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Colorado Gov Criminalizing Cannabis ?
Whoa! Have The democrats talking pot heads having problems in The Mile High City?
serf
http://gazette.com/hickenlooper-on-making-pot-illegal-again-im-not-ruling-it-out/article/1624697
Re-criminalizing marijuana in Colorado would take another vote of the people to undo the constitutional amendment approved by 55 percent to 45 percent less than six years ago. Since then, pot has been legalized in several other states.
"This is one of the great social experiments of the last 100 years," Hickenlooper told CNN. "We have to all keep an open mind."
serf
http://gazette.com/hickenlooper-on-making-pot-illegal-again-im-not-ruling-it-out/article/1624697
Re-criminalizing marijuana in Colorado would take another vote of the people to undo the constitutional amendment approved by 55 percent to 45 percent less than six years ago. Since then, pot has been legalized in several other states.
"This is one of the great social experiments of the last 100 years," Hickenlooper told CNN. "We have to all keep an open mind."
Comments
Those who put legalizing pot on the ballot and those who voted in favor of it ........were out of their mind.
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Logic test: Doped up citizens wasting energy to go vote? Who really voted it in? Why? Simpsons did an episode on it.
Use is up for 21 and older in Colorado.
Alcohol use is down roughly 4% for those 21 and up.
Opioid use and abuse is down significantly.
To suggest that the experiment has failed is extremely myopic. It is still early on. In a decade or two we should have a reasonable good data set to show whether this foray into a bit of individual liberty had a net positive or net negative impact upon the health and well-being of those in Colorado and other states that have decided their citizens have the ability to judge what is best for them.
Brad Steele
Teen use of pot is down in Colorado.
Use is up for 21 and older in Colorado.
Alcohol use is down roughly 4% for those 21 and up.
Opioid use and abuse is down significantly.
To suggest that the experiment has failed is extremely myopic. It is still early on. In a decade or two we should have a reasonable good data set to show whether this foray into a bit of individual liberty had a net positive or net negative impact upon the health and well-being of those in Colorado and other states that have decided their citizens have the ability to judge what is best for them.
Yeah, that's why they sold near beer around military bases back in day, everybody was responsible and didn't want to get a buzz.
Today's marijuana sold over the counter is 10 times or more potent than back in 1970's.Greenhorns go to a state where it's legal and gets high and then causes deaths and accidents on the highways.
Soon they will swab you at all accidents scenes and if you show any content of marijuana in your body then your firearms will be confiscated and you will be charged for A DUI. wake up!
serf
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Teen use of pot is down in Colorado.
Use is up for 21 and older in Colorado.
Alcohol use is down roughly 4% for those 21 and up.
Opioid use and abuse is down significantly.
To suggest that the experiment has failed is extremely myopic. It is still early on. In a decade or two we should have a reasonable good data set to show whether this foray into a bit of individual liberty had a net positive or net negative impact upon the health and well-being of those in Colorado and other states that have decided their citizens have the ability to judge what is best for them.
Yeah, that's why they sold near beer around military bases back in day, everybody was responsible and didn't want to get a buzz.
Today's marijuana sold over the counter is 10 times or more potent than back in 1970's.Greenhorns go to a state where it's legal and gets high and then causes deaths and accidents on the highways.
Soon they will swab you at all accidents scenes and if you show any content of marijuana in your body then your firearms will be confiscated and you will be charged for A DUI. wake up!
serf
The use of marijuana wrt to firearms ownership will remain a personal decision until it is decriminalized at the Federal level. It would be a risk that some will take and some will not. Not having any desire to smoke pot, it does not affect me, but my personal preference means nothing, and should not be something I, or anyone, should desire to impose upon another American.
To this end, however, POTUS has requested Congress propose legislation to correct this 'States Rights' issue. I have no idea how it will turn out, or how it will eventually affect firearm ownership, but I would guess it will be decriminalized by the Feds, something that is long overdue. The individual states will then be free to exercise their legitimate power to regulate or ban the substance as they see fit.
I do not understand your fear of marijuana, but obviously you are free to fear whatever it is you desire to fear.
Your fears can inform your life and direct how you wish to live it, but it is ridiculous to allow a currently baseless fear to dictate policy.
If, in a decade or so, it becomes apparent that the legalization of marijuana is threatening the very fabric of our society, the issue can be re-visited. To date, the evidence does not suggest that this is even a remote possibility and in fact, seems to be trending in the opposite direction.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Teen use of pot is down in Colorado.
Use is up for 21 and older in Colorado.
Alcohol use is down roughly 4% for those 21 and up.
Opioid use and abuse is down significantly.
To suggest that the experiment has failed is extremely myopic. It is still early on. In a decade or two we should have a reasonable good data set to show whether this foray into a bit of individual liberty had a net positive or net negative impact upon the health and well-being of those in Colorado and other states that have decided their citizens have the ability to judge what is best for them.
Yeah, that's why they sold near beer around military bases back in day, everybody was responsible and didn't want to get a buzz.
Today's marijuana sold over the counter is 10 times or more potent than back in 1970's.Greenhorns go to a state where it's legal and gets high and then causes deaths and accidents on the highways.
Soon they will swab you at all accidents scenes and if you show any content of marijuana in your body then your firearms will be confiscated and you will be charged for A DUI. wake up!
serf
I do not understand your fear of marijuana, but obviously you are free to fear whatever it is you desire to fear
It's not baseless as you discern in your rebuttal, in fact, all rebuttals here never mention the elephant in the room! And that is marijuana strains are 10 t0 20 times stronger in THC Now! It's not the pot your mother of daddy used in 1960's.
Wake up! It's not Fear it's the fact of the matter here which you obviously avoid for the proof is in the lack of you or any other pro pot head here debating this issue with logical rebuttals.
serf
If this is your issue, I would definitely believe the fear to be baseless.
Brad Steele
Responsible people will continue to be responsible, and irresponsible people will continue to be irresponsible. The relative amount of THC in the product is immaterial. The will be a learning curve for people of my generation should they choose to try it after 40 years of abstinence, but it is no different than trying Vodka for the first time for a beer drinker. Responsible younger people will not have this problem, as the higher content will be something organic to their experience.
If this is your issue, I would definitely believe the fear to be baseless.
Yeah, everything is baseless with a new potent drug that is considered harmless and beneficial. Which is a lie and recreational marijuana is just another tool to pacify all the potheads in society.
Try eating some of that potent stuff and see what it does to you.
serf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780128007563000466
Evidence that long-term cannabis use may be hazardous to white matter in the developing brain has been accumulating, with early onset use in particular thought to impair structural morphology and integrity, during the critical neurodevelopment occurring in adolescence. We found specific localized axonal connectivity disturbances in adult long-term heavy cannabis users, with 84?88% reductions in streamlines in the fimbria of the hippocampus, and commissural fibers extending to the precuneus. White matter integrity within these fiber bundles was associated with the age of onset of cannabis use. The endocannabinoid system is critically involved in axonal growth in the developing brain; mechanisms underlying axonal morphological alterations following exposure to cannabis in utero have been identified. Mechanisms that may be specifically perturbed by cannabis use impacting the neurodevelopment and brain maturational processes that occur during adolescence require further research. Dysfunctional connectivity may underlie a wide range of cognitive disturbances and psychological symptoms, including vulnerability to psychosis, depression, and anxiety disorders, all of which are significant public health concerns.
Do you drink alcohol.
(This is not a "Gotcha" question. I would like to engage in a logical, rational conversation, and need to gather info with that in mind. Being honest would be greatly helpful, as it will minimize misunderstandings)
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Responsible people will continue to be responsible, and irresponsible people will continue to be irresponsible. The relative amount of THC in the product is immaterial. The will be a learning curve for people of my generation should they choose to try it after 40 years of abstinence, but it is no different than trying Vodka for the first time for a beer drinker. Responsible younger people will not have this problem, as the higher content will be something organic to their experience.
If this is your issue, I would definitely believe the fear to be baseless.
Yeah, everything is baseless with a new potent drug that is considered harmless and beneficial. Which is a lie and recreational marijuana is just another tool to pacify all the potheads in society.
Try eating some of that potent stuff and see what it does to you.
serf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780128007563000466
Evidence that long-term cannabis use may be hazardous to white matter in the developing brain has been accumulating, with early onset use in particular thought to impair structural morphology and integrity, during the critical neurodevelopment occurring in adolescence. We found specific localized axonal connectivity disturbances in adult long-term heavy cannabis users, with 84?88% reductions in streamlines in the fimbria of the hippocampus, and commissural fibers extending to the precuneus. White matter integrity within these fiber bundles was associated with the age of onset of cannabis use. The endocannabinoid system is critically involved in axonal growth in the developing brain; mechanisms underlying axonal morphological alterations following exposure to cannabis in utero have been identified. Mechanisms that may be specifically perturbed by cannabis use impacting the neurodevelopment and brain maturational processes that occur during adolescence require further research. Dysfunctional connectivity may underlie a wide range of cognitive disturbances and psychological symptoms, including vulnerability to psychosis, depression, and anxiety disorders, all of which are significant public health concerns.
OK, so pregnant women shouldn't use pot, nor should adolescents. Current law prohibits the latter, and studies show that adolescent use in Colorado, for example, has dropped since legalization. Pregnant women using pot is covered by the responsible use statement. They should smoke or drink either, but irresponsible ones do.
So, yes, your fear based upon increased potency remains baseless in the context of a current law and responsible practices model. There frankly is no evidence of increased irresponsible use of pot since legalization.
Brad Steele
OK Serf, Lets talk....
Do you drink alcohol.
(This is not a "Gotcha" question. I would like to engage in a logical, rational conversation, and need to gather info with that in mind. Being honest would be greatly helpful, as it will minimize misunderstandings)
Nope very little. It's a toxic drug that Women sufferage very well knew destroyed many a family ability to prosper. It's like splitting the atom and calling it light. It has consequences that should never have been unleashed.
Beer has been around for centuries but was hard to kill yourself until they distilled the active ingredient with science and called it better.
serf
I shant waste my, or your, time any further.
Have an Outstanding day!
Mike
Thank you. With every post on this subject it is apparent that you are a closed-minded Prohibitionist. Trying to converse with folks with that mindset is equal to knocking down a brick wall with a stick of melted butter.
I shant waste my, or your, time any further.
Have an Outstanding day!
Mike
B.S. The evidence is there to see for all. Most social drugs approved by the government is abused by people. Then other people have to come clean up after them or worst die because the idiot got behind a steering wheel of a vehicle.
Hell they had to ban pure caffeine for idiots dropping dead from taking too much.
Medical marijuana to treat know conditions in small quantities should be allowed under a doctor prescription. So not a prohibition as you like to throw out here as a curse word.
Recreational marijuana is just another crutch to escape from reality. The potency has gone up so much with marijuana it's now a threat to society as a whole.
serf
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/13/fda-bans-some-pure-caffeine-powders-and-liquids.html
One teaspoon of pure powdered caffeine is equivalent to 28 cups of regular coffee, the FDA says.
http://time.com/3573394/legalize-pot-you-must-be-high/
A 2014 Harvard/Northwestern study found ?Young adults who used marijuana only recreationally showed significant abnormalities in two key brain regions that are important in emotion and motivation.?
A 2013 study from the University of Maryland School of Medicine published in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology found that ?Regular marijuana use during adolescence, but not adulthood, may permanently impair cognition and increase the risk for psychiatric diseases, such as schizophrenia.? The follow-up 2014 study found that using marijuana as a teen reduces gray matter in the parts of the brain associated with motivational, emotional and affective processing.
A 2014 National Institute on Drug Abuse report summarized a large, long-term Duke University study: ?People who began smoking marijuana heavily in their teens lost an average of 8 points in IQ between age 13 and age 38. Importantly, the lost cognitive abilities were not fully restored in those who quit smoking marijuana as adults.?
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And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/opioids/opioid-summaries-by-state/colorado-opioid-summary
It's just pot, strong or weak, stupid is still stupid. It is unlawful to drive impaired, has been that way for a long time.
Ale and beer used to be because water was contaminated and the brew process killed the harmful bacteria. Everybody drank ale, even the kids.
So now under your logic, all alcohol must be banished, because everclear is really strong and people die and cause wrecks.
Pot is not an opiod, Marijuana is a plant put on the earth to consume. Might be time to quit chemically processing healthy plants eh?
red bull and other quickie drinks need to be banned.
And sugar, holy cow, diabetes rampant and costing billions
Pot is such a lesser evil it is a non issue. Don't smoke the strong stuff if you don't want to, just that easy.
An idol for some folks here.......