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Trump Softens Stand on Health Care!
No sooner then elected Trump backpedals on National Health care! Now if you can't bar people with preexisting conditions and the young cannot afford to pay the high rates to offset the costs without fines then it will not work without subsidies from the government.
We the people will pay for it with taxes or fines on the self employed or with lower salaries on an hourly job. Believe it or not.
Once again the politicians never say what they mean and never mean what they say!
serf
http://wwlp.com/2016/11/11/trumps-obamacare-stance-softens-as-his-cabinet-forms/
President-elect Donald Trump is softening his stance against "Obamacare." And he's shaking up his transition team.
After his full throated campaign calls to repeal President Obama's signature health care law, now it appears Donald Trump may be willing to strike a deal.
Trump telling the Wall Street Journal that after meeting with the President on Thursday, he's open to preserving portions of Obamacare - like a provision that prevents insurers from denying coverage because of preexisting conditions. Also, the provision that allows children to remain on their parent's health insurance policies until they're 26.
We the people will pay for it with taxes or fines on the self employed or with lower salaries on an hourly job. Believe it or not.
Once again the politicians never say what they mean and never mean what they say!
serf
http://wwlp.com/2016/11/11/trumps-obamacare-stance-softens-as-his-cabinet-forms/
President-elect Donald Trump is softening his stance against "Obamacare." And he's shaking up his transition team.
After his full throated campaign calls to repeal President Obama's signature health care law, now it appears Donald Trump may be willing to strike a deal.
Trump telling the Wall Street Journal that after meeting with the President on Thursday, he's open to preserving portions of Obamacare - like a provision that prevents insurers from denying coverage because of preexisting conditions. Also, the provision that allows children to remain on their parent's health insurance policies until they're 26.
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Go back and look at some of his speeches .
He said several times he would keep requirement to insure those with pre existing conditions and the on parents policy until 25.
What did he say different now?
It's all smoke and mirrors he hasn't say anything then is what you say is true.You can't abolish The Obama care without throwing out the mandates for affordable health care for all.
Sick people use all the profits up and without forced compliance it will not work. unless you charge the sick one's with preexisting conditions more money.
You must then get the extra money through taxes and fines there is no other way.
serf
Go back and look at some of his speeches .
He said several times he would keep requirement to insure those with pre existing conditions and the on parents policy until 25.
What did he say different now?
Nothing, just some people reading the liberal "spin".
Trump's plan might also mention words like: HOSPITAL, HEALTH, DOCTOR, MEDICINE, CARE etc.
I agree with keeping those two items at least. Scrapping it and starting over was always a bad idea to me. It would be easier and simpler to examine it carefully and scrap the bad stuff and add what is needed. Major problem is how to finance the whole mess. Law suits, rip off profits of hospitals and drug companies need to be addressed. Using the ER for non emergency treatment has to stop. Everyone has to pay some deductible and at least part of the costs. Totally free coverage to the poor gives them no incentive for them to cut costs on medical care. Wish there was a simple fix but what it will take to give everyone good health care is far above my pay grade.
Don't think Obamacare will be amended. Some things are better TOTALLY rewritten.
Determine WHICH items in Obamacare should be kept and include them in the new plan.
Remembering to examine every line of the Thousand of pages would be time consuming, not to mention subject to errors.
Plus regulations, plus,, don't forget, THE IRS enforcement employees. Obamacare is more intertwined with the government than cancer is with the body.
As millions of Americans brace for tax season, the Internal Revenue Service is requesting a $2 billion boost to its budget and 9,000 new employees as it prepares to enforce Obamacare's tax provisions.
http://dailysignal.com/2015/02/05/irs-seeks-9000-new-employees-prepares-enforce-obamacare/
This is the tip of the iceberg. Remember Thousands of IRS hired 5 or 6 years ago for enforcement. Does anyone need the IRS looking at their health care ?
Obamacare as it now stands has GOT TO GO, rewriting will be quicker, less expensive and less confusing.
And The insurance companies even now are baling out or raising rates 40% across the board! What a joke!
serf
Its funny here how no one touches the quote he will not deny mandatory coverage for all on his plan nor how he will fund it when a majority of people on it are the ones who could not get coverage at a reasonable price because they where too sick?
And The insurance companies even now are baling out or raising rates 40% across the board! What a joke!
serf
Trump is NOT POTUS. Until he Becomes POTUS the only conclusion people can come to is what's stated on Trumps website plus what's he's said, like to see videos because the context can be understood.
