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I return after taking a short break from all the same ol', same ol' arguments that rage here on GB, in all the forums.
A short rant, if I may.....
In reflection, i've been a member of GB for approximately 6 years.
Over that time, my views have evolved in a much more 'stark' and 'it is what it is' direction, although my core beliefs have never changed.
This evolution came to pass, partly through maturing, but primarily through intent study and a deliberate focus on government actions, then applying critical thinking and assessment to the cause of those actions, the reasons they are taken and their logical 'end result', whether intended or not.
This, coupled with using the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Founding Principal of Individualism as a measure, or as a yardstick if you will.
I have studied the argument's posed here, and the position's taken by various members and arrived at the same conclusion which I previously noted, that being, that many citizens are completely clueless about what that feeling of 'something' being wrong in America, is all about.
It seems that no matter the manner in which issues are presented and no matter how obvious the particular wrong action/issue is, that many refuse to acknowledge what is so clear to freedom minded individuals.
It is obvious that a deliberate turn from the tenants of the Constitution and Bill of Rights has occurred. Principals of Individualism have been sacrificed on the alter of collectivist thought, collectivist governance and a general collectivist belief system among the populace.
Arguments can rage over how we got here and the path taken. Arguments can be made over the reasons we as a nation have gone collectivist, AKA 'rationalizations' and 'justifications'.
The bottom line is that we are here.
The real debate and the real battle-ground, is actually in the belief system, or in the philosophy of the role of government, held by our citizens.
As long as the beliefs and philosophy of 'collectivism' are accepted, expected and practiced by the general population (and government) we are destined to continue down the road toward totalitarianism. That path is inevitable.
All the semantics over this gun right vs. that gun restriction, or this snit POTUS Candidate vs. that snit POTUS Candidate, or this tax increase vs. that tax reduction...ad nauseum, is a distraction; for unless the root cause is recognized, focused on and subsequently pointed out to the ignorant, NOTHING will ever change toward a constitutionally restrained government, nor will the founding principals of Individualism ever be recognized and subsequently, demanded.
The simple fact is, that regardless of the reasons (and there are a multitude) we are now a collectivist nation, peopled by collectivist minded citizens.
Most are completely ignorant of what the nation was founded to be.
Most are completely ignorant of what 'Individualism' requires, what it entails, and/or are abjectly ignorant of the simple fact that this 'belief' or 'philosophy' of "Individualism", is what America was founded upon.
Many will offer platitudes of believing in 'individual rights', but then in the next breath, espouse some rationalization, or justification for a collectivist policy, or for the necessity of having a collectivist belief system.
As easy as it is to get caught up in the minutia of 'side-show' debates and issues, I plan on continuing to attempt a definition on the real battle-ground, that being to illustrate examples of "Collectivism vs. Individualism".
Failure to get people to understand this 'bottom-line' philosophical fight, will ensure the death of the Republic.
I look to my Individualist Brethren and my Individualist Associates, to continue the fight for individualism and ultimately the future of the Republic.
Lets get it on. Let the games begin again.[;)]
Rant off....
A short rant, if I may.....
In reflection, i've been a member of GB for approximately 6 years.
Over that time, my views have evolved in a much more 'stark' and 'it is what it is' direction, although my core beliefs have never changed.
This evolution came to pass, partly through maturing, but primarily through intent study and a deliberate focus on government actions, then applying critical thinking and assessment to the cause of those actions, the reasons they are taken and their logical 'end result', whether intended or not.
This, coupled with using the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Founding Principal of Individualism as a measure, or as a yardstick if you will.
I have studied the argument's posed here, and the position's taken by various members and arrived at the same conclusion which I previously noted, that being, that many citizens are completely clueless about what that feeling of 'something' being wrong in America, is all about.
It seems that no matter the manner in which issues are presented and no matter how obvious the particular wrong action/issue is, that many refuse to acknowledge what is so clear to freedom minded individuals.
It is obvious that a deliberate turn from the tenants of the Constitution and Bill of Rights has occurred. Principals of Individualism have been sacrificed on the alter of collectivist thought, collectivist governance and a general collectivist belief system among the populace.
Arguments can rage over how we got here and the path taken. Arguments can be made over the reasons we as a nation have gone collectivist, AKA 'rationalizations' and 'justifications'.
The bottom line is that we are here.
The real debate and the real battle-ground, is actually in the belief system, or in the philosophy of the role of government, held by our citizens.
