winning this election other than Donald Trump.
    He is endorsed by the NRA. That is good enough for me. Any body who opposes him in this election is helping to destroy this country in my opinion. Actions speak louder than words. All the traitorous words offered are wasted on me. Save the crap for the Huffington post.


    Jerry, apparently you did not listen to folks from the very start of the Trump insanity so let me refresh your memory a bit.

    (1) I personally NEVER supported Trump, EVER. Why the hell would I start now just because he is the (R) candidate???? I did not vote for McCain either, Chuck Baldwin got my vote. I will not try to pick up a turd by the clean end, choosing the lesser of two evils stopped working 50 years ago.

    (2) You TRUMPERS were warned for months upon months that Trump was the ONLY (R) candidate that was polling to lose to Hillary.

    (3) You TRUMPERS were warned that Trump's past was proof he was not a constitutional conservative by any stretch of the imagination, He only wants government when it makes him more powerful or rich.

    (4) You TRUMPERS were warned that the media was going to hammer the living crap out of him as soon as he won the nomination. This has and is happening just as we said it would.

    (5) You TRUMPERS were warned that women voters were not going to vote for the man, he is a pig and a low class cad. Women voters dislike Trump more than Hillary and Hillary is the most dis-likable candidate with a political past, EVER. Women know Hillary is a * and the problem is Trump is even more disgusting to them.

    (6) You TRUMPERS were warned and even begged to look past the non-political nature of Trump and see him for what he is. You all refused to acknowledge his anti-gun, pro (D), all for himself, NYC Socialist past. He gave money to Anthony Weiner and the Clinton's for God's sake; and you want ME to think he is all better now? This is a man who claimed he did not have anything to repent to God for! You want me to look past a man that claims he has nothing to beg God's forgiveness for? What the hell is wrong with your thinking man?

    (7) You TRUMPERS ignored the warnings that people of conscience and God, people like myself, a Cruz supporter and a very flawed child of God, were not going to be brow beat into voting against deeply held beliefs just because Trump fits someone's idea of "it ain't Hillary", he will fix DC.

    Finally, you TRUMPERS wanted him now you got him, God Bless your pea picking hearts. It is YOU Sir, you and your kind that are putting Hillary into office by choosing the ONLY candidate out of 17 that was predicted to lose to Hillary over a year ago. Why blame me and others like me when all seven points above have been pasted on your forehead for months and are now coming true?

    You have a strange thought process indeed, perhaps your need for someone to strong arm you into line is why you like him. You could move to the Philippines, they elected a Trump like feller there.


    Bruce, you hit the nail on the head. The coffin is now sealed. Excellent post. You're 100% spot on and you have summed up my feelings exactly.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    Stop acting like a child.

    You took the wrong candidate, and are now saddled with him and are trying to blame others for the disasterous result.

    It was a dumb * move on a mass scale, and threw away the election.

    I am responsible for the choices I make, for the reasons I make them.

    Try doing the same yourself.
    This is exactly how wrong jerry is... I'm actually agreeing 100% with Barz.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Grace Potter is for Trump![:o)]
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cruz wouldn't have gone anywhere either but at least he wouldn't have pulled down the rest of the Party. I'm long past worrying about the Presidential race. My concern now is the Congress. I have always believed that Trump was a wolf in sheep's clothing. He could not possibly have run a worse race. His goal is to turn the entire government over to the Democrats.
    I thought Carson or Kasich had the best chance of winning in November.
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kacisch only won his own state???..Why do you think he could win the National Contest?
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since 1964 , I have voted for one savior , that was Reagan...as a businessman, he was our only hope! Many of us were facing chapter 7, until Reagan was elected.20% interest on a line of credit was killing most small business...life is survival....I was able to survive because the banks recognized that we had new leadership for the nation...Was Reagan perfect? I don't think so, but like a life raft in the ocean,we grab what we can....and Trump is the best boat...why grab a straw like Johnson,just to think it will save you...George C. Wallace said it many years ago....(Demorat and Republicans)"There ain't a dimes worth of difference in either one of them"...so, when the order comes down for you to surrender your fire arms......think about your decisions..
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First, I ain't "surrendering" guns. MOLON LABE

    There is no man that can save America. The voters will choose a turd in 14 days. One is an avowed Progressive, like the old timey Progressives, the name Communist's gave themselves in the early 1900's. Or, we will have another narcissist in office. The danger is this narcissist is also rudderless with no character.

    Folks, we are NOT going to rise again. Our nation has slipped into a socialist nation feeding off of its offspring. We will soon be under the thumb of a Marxist Government, it is only a matter of time.
  • Tech141Tech141 Member Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Supreme Court Justices. 3 - 4 to be selected/replaced in the next 4-ish years.

    Which would you prefer -

    Judges wanted by Clinton or

    Judges wanted by Trump.

    That is what is at risk in this election.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Tech141
    Supreme Court Justices. 3 - 4 to be selected/replaced in the next 4-ish years.

    Which would you prefer -

    Judges wanted by Clinton or

    Judges wanted by Trump.

    That is what is at risk in this election.


    Actually me thinks folks have been pushed back about as far as they are willing to go backwards. The Second Amendment can not be made any more clear. It is every bit as clear as the First and is in the BILL OF RIGHTS.

    Nope, me thinks Hillary could put Sarah Brady herself times four on the court and "We The People" will give them a 100 million strong preverbal finger.

    I was a gun club member in Morton Grove Ill when they banned handguns from the village. Nobody turned them in and the police ignored the law all together.
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Janet Reno ring any concerns? Look how many she killed....and never had to explain it...
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a percentage that will not give up their arms. There is a percentage who will fight. That is all their was in 1776. A small percentage. What makes it bad today is , the Gov. knows who every single person is who will do what and where and how to get to them.
    How do you hide from a drone? The government can GPS nearly all of us right now. For about 15 years I repossessed cars. Believe me if you drink water you can be found.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,381 ******
    edited November -1
    Jerry, none of that dissuades me in the least. If it does you, then you may as well turn your arms in right now.[xx(]
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Jerry, none of that dissuades me in the least. If it does you, then you may as well turn your arms in right now.[xx(]
    ....if he did that ,he couldn't tie his shoes....[:o)]
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