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Firearm shipment to California
johnpar2
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Is it legal for an individual, non FFL holder, to ship a long gun to a California FFL dealer? I've tried to obtain this info from posted California laws but unable to find a straight answer. If anyone knows the correct statute or code it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for ANY help on this! John
Thanks for ANY help on this! John
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Is it legal for an individual, non FFL holder, to ship a long gun to a California FFL dealer?
Yes it is, just like any other state. You don't even have to comply with the stupid FFL to FFL shipping law and extra paperwork.
Straight from the California DOJ.
quote:2. I am not an FFL but I want to ship a firearm to a California FFL. Do I have to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number before shipping a firearm to California?
No. The requirement to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number only applies to holders of valid FFLs.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs.php#2
While still legal, a problem you may find, is that many Ca FFLs will not accept a firearm from anyone other than another FFL. Some Ca FFLs are afraid to ruffle the feathers of the DOJ.
Thanks very much for the info! Looks like a non FFL can ship but a FFL holder cannot without going thru the CA registration process???????? Well this makes about as much sense as the rest of the garbage "government" does. No wonder we're going broke! Thanks again
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Thanks very much for the info! Looks like a non FFL can ship but a FFL holder cannot without going thru the CA registration process???????? Well this makes about as much sense as the rest of the garbage "government" does. No wonder we're going broke! Thanks again
Ya think? Why do you think so many FFL holders are refusing to deal with CA, and you should too, until CA whiny gun owners do something about it, other than whining.
I'll get off my soapbox now:>).
I understand that FFL01 dealers outside of California are fearful of involvement with the California DOJ. Thankfully, some dealers have taken the time to educate themselves on the necessary simple procedure to ship firearms into our State and they are now reaping the benefits of selling large numbers of compliant firearms in California. I would like to thank those dealers that have taken the time to accomplish this.
It angers and saddens me to see what has occurred in California. With support of our friends in other States, we will continue to exercise our constitutionally given rights to purchase the firearms we want and need.
Ya think? Why do you think so many FFL holders are refusing to deal with CA, and you should too, until CA whiny gun owners do something about it, other than whining.
Wow, you really have no idea what you are talking about or how hard we are fighting for gun rights in CA. Get of your high horse for a moment and stop being so arrogant. A lot of gun owners simply left CA to the liberals when things started getting tough, the ones that stayed are FAR outnumbered and fighting an uphill battle. One which we are winning more often than not in the last few years. Did you know I can buy an AR-15 in CA now?
Is easy for you say we should do something, but when we ask you to send more guns into the state, probably the best way to win the culture war and make sure RKBA lives, you want to make it as hard as possible. Thanks. Remember that BS laws that begin here often make their way to other states and the federal level. Remember who your friends are and who your enemies are. Here is a hint: CA gun owners are not the enemy.
But than again I'm sure it feels good to just bash someone else, even if it's just because they live "behind enemy lines".
Ya think? Why do you think so many FFL holders are refusing to deal with CA, and you should too, until CA whiny gun owners do something about it, other than whining.
I'll bet you would have also scoffed at the French Resistance after their country was taken by the Nazis.
We're in a similar boat, and not just "whining" about it.
quote:Originally posted by johnpar2
Thanks very much for the info! Looks like a non FFL can ship but a FFL holder cannot without going thru the CA registration process???????? Well this makes about as much sense as the rest of the garbage "government" does. No wonder we're going broke! Thanks again
Ya think? Why do you think so many FFL holders are refusing to deal with CA, and you should too, until CA whiny gun owners do something about it, other than whining.
and what the hell do you know about what Californian gun owners are doing ?
maybe you need to look into how many NRA members there are from cali vs whatever state you hail from
If your going to blame us for our gun laws I'm going to personally hold you responsible for Barry O being elected into office.
Ya think? Why do you think so many FFL holders are refusing to deal with CA, and you should too, until CA whiny gun owners do something about it, other than whining.
I agree with Blackwater Ops, NOT shipping to Kalifornia lets the anti-gunners win. I used to live in the People's Republic of Maryland and they are almost as bad as CA. Point is it's not only firearms they want to control, it's every damn facet of your life - where you can live & work, where you can set up a business, where you send your kids to school, permits, regulations, zoning, taxes - they won't rest until they are complete masters. If you want to read an interesting book get a copy of "The America We Lost" by Mario Pei (Amazon.com). It was published in 1968 and shows the path America is following to become socialized - the same as Europe. Read it and your eyes will be opened to where we are headed! We all need to get involved - on all fronts of these issues. Get your non gun friends to join the NRA to help protect our Constitution - whats left of it. Join the grass roots community at grassfire.org. Get involved now and start educating your friends!
BTW, should Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Delaware and so on state gun owners be punished because they have rabidly anti gun politicians, some of them getting into national office and a few having pushed the '94 AW ban.
Punishing CA gun owners - great concept, and one that will stop pretty quickly if a nationwide AW ban kicks in. Then you'll see those "No Sales to CA" postings come down pretty quickly.
OK I'm a new member here and a member of calguns. Gun owners in CA. are doing everything we can to win our battle with RKBA. Just to let you see what I have been able to buy in the last couple of years, here are my AR style rifles.
where are the 30 rd mags, beta mags, and such? is that why you need five instead of one?
also where you able to buy them from your neighbor?
sorry i had to do that, i truly feel sorry for you californians and i know there are good people there that are just stuck in a crappy situation but dont come on here and try to belittle and attack us because we CHOOSE to live in a freer state than you.
All rifles where bought from out of state FFL's and tranferred to my local FFL.
We all just need to remember we are in this fight together no matter if you live in CA. or PA. or anywhere. The liberals will do everything they can to take our guns. Don't think just because you don't live in CA. that your guns are safe. All gun owners should be working together for our RKBA and our 2A Rights. All that we in CA. ask is to work together and stop all the FUD.
I have other rifles that people believe we can't have.
quote:Originally posted by BroncoBob
OK I'm a new member here and a member of calguns. Gun owners in CA. are doing everything we can to win our battle with RKBA. Just to let you see what I have been able to buy in the last couple of years, here are my AR style rifles.
where are the 30 rd mags, beta mags, and such? is that why you need five instead of one?
also where you able to buy them from your neighbor?
sorry i had to do that, i truly feel sorry for you californians and i know there are good people there that are just stuck in a crappy situation but dont come on here and try to belittle and attack us because we CHOOSE to live in a freer state than you.
I'm always amused when people bring up the "You Choose to live there". Honestly how many people actually get to choose where they live. I guarantee that a good 75% of people on these boards live in the same State they were born in, or ended up in due to a job and now are stuck there, due to having a family/home or financial reasons.
How many adults can just get up and move? I would think only the very rich or the the lowly laborer who can stack shelves no matter where he moves. The average person with a family and responsibilities can not just get up and relocate because they want 11+ round mags.
It's a shame everyone always wants to throw the people in California under the bus and forget about them, if you guys spent 10 minutes and learned the actual laws in California instead of spending hours telling everyone from there "sucks for you", you guys would realize that except for high cap mags and a few named items, everything is pretty much good to go here, and "all that extra paperwork" that is required for an FFL to send an item to California, takes up a whopping minute to enter some simple info into a computer and print out 1 piece of paper.
As has been said over and over again. Us now, you next.
Oh and by the way you can buy an AR from your neighbor. Yes it's not cash and carry, you just have to meet at a local FFL and fill out some paperwork.
Here we are overwhelmed with California natives...explaining how none of this is any of their fault at all. You all just didn't see it coming...did you.
The steady increase in the perverted status of your little country just blinded everybody to the ugly face that was growing in Sacramento..and now `suddenly' the gun laws are becoming unbearable.
NOT of course, because they are UNBEARABLE...merely because the dealers in the Free States have refused to sell to you. THAT is a SIN ..beyond your comprehension.
I commend every dealer out there that has refused to sell you a gun. At least...you have gotten off your DEAD * and at LEAST started to complain about...no, NOT about the LAWS..but about free people that refuse to OBEY those laws.
Perhaps you will find the courage to actually turn that anger towards those that are CAUSING your pain...the rotten scum that lives across the street from you...and the legislators that they elect.
Oh and by the way you can buy an AR from your neighbor. Yes it's not cash and carry, you just have to meet at a local FFL and fill out some paperwork.
How Constitutional.
Reminds me of an old Pink Floyd lyric;
"...and IiiiiiiIiiiiiiiI have become, comfortably numb."
you guys would realize that except for high cap mags and a few named items, everything is pretty much good to go here, and "all that extra paperwork" that is required for an FFL to send an item to California, takes up a whopping minute to enter some simple info into a computer and print out 1 piece of paper.
Oh and by the way you can buy an AR from your neighbor. Yes it's not cash and carry, you just have to meet at a local FFL and fill out some paperwork.
How Constitutional.
Reminds me of an old Pink Floyd lyric;
"...and IiiiiiiIiiiiiiiI have become, comfortably numb."
So what song will you sound like in a few years?
Again you offer nothing more than just more bashing. The funny part is that there is a huge active movement in California to change things, while the rest of you guys sit on your laurels and mock us.
The best thing that could happen for everybody "Us and Them" would be a huge influx of participating FFL's from out of state, that would show that even though the people in Sacramento keep trying to take our rights away, that others in this Country will not have it. That gives us more power and could help you out in the long run also.
What will you do to get your rights back? Your only option will be to stand up and take political action like we have here in California to try to eliminate the restrictions. In the short term, you will have no choice but to comply with the law while legal action grinds on. Learn from our fight because yours is just beginning and then you will realize that this is everyone's problem. Bashing and restricting Californians accomplishes nothing in the big fight that we all face.
For those that have already made an absolute decision not to sell to California, fine we respect your decision. Whether it be from fear of dealing with California DOJ, desire to make a political statement, just want to be cool like your buddies or you are just too busy, no problem. We will spend our huge gun budgets with someone else. Count on it. There are numerous sellers that understand that we are only exercising our constitutional rights and we will continue to do so with their cooperation.
For sellers that are on the fence about this, there are several dealers in free States that will receive shipments from you so that you do not have to deal with California's silly laws at all. These dealers then charge us Californians a fee, which we happily pay, to re-ship our purchases to us or make them California compliant. There are huge business opportunities for willing dealers to perform this service. We only have a small number of dealers currently doing this but they are overwhelmed with business and making a boatload of money.
For those that will listen, please consider removing the "no sales to California" language from your auctions. If you don't want to sell directly to California, give your West coast buyers the option of your shipping to these intermediary FFLs. You have nothing to lose and everybody wins!
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Isn't this all rather...amusing.
Here we are overwhelmed with California natives...explaining how none of this is any of their fault at all. You all just didn't see it coming...did you.
The steady increase in the perverted status of your little country just blinded everybody to the ugly face that was growing in Sacramento..and now `suddenly' the gun laws are becoming unbearable.
NOT of course, because they are UNBEARABLE...merely because the dealers in the Free States have refused to sell to you. THAT is a SIN ..beyond your comprehension.
I commend every dealer out there that has refused to sell you a gun. At least...you have gotten off your DEAD * and at LEAST started to complain about...no, NOT about the LAWS..but about free people that refuse to OBEY those laws.
Perhaps you will find the courage to actually turn that anger towards those that are CAUSING your pain...the rotten scum that lives across the street from you...and the legislators that they elect.
You are a Tool, once Obama gets done reinstating that "Assault Weapons Ban" you will once again curl up in the fetal position, exactly the same as you did when Bill Clinton enacted the original ban. Your "courage" "turn anger" is all talk, you never have nor ever will do sh-t.
Another friggin keyboard commando - I bet you're a 5'1" 95lb nerdly virgin playing a tough guy on the internet. Booooo.
Oh and for wsfiredude and highball we are not complaining we have dealers that sell to us, all we ask is not to split gun owners on RKBA and 2A Rights. If they the anti's split us they will win and we'll ALL LOOSE.
Oh, my goodness...how the hell did you look thru my screen and SEE me, anyway ?
That being said...did I miss the ten thousand of you storming Sacramento DEMANDING your Rights back ?
Funny ..the queers over there do it on a regular basis...every time one of them breaks a fingernail.
Do you even KNOW, any more..what the Second Amendment SAYS ??
You a dealer, are you..? Doing the governments work by collecting names and addresses of private Citizens...for the government databases ?
Personally, I believe that gun manufactures ought to cease selling PERIOD to California ..as a warning to the government that they are DONE being coerced by rules, regulations, and laws infringing on the Second.
This is a test ..nothing but a test. If we the Free States `flood' your miserable state with weapons ..it is proof positive that we are ripe for more gun laws.
Interesting that Highball is advocating doing exactly what the anti-gunners want.
He's to stooooopid to see that. His type is the reason this country is in such piss poor shape. Unfortunately there are monions of mindless morons just like him. Highball is truely the friend of liberal democrats everywhere....
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 11:32:42 PM
Interesting that Highball is advocating doing exactly what the anti-gunners want.
Such ignorance of your own history.
How very interesting that this california shill advocates obeying without question government edicts, laws, rules, and regulations...EVEN OF YOU DON'T HAVE TOO !!!
kNOW WHAT ? If I thought that you big, brave Americans over there had ANY intentions of using those weapons for what the Founders INTENDED...I would be shilling right along side you.
I don't...and I won't.
Get off your computer on occassion..........there is a whole world of reality outside, you really should try it some time Strawman.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
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Posted - 01/07/2009 : 11:32:42 PM
Interesting that Highball is advocating doing exactly what the anti-gunners want.
Such ignorance of your own history.
How very interesting that this california shill advocates obeying without question government edicts, laws, rules, and regulations...EVEN OF YOU DON'T HAVE TOO !!!
kNOW WHAT ? If I thought that you big, brave Americans over there had ANY intentions of using those weapons for what the Founders INTENDED...I would be shilling right along side you.
I don't...and I won't.
So far, you haven't laid a delicately scented lavender glove on me, yet ..you the best they have ?
No wonder you `boys' are going down the tube. It is quite obvious that the deviant lifestyle has left many of you without the ammunition to fight a good fight ..for anything except further deviancy.
Entirely too bad that you cannot turn that anger, rage, and hate towards those DOING YOU HARM...your politicians.
That is dangerous, tho...isn't it.
FAR better for your personal safety if you vent your rage towards one that has never done you any harm...except point to the Constitution and attempt to get you to READ the damn thing.
I repeat myself, you are a moronic hypocrite.
My neighbors did vote for the right people. My neighbors do like guns. We overwhelmingly voted for conservative issues. I have had mine since I was 22. I live in a county that hands out CCWs like candy.
I also live in a state where big city liberals have us vastly outnumbered. I could talk myself into thinking I could crap myself a million dollars and it would be about as useful as your stupid rant. Sometimes, you can't win. Well you know that, you allowed Obama to be elected.
I volunteer for the Friends of the NRA. My chapter has raised well over $100k in the last six years. I have sold well over a thousand AR15 receivers and rifles to Californians over the last three years. I have helped overturn gun laws in this state.
I have been active and I am making a difference out here.
Talk is cheap. What do you do for the cause? Probably just act like a moron. You got that down to a tee.
For any out of state dealers out there reading this: you should not feel obligated to sell to California. You are well within your rights to refuse to send guns this way.
However I believe you are making a fundamental business mistake and a political mistake. The liberals of this state want you to right off lawful business. They want to discourage you from sending more guns into the state.
The gun owners that live out here are extremely loyal and very active customers. I know as I have been a dealer in this state for the past three years and one of the top AR15 stores in my state. By taking an extra second to be educated about the laws, you will open up a huge market that can easily be exploited. Before the panic I was having no problem selling AR15 lowers for $150. It didn't matter which brand, they were all $150. You were lucky to make $20 on an AR15 lower at that time.
Californians' money is just as good as anyone else's and our laws are just as easy to comply with as anyone else's. If you want to piss off a liberal and help a conservative, ship a gun to California.
If you want to be intimidated by my liberal legislators into fearing their power, I understand. Many dealers are. Then again, many successful dealers are not and they probably don't like us letting you in on this little secret.
By the way I am not a CA native. I am active duty military stationed in Ca so I am not choosing to live here but I have to follow the law like everybody else. Not being a resident of CA I do not get to vote on issues and the crooks that run CA. I do my part by taking non gun owners to the range and get them into shooting. I have quite a few friends that my shooting buddies and I have converted into gun owning NRA members.
Some of the out of state sellers that refuse CA buyers are just plain silly. I have seen auctions that refuse to ship gun cases, slings, scopes and other harmless firearm related items. Are they afraid if they sell a gun case to a CA resident that they might catch new gun law from the Ca money.
The biggest joke about the sellers that don't sell to CA is that most CA gun owners are willing pay a higher price for a gun that is hard to get but legal in CA. A gun that sells for $500 where you are at probably sells for $700 out here in the shops because the shops know they are hard to get in CA. I know this from experience. When I bought my M&P15 I found them for around $900 out of CA but all said "will not ship to CA". The one I bought in CA was almost $1300 bucks. If I was an out of CA FFL I would love to be getting that kind of profit on the guns I sold to CA residents.
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by johnpar2
Thanks very much for the info! Looks like a non FFL can ship but a FFL holder cannot without going thru the CA registration process???????? Well this makes about as much sense as the rest of the garbage "government" does. No wonder we're going broke! Thanks again
Ya think? Why do you think so many FFL holders are refusing to deal with CA, and you should too, until CA whiny gun owners do something about it, other than whining.
and what the hell do you know about what Californian gun owners are doing ?
maybe you need to look into how many NRA members there are from cali vs whatever state you hail from
If your going to blame us for our gun laws I'm going to personally hold you responsible for Barry O being elected into office.
After having spent 12 years there I know a whole lot more about CA than you do, son. Now, crawl back to calguns and whine.
CA gun owners are not the enemy.
Yup. You sure are. Always been, always will be.
Entirely too bad that you cannot turn that anger, rage, and hate towards those DOING YOU HARM...your politicians.
That is dangerous, tho...isn�t it.
FAR better for your personal safety if you vent your rage towards one that has never done you any harm...except point to the Constitution and attempt to get you to READ the damn thing.
Bingo.
http://www.ninehundred.net/~equalccw/knifelaw.html
Free your mind.
Oh - trivia question....which Circuit Court is about to hear a 2A case that might lead to incorporation of the Second Amendment? Think hard.
Hint - it's in the city where Highball buys his delicately scented lavender gloves.....
With President elect Obama taking office in a just a few short days I call on you to dig deep for both the financial and rhetorical suppport you have shown in years past. If you recall, back in 1994 you were both instrumental in assisting our group pass the Assault Weapons Ban. Thank you again!
As noted in this thread, more guns equal more gun violence and I commend you both for the moral stance you have taken with regard to current and prospective California gun owners. We have put $Millions into California and it would be a terrible loss for us to lose even an inch of ground.
Once again, thank you. Sarah is very proud of you both.
also where you able to buy them from your neighbor?
sorry i had to do that, i truly feel sorry for you californians and i know there are good people there that are just stuck in a crappy situation but dont come on here and try to belittle and attack us because we CHOOSE to live in a freer state than you.
And when such laws come to your free state, where will you run next? Or will you stay and fight, like we do? I don't know if you noticed, but crappy Californian laws are usually used as a model by other states and the federal government. So you better support or at least be grateful to the Californians who fight those laws in this godforsaken state before they spread to the rest of the country, so that you don't have to.
Isn't this all rather...amusing.
Here we are overwhelmed with California natives...explaining how none of this is any of their fault at all. You all just didn't see it coming...did you.
The steady increase in the perverted status of your little country just blinded everybody to the ugly face that was growing in Sacramento..and now `suddenly' the gun laws are becoming unbearable.
NOT of course, because they are UNBEARABLE...merely because the dealers in the Free States have refused to sell to you. THAT is a SIN ..beyond your comprehension.
I commend every dealer out there that has refused to sell you a gun. At least...you have gotten off your DEAD * and at LEAST started to complain about...no, NOT about the LAWS..but about free people that refuse to OBEY those laws.
Perhaps you will find the courage to actually turn that anger towards those that are CAUSING your pain...the rotten scum that lives across the street from you...and the legislators that they elect.
You mean to say, the laws became unbearable when the hippies and other nnuts from the entire country got attracted to the Californian weather and moved here, all the while screwing up what used to be a decent state? It's sad to see that History is taught the same in the rest of the country as it's taught in California - not at all. As someone pointed out before, us first, but you'll be next. Until then, enjoy your self-anointed exalted status as a supreme human being who would never, ever let such things happen on his watch...
I had Multiple FFLs in California refuse to accept longarms shipped to them right after the new law of which of course I had no idea of. I asked my local FFLs if they would ship. They said NO they want nothing to do with the DOJ and basically #$#& CALIFORNIA. I no longer sell to California, either they get together and do something about there legistators, or protect themselves with under 3 inch knives.
Congratulations, you like many other out of CA FFLs fell for the CA DOJ plan of keeping legal guns out of California. That is the only reason they made that new FFL law in July. Because they knew out of state FFLs would cave instead of going through one more step to transfer a firearm. All the new law does is verify that the CA FFL you want to ship to is a valid FFL. If the check says not valid you get a "do not ship" letter. If good you get an "ok to ship letter" How hard is that? Even though they knew that the feds already have an online FFL check the DOJ knew the out of state FFLs would whine about one more hoop to jump through.
The CA DOJ has been busted a few times by the Calguns Foundation trying to enforce backdoor illegal regulations and using scare tactics on adjoining states FLLs that had no legal standings. You can even compare the CA Penal codes to what the DOJ has posted on their website and find where the DOJ made their own interruption of the penal code.
You guys might as well join the Brady Campaign if you keep your current attitude toward CA because you are only helping their cause. They want to divide the gun owners so they can take us down. We should be helping each other instead of saying @$#@ you to each other.