None of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
Provide a link to where Trump has talked about Pre Existing conditions.
I have GREAT medical insurance in South America. There is no such thing as a "pre existing condition and it costs $30 bucks per month. (90,000 pesos).
There is kind of a catch,, anyone with PRIVATE INSURANCE and pays a certain minimum amount per month gets a PENSION. My wife pays $190,000 per month ($65 USD) which includes private insurance (many companies) AND pension. Pension will be what the "minimum salary" is when she retires.
Want more pension, pay more per month,, kind of simple and it works.
When you say insurance companies are "bailing out", raising rates, etc. does this make you wonder how Cliton would fix it ?
I pay $105 per month for Medicare insurance in the U.S. and $30 per month in South America and they both include prescription medication and do not have pre existing limitations.
Obamacare and Clitoncare are out !!!! Trumpcare is in !!!!
Like Pelosi famously quoted: We need to pass it before we can find out what's in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU
More:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/11/12/donald-trump-is-right-you-can-repeal-obamacare-and-still-cover-everyone-with-pre-existing-conditions/#aa109b94e1cc
https://biasedbbc.org/blog/2016/11/12/doctoring-the-news/
Smoke and mirrors with gimmicks to hold costs down for poor/rich sick people.Tax credits with caps on premiums depending on your income?
The healthy are always going to pay for the sick!I have an Idea force doctors to give charity along with the drug companies giving huge discounts to the poor? Of course the healthy ones buying the drugs and services will have to fill the gaps for them to make profit.
serf
quote:Originally posted by us55840
More:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/11/12/donald-trump-is-right-you-can-repeal-obamacare-and-still-cover-everyone-with-pre-existing-conditions/#aa109b94e1cc
https://biasedbbc.org/blog/2016/11/12/doctoring-the-news/
Smoke and mirrors with gimmicks to hold costs down for poor/rich sick people.Tax credits with caps on premiums depending on your income?
The healthy are always going to pay for the sick!I have an Idea force doctors to give charity along with the drug companies giving huge discounts to the poor? Of course the healthy ones buying the drugs and services will have to fill the gaps for them to make profit.
serf
Wouldn't it have been faster for you to type 'Oh Huh!'?
The statement you make about the healthy subsidizing the sick is no different than the auto insurance of the people who didn't have a car wreck subsidizing those who did.
And do yourself a favor and don't think about how a home insurance policy that costs $500 per year can rebuild a house that turns down. Your head will explode.
Our Federal Government has no Constitutional basis for being involved in healthcare. It is a States Rights issue. The States could handle this much cheaper and better for their citizens.
We can not dismantle the Fed Monster overnight but putting health care issues back into the States hands where it belongs would be a good start.
Starve the Feds of money to keep them in their box. Cut Federal workers salaries and benefits to entice workers to leave. If you take the money the power goes with it.
Your interpretation of the constitution does not constitute "fact".
There are other people, who have different ideas.
Not necessarily "wrong".
We have gone through this before.
The glorious constitutionalist Trump will fix it all.
[;)]
From your lips to God's ear.[;)]
At the core of the matter is the often ignored fact of right and wrong.
Our Federal Government has no Constitutional basis for being involved in healthcare. It is a States Rights issue. The States could handle this much cheaper and better for their citizens.
We can not dismantle the Fed Monster overnight but putting health care issues back into the States hands where it belongs would be a good start.
Starve the Feds of money to keep them in their box. Cut Federal workers salaries and benefits to entice workers to leave. If you take the money the power goes with it.
It's The United Nations liberals pushing for National Health Care and Trump is not going to walk away from the Mandate. He can't if wants the Democrats to play ball on other matters.
serf
I don't care what they do with health care they better damn well get rid of the law that allows the IRS to find you if you can't afford a plan!
That is the part Chief justice Roberts ruled was Constitutional because it is a tax and congress has the power to tax.
Why would anyone expect the Government to give up the 20% of the nations economy they grabbed? Government takes, it never returns.
Obamacare is here to stay. The gutless (R)'s will bloviate, posture and Mitch McConnell might even grow a chin but very little will change the FACTS, Obama care is here to stay and you will pay for it.
Your not going to look good when it's gone. The plan is laid. The bill is ready to sign. It will go.