As long as the beliefs and philosophy of 'collectivism' are accepted, expected and practiced by the general population (and government) we are destined to continue down the road toward totalitarianism. That path is inevitable.
All the semantics over this gun right vs. that gun restriction, or this snit POTUS Candidate vs. that snit POTUS Candidate, or this tax increase vs. that tax reduction...ad nauseum, is a distraction; for unless the root cause is recognized, focused on and subsequently pointed out to the ignorant, NOTHING will ever change toward a constitutionally restrained government, nor will the founding principals of Individualism ever be recognized and subsequently, demanded.
The simple fact is, that regardless of the reasons (and there are a multitude) we are now a collectivist nation, peopled by collectivist minded citizens.
Most are completely ignorant of what the nation was founded to be.
Most are completely ignorant of what 'Individualism' requires, what it entails, and/or are abjectly ignorant of the simple fact that this 'belief' or 'philosophy' of "Individualism", is what America was founded upon.
Many will offer platitudes of believing in 'individual rights', but then in the next breath, espouse some rationalization, or justification for a collectivist policy, or for the necessity of having a collectivist belief system.
As easy as it is to get caught up in the minutia of 'side-show' debates and issues, I plan on continuing to attempt a definition on the real battle-ground, that being to illustrate examples of "Collectivism vs. Individualism".
Failure to get people to understand this 'bottom-line' philosophical fight, will ensure the death of the Republic.
I look to my Individualist Brethren and my Individualist Associates, to continue the fight for individualism and ultimately the future of the Republic.
Lets get it on. Let the games begin again.[;)]
Rant off....
Comments
1. The change from rual to urban culture. Or the change form a more conservative (rual) values to more liberal (urban) values.
2. The ending of the draft! This was a great thing for 'young' people. It got them out of the house, gave them three hots and cot. They learned responsibility, and respect for authority. They learned there are consequences for actions, both good and bad. It could have been expanded to include the Peace Corps, rather than just ending it. Not to mention it helped them save for further education, we all don't have silver spoons in our mouths!
I do not see a reversal of this, so you are correct Jeff, it is going the wrong way and I see no way to stop it compleatly. I raised four boys with the rual values, and it is causeing them problem, as it did, and does me. Being an individuyal is not easy, but I sleep better at night![;)]
I also have never received ANYTHING from the government.
Heck,.....I have never even collected unemployment back when I could.
I was laid off one time, and went out and had another job within 3 days.
I DO get to pay unemployment taxes, both to the state, and the feds, on myself,.......the owner of my own business, that can never collect those benefits.
I also get to pay the employee, and employer share of SS/MC taxes, as I am looked at as both.
Not turning this into a "business" related issue, but I have done this for years, with only the occasional venting about it.
None of my family has ever collected welfare, or anything of the like,.......and yes I come from a very poor background.
Most folks in this country, even without getting into the lowdown minorities, and white trash, have learned to expect certain things from the government that were never intended to be provided by them.
It was meant to be "family" responsibility to help someone out for a short time to get back on their feet. After that "private" charities, and churches, helped the truly messed up,......i.e. alcoholics, and drug addicts.
Now you collect SSDI for being the above, or being too fat even.
If anyone here cannot see the "nanny" state that has developed, and the results of it,.......you are a blooming idiot![xx(]
We are on a path to destruction, and will soon be watching cattle walking through the streets, like in a third world country.
I have felt this coming for some time, and always felt I would selfishly escape it.
I am no longer certain of this.
I don't know about the rest of you, but when I was born in 1961, I did NOT receive a certificate that said I would never have to deal with hard times, and all would be guaranteed to me by the government.
The Constitution was written the way it was for a very specific reason.
Some of you question the "intelligence" of our founders,........they were far smarter than the 2 dolts we have running for POTUS right now.
Government was meant to be very limited. The family unit has been destroyed, and also self-reliance along with it.
You can't even discipline your own child, without the fear of being arrested.
Heck,.......I stay as far away from children as possible, as I do NOT want ANY contact with them. I may be arrested as a "pedophile" since I am a single male per se. All it takes is someone wanting to sue me, and I am toast.
I have become a very cold person compared to how I was as a child.
I would give anything to be able to have lived when people were different than now. I should not feel this way at 46.
Maybe I need a doc to put me on an "anti-depressant" like the other 60% of the population, so I can sit like a brain dead moron, and watch American Idol or such?
I think not!
Sorry for my ramblings BTW, and glad to see you back LT!
You are correct Jeff, but you make a very general observation. It is my beleif what we are seeing is a direct result of changes I have witnessed in my life time.
1. The change from rual to urban culture. Or the change form a more conservative (rual) values to more liberal (urban) values.
2. The ending of the draft! This was a great thing for 'young' people. It got them out of the house, gave them three hots and cot. They learned responsibility, and respect for authority. They learned there are consequences for actions, both good and bad. It could have been expanded to include the Peace Corps, rather than just ending it. Not to mention it helped them save for further education, we all don't have silver spoons in our mouths!
I do not see a reversal of this, so you are correct Jeff, it is going the wrong way and I see no way to stop it compleatly. I raised four boys with the rual values, and it is causeing them problem, as it did, and does me. Being an individual is not easy, but I sleep better at night![;)]
Jim, my intent was to avoid all the myriad of symptoms and individual events which have incrementally led us to this point.
I am boiling it down to the bottom-line, or the 'root cause', e.g. Collectivism as a philosophy and its resultant social demands and government actions.
It will take an understanding of this most basic issue, to make any change in the thinking of the people, or what the people find acceptable.
Conditioning has certainly played a direct role in getting us here, but the broad category of "Collectivism vs. Individualism" is where the rubber meets the road, on almost all issues of government and societal norms.
We are certainly living in a collectivist society.
There is no question in my mind.
Also where it ends in your synopsis,......is the same ending point I believe will happen.
Totalitarianism.
Yes most(99%[xx(])only care about themselves/american idol/opra/divorce court/Jerry Springer ect to even know there's a big picture out there falling off the wall. Many live day to day or paycheck to paycheck just not caring about anything else.[:(]
Lt496,.........I went off on my own rant I guess.
We are certainly living in a collectivist society.
There is no question in my mind.
Also where it ends in your synopsis,......is the same ending point I believe will happen.
Totalitarianism.
No problem Marc[:o)]. Happens to us all sooner or later.
The problem that faces us all is how to turn the tide, IF it can be turned.
I simply assess that unless a recognition of the 'root cause', e.g. collectivism, is achieved, all of our continual prattle about the "results" of collectivism are for naught.
Always enjoy your rants though Marc.[:D]
Good to see you back 496! I was wondering where you went.
Yes most(99%[xx(])only care about themselves/american idol/opra/divorce court/Jerry Springer ect to even know there's a big picture out there falling off the wall. Many live day to day or paycheck to paycheck just not caring about anything else.[:(]
Thanks Hunter.
Just a bit of a break from it for me. I got fed up with the new forum Gestapo that was unleashed over in Politics. Though about just fading away, but I love the debate too much I guess.
Also, even though I haven't met any of you, I feel like I am among friends with some of you.
Believe it, you are. [;)][:D]
Glad to have you back.[:D]
Up to your old tricks, already ? Putting your finger right on the suppurating sore, I see.
Odd ..we have two `collectives' responding that swear that they are `individuals' ..wonder how that works.
The thrust of your treatise is well taken. The answer lies in the Second Amendment.
We are powerless to educate 200-odd million people about their legacies, responsibilities, and duties as citizens of a free country. We few have neither the resources, outlets, nor numbers necessary to beat them at their own games ..that of endless propaganda, and the money taken from us at the point of a gun used to enslave the gullible and stupid.
Also, even though I haven't met any of you, I feel like I am among friends with some of you.
Believe it, you are. [;)][:D]
Glad to have you back.[:D]
Back at you Shane.
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
Good to see you back 496! I was wondering where you went.
Yes most(99%[xx(])only care about themselves/american idol/opra/divorce court/Jerry Springer ect to even know there's a big picture out there falling off the wall. Many live day to day or paycheck to paycheck just not caring about anything else.[:(]
Thanks Hunter.
Just a bit of a break from it for me. I got fed up with the new forum Gestapo that was unleashed over in Politics. Though about just fading away, but I love the debate too much I guess.
Also, even though I haven't met any of you, I feel like I am among friends with some of you.
I thought the exact same thing last week.
I guess I'll just have to ignore more things than I usually do.[;)]
To me it's like saying this is our place so you will abide by our rules even if it's unconstitutional.
Just like many states/municipalities have made unconstitutional laws because "you live in our city/state"[xx(]
Welcome back, Captain.
Up to your old tricks, already ? Putting your finger right on the suppurating sore, I see.
Odd ..we have two `collectives' responding that swear that they are `individuals' ..wonder how that works.
The thrust of your treatise is well taken. The answer lies in the Second Amendment.
We are powerless to educate 200-odd million people about their legacies, responsibilities, and duties as citizens of a free country. We few have neither the resources, outlets, nor numbers necessary to beat them at their own games ..that of endless propaganda, and the money taken from us at the point of a gun used to enslave the gullible and stupid.
Bert, thanks.
As usual, you are correct, in that Amendment II is the key to liberty's resistance to the collective. Education won't do it, but it may sway more to the proper path.
As for the rest, well, that's why we keep and bear arms.[;)] The collective can only have so much and the rest must be taken by force if they want it badly enough.
I've only been a member here for a short while, but I have learned alot from my brief time aboard. It shocks me to see so many supposed supporters of 2A and the rest of the BOR buying in to the nonsense the collectivists are putting out in regards to governmental regulations and interference with excersize of constitutional rights. So much of what should be an individual choice/responsibility has been thrust onto "the gummint" to decide for us. Too many sheeple don't wish to be bothered with taking care of things on their own, and they feed, as Highball would say "the beast" and make it grow so they can pursue whatever leisure activity is at hand to distract them from the reality of life.
OK, my rant is over too..............[:D]
Sorry if m,y spelling is poor, I've been working on my foundation (yes, building me and my daughter a house with my own 2 little hands), and the sand from the mortar got in my gloves and pretty much sanded the skin off a couple fingers so I'm typing two-fingered..............
Perfect, Sir...the perfect example of "Individual"..taking responsibility for yourself and your loved ones.
There is a basic act that in the old days was EXPECTED...if you moved West to get away from ignorant neighbors...you wanted a house...you built it. If the roof leaked...it was because you are an indifferent builder...not becuase some prik skimped on the shingles.
Jeff; Try as I might...I just cannot seem to 'retire' my mouth. Sitting in the cafe today, the Mistress of the place asked me for whom I was voting.
"Obama"...you would have thought I threw a turd into the middle of the table.
After awhile, I asked THEM how they could vote for a man that demands that the border remain open...and votes to give Social Security to barbarians ? No answer except..'lesser of two evils'...
Then I told them I intend writting in Ron Paul...All meaningless, as you mentioned.. the collective gathers strength and confidence.
Not to go off on a sci-fi geek tangent, but these "collectivists" are like the Borg in star trek i.e they say "resistance is futile" yet when one fights the collective as does Captain Picard, you see how individualists can take a bad situation, fight through it and come out on top. Only through continually putting the message out there can we wake those who will allow themselves to be awakened, show them how far we've gone off course, and through the newly awakened find the path BACK to individual duty and responsibilty.
I've only been a member here for a short while, but I have learned alot from my brief time aboard. It shocks me to see so many supposed supporters of 2A and the rest of the BOR buying in to the nonsense the collectivists are putting out in regards to governmental regulations and interference with excersize of constitutional rights. So much of what should be an individual choice/responsibility has been thrust onto "the gummint" to decide for us. Too many sheeple don't wish to be bothered with taking care of things on their own, and they feed, as Highball would say "the beast" and make it grow so they can pursue whatever leisure activity is at hand to distract them from the reality of life.
OK, my rant is over too..............[:D]
Sorry if m,y spelling is poor, I've been working on my foundation (yes, building me and my daughter a house with my own 2 little hands), and the sand from the mortar got in my gloves and pretty much sanded the skin off a couple fingers so I'm typing two-fingered..............
Glad you are here with us No. 5.[;)] The drum of individualism will keep beating, regardless of whether the opposition likes it, or not.[;)]
quote:Sorry if m,y spelling is poor, I've been working on my foundation (yes, building me and my daughter a house with my own 2 little hands), and the sand from the mortar got in my gloves and pretty much sanded the skin off a couple fingers so I'm typing two-fingered..............
Perfect, Sir...the perfect example of "Individual"..taking responsibility for yourself and your loved ones.
There is a basic act that in the old days was EXPECTED...if you moved West to get away from ignorant neighbors...you wanted a house...you built it. If the roof leaked...it was because you are an indifferent builder...not becuase some prik skimped on the shingles.
Jeff; Try as I might...I just cannot seem to 'retire' my mouth. Sitting in the cafe today, the Mistress of the place asked me for whom I was voting.
"Obama"...you would have thought I threw a turd into the middle of the table.
After awhile, I asked THEM how they could vote for a man that demands that the border remain open...and votes to give Social Security to barbarians ? No answer except..'lesser of two evils'...
Then I told them I intend writting in Ron Paul...All meaningless, as you mentioned.. the collective gathers strength and confidence.
I wish that you wouldn't even try to 'retire' your mouth Bert, not that I think you're serious about doing so.[:o)]
There is little that is more refreshing to me than Highball, Freedom's Old Warhorse, telling it like he sees it.
For those of us who stand, unapologetic, for individualism, The Constitution, The Republic and for personal freedom, well, we'll just keep on keeping on, as they say.
Good to have a band of like minded Brothers, or Brethren, as is the case with The Order of The Brethren of The Canary *.
I can think of a few others, worthy of the Order, IF they so choose to join.
I can think of a few others, worthy of the Order, IF they so choose to join.
Indeed, yes.
I hesitate to ask and embarrass them publicly ..for it takes stones to be associated with us. Some will not wish to be.
There are perhaps 3 more commonly posting that would be ideal candidates for such an exalted position...
SUPPORTERS OF THE CONSTITUTION !!!
The Order of "The Brethren of The Canary *" has no other function
Should we be amazed at such a pathetic few that have managed to throw off the shackles of collectivism ?
No ..we should not. History has PROVEN that most are comfortable under the whip and chains ..indeed ..they cannot function without someone telling them what to do.
Captain, Yourself and the few others that understand the situation, and our position in it, are far more valuable then the tens of millions that merely exist out there.
I rather would have ONE of you as a friend then have the flat-lined masses laud me as `somebody'...for their `sombodys' are nothing but dog squeezings.
As you mentioned...I have met none of the " Candy * Order"..yet the depth of character it takes to withstand the withering personal attacks we withstand on a daily basis speaks for itself. Those are men to ride the river with...men that will drive their horse right out in the current and drag your butt out if your own horse goes down. Men to be depended upon in time of need.
If you have not done so, I would strongly suggest taking the time and reading it. In 1932, Huxley looked well beyond the present, and his social creation was truly inventive. It would be much less inventive if written now.
True individualists today, the likes of Randy Weaver, for example, are already treated in much the same manner as was John the Savage.
If I may,
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=314572&SearchTerms=canary,*
The Brethren was formed based upon a line stated by tallcharlie over in politics, suggesting that there many of us who talked the talk but would find difficulty mustering the courage to follow through on our rhetoric. The quote is in the sig line below.
The Brethren is tongue-in-cheek, yet reflects the function of the canary in the coalmine with respect to the steady erosion of not just our rights of firearm ownership, but our rights as individuals in general.
I, as the first self-identified 'Canary-*' would welcome you into the fold. Nos. 1 and 2 were reserved for those who would be more worthy than I, and those two positions were definitely filled by folks worthy of the positions.
The goal is the promotion of the U.S. Constitution and the individualistic nature of the founding of this great country. The method is through informing those that feel they still breath free how they are truly breathing tainted air; polluted by collectivism and over-reaching government.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=313528
Where it all began. Pg#2, post #39, last sentence.
CA #2
I am always into furthering those goals, and don't embarrass easily.
The down side is I am not the orator that many are here. LT496, Don, WS, Highball,.......are far above my skills, and ability to pump out facts.
On the positive side, I thoroughly believe in the Constitution as written, and also in individualism.
The second amendment is THE most important right to me, and I feel it is just that,.....a right, not to be obfuscated by politicians, or even the SCOTUS.
It was clearly put there for the purposes of self-defense, and most importantly, to preserve what the founders fought for in the first place,.......that being maintaining personal freedom, and even to be used against a government gone awry.
The second is also what guarantees all of our other rights, as without it, we will simply become another socialist country.
Marc,
Oratorical skills?
You stated, " I thoroughly believe in the Constitution as written."
That says it all. What you stated is one of the greatest orations a man can make. Spot-on.[;)]
In a nutshell,....after checking with the "higher ups", I would be proud to be a member of the Brotherhood, as I already feel that way now with you folks here.
You must be able to ignore my often "inane" postings in GD, as I am a guy with an active sense of humor, and I will get into subjects about anything, and everything.
Let me know if I get accepted by the rank and file!
As I said previously,.......I am already 50% qualified.
I only need the "canary" part added!
He's got CA #2's vote[;)][:D]. What say the rest? Shall he become #6?
You must be able to ignore my often "inane" postings in GD, as I am a guy with an active sense of humor, and I will get into subjects about anything, and everything.
Welcome aboard, Marc, you have my vote.
I too will engage in inane postings on occasion. I try to reserve those postings, however, for my pseudonym.[:)]
At the present time, we still need a unanimous decision ..perhaps it is time to merely require a majority. That brings us to a "democracy'... AND I GAG AT THAT.
Any thoughts on this subject, Canary * ?
I have been reading Marcs' posts for awhile ..and feel he will be a welcome addition.
Captain Jeff ..may I suggest that you post your original topic...only ..over on General ?
Your post makes much sense. Yes WE that belive in Individualism, seem to be few.
IMO nothing will change the masses, short of something huge. I belive the "government" is allready racing into that "brickwall". Time will tell...
ALSO, I don't visit politics anymore. I hadn't the foggiest what it was about. Now I know.
IF my feathered friends would have me, #7 is my lucky number. [;)]
Yea from #2.[;)][:D]
While it seems we have accepted Marc as #6, I see we have candidate #7, freemind.
Yea from #2.[;)][:D]
Yes from #3
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
While it seems we have accepted Marc as #6, I see we have candidate #7, freemind.
Yea from #2.[;)][:D]
Yes from #3
Oh crap.
I mean yes from No. 3.
This is NOT the direction I would have guessed this post would take.
Nothing bad, mind ya.
New inductees into the brotherhood is a GOOD thing. IMHO
Ya just never know, where a thread is going to go. [:D][:D][:D]
WB 496.
OK guys[8D]I know I'm not the brightest candle on the cake(insert snyde comments)but what's this "canary ash" group about?
Evidently I've missed something...maybe better off I did? [:D]
LT, GREAT to have you back friend.
Your post makes much sense. Yes WE that belive in Individualism, seem to be few.
IMO nothing will change the masses, short of something huge. I belive the "government" is allready racing into that "brickwall". Time will tell...
ALSO, I don't visit politics anymore. I hadn't the foggiest what it was about. Now I know.
IF my feathered friends would have me, #7 is my lucky number. [;)]
Thanks friend freemind.
I say "aye" to your joining The Order of The Brethren of The Canary *.
If accepted, No. 7 it will be.
It appears we have a quorum of the "The Order of The Brethren of The Canary *".
At the present time, we still need a unanimous decision ..perhaps it is time to merely require a majority. That brings us to a "democracy'... AND I GAG AT THAT.
Any thoughts on this subject, Canary * ?
I have been reading Marcs' posts for awhile ..and feel he will be a welcome addition.
Captain Jeff ..may I suggest that you post your original topic...only ..over on General ?
Certainly No. 1
A fine idea, although it will be received and commented on in a skeptical manner by the naysayers who infest GD.
Another good chance to get the message out about Collectivism vs. Individualism, perhaps.
It appears we have a quorum of the "The Order of The Brethren of The Canary *".
At the present time, we still need a unanimous decision ..perhaps it is time to merely require a majority. That brings us to a "democracy'... AND I GAG AT THAT.
Any thoughts on this subject, Canary * ?
I have been reading Marcs' posts for awhile ..and feel he will be a welcome addition.
Captain Jeff ..may I suggest that you post your original topic...only ..over on General ?
Bert, the deed, she is done.
The OP, she is posted in General and soon to be in need of active defense.
No. 4 has also voted to say "Aye" to Marc and to freemind joining the Brethren. As No 4's alter ego, I concur.[:o)]
No. 4 and I would also vote to extend an offer of joining the Brethren, to friend pickenup, if the Brethren concur and IF he so chooses.
I started another thread concerning inductees to avoid further hijacking of your thread. I will go with the flow.
It appears we have a complete vote of NO.6;
Marc1301, consider yourself a member in full standing of the Brethren of the Order of the Canary *.
Futher votes needed for No. 7...I am confident that will happen quickly.
This is where it started: page 2, post#39, last sentence
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=313528
HunterMag
This is where it started: page 2, post#39, last sentence
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=313528
OK I remember reading that a while back.[:D]
It is a shame this topic was locked over in GD, as the philosophical discussion is truly at the heart of where we are and where we are headed.
Your point is 100% correct, and the path to correction, that being the education of the masses to the simple though currently unpopular fact that a strong sense of individualism is the only means of continuing a strong and united country is true, it is pure, and it should be obvious.
Freedom in this country is currently defined as what we as individuals are allowed to do by our government. Obviously that is not the freedom intended by our Founding Fathers.
Brad Steele