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How about a little help

IfticarIfticar Member Posts: 58 ✭✭
PEBO has a web site where he has asked for citizens to tell him what they would like to see him accomplish. Others can then vote upon that idea. Each up vote adds ten points. Each down vote subtracts ten points.

I have made a request:

Develop a K through 12 national curriculum that teaches our nation's youth use the responsibilities of gun ownership as a US Citizen. This curriculum should include the historical reasons for the inclusion of the Second Amendment into the Constitution, the current rational as to why individual ownership of guns is not just a right but a duty, gun safety, proper usage and live fire training.

So far, it's vote count is -20. It needs more, many more positive votes. It is easy to register to vote at this site. They ask for an email address but do not verify it before letting you vote.

Please go vote this up at:
http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.apexp?id=0878000000051VU

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    chaoslodgechaoslodge Member Posts: 790 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good post and good effort for us all to make. I am actually impressed with the high ratings pro Constitutional gun ideas are getting on Obama's site.
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    wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    PEBO has a web site where he has asked for citizens to tell him what they would like to see him accomplish. Others can then vote upon that idea. Each up vote adds ten points. Each down vote subtracts ten points.

    I have made a request:

    Develop a K through 12 national curriculum that teaches our nation's youth use the responsibilities of gun ownership as a US Citizen. This curriculum should include the historical reasons for the inclusion of the Second Amendment into the Constitution, the current rational as to why individual ownership of guns is not just a right but a duty, gun safety, proper usage and live fire training.



    You are a true American patriot in every sense of the word. WTG!!![;)][:D]
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    HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I took the liberty of posting this over on General.

    Welcome to the forum, Ifticar.
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    wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Done.


    Constitutional adherence


    President Elect Obama,

    In 5 days, you will take a sacred oath. Part of that oath reads, "...to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States..." VP Elect Biden, every Senator, and every Representative swear to this in their respective oaths as well.

    I want nothing more than to see you, VP Elect Biden, each Senator, and each Representative filter everything you do through the Constitution. If any bill runs contrary to the principles set forth in the Constitution, it should never leave the floor of the House or Senate. If it does, and makes it to your desk, I would hope that it never sees your signature.

    You have made history, and you have the unique opportunity to make even more by being the first President in many years that stands 100% firm and unwavering on the Constitution. Do this, and I assure you the respect you earn from the American people will be exponential.

    I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but a Libertarian. Although my views and beliefs may differ from yours, I wish you and our country the best.
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    HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    130 reads, over on General. I would have thought those folks would jump on it.
    Shows you how wrong I am...again...when it comes to dealing with the public.
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    BoskettiBosketti Member Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Voted and now it is up to 200.
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    chaoslodgechaoslodge Member Posts: 790 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't just vote on this one. There are many proConstitution posts that need to be voted up on that site. What is heartening is how high many of the numbers are!
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    n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    A "national" curriculum in schools, regardless of the intent, is diametrically opposed to my individualist beliefs and to my understanding of the proper & constitutionally limited role of government.

    No thanks.
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    HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I understand the objections.

    There was a time in this country that many schools had rifle teams.
    Personally, if I WERE to send a child to public schools (child abuse, by the way) , I at could take comfort in the fact that, laid out BY THE GUIDELINES GIVEN, at LEAST my child wouldn't be taught about "Heathers mommy eats her other mommy "...or "How to be a musloom for a month"...as we have today.


    At LEAST...for that hour.

    By the way...I did not vote in the poll. To do so would violate my personal belief in allowing these slimebags to advance their agenda as rapidly as possible.

    That being said..I don't really think that, given a country that valued freedom, having the history of individuals coming together to defeat tyranny being taught in a classroom would be a bad thing.

    Imagine one of us teaching a class of youngsters the proper interpretation of the Second Amendment, for example.

    Another thing ; Your principled objections to this idea is NOT the reasons that most of GB posters ignored the thread..except to read it.
    MOST of the thoughts contained within that paragraph they just simply do not believe in ...in my not-so-humble-opinion.
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    n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:
    That being said..I don't really think that, given a country that valued freedom, having the history of individuals coming together to defeat tyranny being taught in a classroom would be a bad thing.Agreed Highball, but any such effort purportedly undertaken by the Federally controlled education system, designed and administered by the plethora of collectivists, socialists, communists, globalists, one-worlders and their associated sycophants, is a pipe-dream at best. At worst, the "effort" or "suggestion" would be immediately turned to ill ends, to further the collectivist agenda.

    All that is setting aside the theoretical hope of anything even remotely related to this suggestion being considered as other than a joke by the POTUS and the other various and sundry weasels infesting government and the bureaucracy attending it.

    It ain't gonna happen, regardless of who the POTUS is.

    Such an effort/curriculum approved by local people and adopted by local school boards would be perfect. Of course, that system of education is largely long gone.

    quote:Imagine one of us teaching a class of youngsters the proper interpretation of the Second Amendment, for example.Oh, I can imagine it Highball. Brethren of The Canary * