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Is Mexico on the Brink of a Collapse /Revolution ?

serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 2017 in Politics
Would not be the first time this Nation state failed and we allow millions of them over here in this country to bolster our economy and tax base?

What could go wrong with that equation here? Is the Question you should ask! Wake up!

serf

http://theantimedia.org/protests-mexico-brink-revolution/

NAFTA was a contentious issue in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, but it's just as controversial in Mexico, if not more so. The grand 1994 "free trade" scheme, signed into law by Bill Clinton, saw a dramatic redesign of both the U.S. and Mexican economic landscapes. Corn farmers, long a vital factor in Mexico's peasant farming economy, were wiped out by low-priced corn subsidized by the U.S. government, which immediately flooded Mexican markets after NAFTA was passed. The Mexican immigration crisis at the U.S.' southern border soon followed.

Perhaps the biggest driver of the current civil upheaval in Mexico is out of control inflation coupled with the value of the peso reaching record lows. Mexican workers are already stretched thin financially as minimum wage hovers at four U.S. dollars per day. Food prices, which were on the rise before the gas price increases, are set to climb 20 percent or more as they correlate closely with prices at the pump.

According to Zero Hedge, in Mexico, it currently takes "the equivalent of 12 days of a minimum wage to fill a tank of gas - compared to the U.S.' seven hours." People who don't drive will also feel the pain, as public transportation costs are likely to rise with fuel prices. Rising gas prices also put downward pressure on the rest of the Mexican economy as workers spend more money on gas and less on consumer goods.

The Mexican government's deficit spending and Trump's tough talk on trade have been factors in devaluing the peso, making everything in Mexico more expensive for the working class and driving the general discontent that makes the country a hotbed of unrest.

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  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i remember when the first tortilla big cost increase went in after this nafta crap....poor people were screaming they couldn't afford the staples...currently all the more reason to close the border..or the middle class here will be taxed to the brink trying to solve messico social problems(think non citizens of the USA)even more than we contibute now
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The biggest issue with Mexico is the top to bottom corruption as a way of life. The rule of law means nothing, graft, bribes, payoffs and violence is the rules of Mexico. The citizens of Mexico are powerless to stop it as long as they too participate in it.
  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    The biggest issue with Mexico is the top to bottom corruption as a way of life. The rule of law means nothing, graft, bribes, payoffs and violence is the rules of Mexico. The citizens of Mexico are powerless to stop it as long as they too participate in it.


    Exactly. like a cancer - burn it or cut it out.
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    all drug deals/dealers crossing the border should be executed
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,363 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
    i remember when the first tortilla big cost increase went in after this nafta crap....poor people were screaming they couldn't afford the staples...currently all the more reason to close the border..or the middle class here will be taxed to the brink trying to solve messico social problems(think non citizens of the USA)even more than we contibute now


    This is exactly correct. The sooner the border is secure, the better. Especially when less factories / jobs are being created in Mexico. Who knows maybe they'll manufacture their own brand of vehicle. Runs on Natural Gas *.
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    Not sure about the Tortilla prices but it's a fact. Tacos are cheap and will go lower.
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is high inflation but hardly run-away. The Peso has dropped to about 1/3rd of what it was worth vrs the Dollar since the New Peso was introduced. Of course the Dollar has also dropped since then.
    The old Peso really had run-away inflation. The Peso at one time was at par with the Dollar & was even legal tender in the U.S. When it was replaced it was at about 7000 to one & of course the Dollar had really dropped as well.
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    fricking sick of the idea we can solve the worlds social problems by throwing our money at them..wonder what the yearly total is if you count all the money going overseas(not purchases of product) as welfare
  • llama girlllama girl Member Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It has always been my contention that the mexcians are too corrupt to rule themselves. The police and military of mexico are for sale to the highest bidder. We need to militarize the border to stop police and military from south of the border. No military around when needed to safe guard our side? Be a patriot and take your deer rifle to the border. Let our side take all their property including gold teeth and clothing. Force them back across the border.
    In regards to drug trafficking call all drugs personal use here is a big spoon eat it all now. That should cut down on some of this used bull food!
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
    all drug deals/dealers crossing the border should be executed


    The dealers, smugglers are not the problem. The problem is the d@^n users. We need to poison all that crap & stop resuscitating them.
    No drug users, no drug problem.
  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gruntled
    quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
    all drug deals/dealers crossing the border should be executed


    The dealers, smugglers are not the problem. The problem is the d@^n users. We need to poison all that crap & stop resuscitating them.
    No drug users, no drug problem.


    The users are dropping like flies now and it's the pusher man/women feeding this dope to stupid people out there looking for an escape from life which in the end will take yous out so much earlier. Nature selection on steroids?

    serf
  • Hunter MagHunter Mag Member Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    The biggest issue with Mexico is the top to bottom corruption is a way of life. The rule of law means nothing, graft, bribes, payoffs and violence is the rules of Mexico. The citizens of Mexico are powerless to stop it as long as they too participate in it.

    Replace Mexico with America and law with constitution.
    Now tell me what the difference is...
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    To the original question, yes.

    If you think we have issues now, Mexico as a failed state will be a waking nightmare.

    Deporting working families is a waste of resources. Target the drug cartels who have already set up shop. When we have all of them, then move on to whomever you please.

    I'd rather have illegal families who have some obligation to our law enforcement, in their communities, helping to identify the "bad hombres".
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i never have seen an illegal in court testifying against another illegal...i never have seen a legal mexican in court testifying aginst another mexican.....shhhhhhhhhh...i'm invisible
  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290
    edited November -1
    The OP completely dismisses the effect that Billions of dollars in Cartel drug smuggling has on the Meskin economy.
    The border wars going on all the time, the thousands of dead Meskins that got in the way of some Cartel bullets, the fact that 1 in 120 Meskins actually has a car/truck, and the sub-Neanderthal culture all have much more impact on their economy#8203; than anything NAFTA could have done.
    But, if all you wanna do is just toe the PC line & start with a foregone conclusion; write stupid articles like they do at Zero Hedge.
  • djh860djh860 Member Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mexico has been a failed state IMO for a long time. There are great areas of the country that the government doesn't control and they are unable to provide basic education to all the children
  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,719 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
    all drug deals/dealers crossing the border should be executed


    Filipino prez got it right, and it works.
  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mag00
    quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
    all drug deals/dealers crossing the border should be executed


    Filipino prez got it right, and it works.


    This is where President Trump can succeed but The Hispanic voters will sink it in 2020 because of discrimination of due process of civil rights. They are already mounting a huge voting Block of radical leaders in California! Get ready for a police state.

    serf

    L.A. residents believe new riots likely!

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-riot-poll-20170426-story.html

    Researchers theorized that the turnaround may be linked to several factors, including the more polarized national dialogue on race sparked by police shootings in Ferguson, Mo., and elsewhere, as well as by the tenor of last year?s presidential election. Moreover, many parts of L.A. still suffer from some of the economic problems and lack of opportunities that fueled anger before the riots.

    ?Economic disparity continues to increase, and at the end of the day, that is what causes disruption,? said Fernando Guerra, a political science professor who has worked on the survey since its inception. ?People are trying to get along and want to get along, but they understand economic tension boils over to political and social tension.
  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,719 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    These "experts" always crack me up. Of course economic disparity causes tension. The Pink elephant is why is there such disparity?

    Science has proven that certain genetic backgrounds have produced more smart people and other backgrounds have produced more violent people.

    Some of it is cultural, which is handed down by the genetic parents, and can be overcome, but the majority is wild animal dna that will take many, many generations to breed out.

    If Trump adopts a similar plan for the USA, the "savages' will try and burn the place down. But it needs to happen sooner than later, while the good people have a fighting chance.
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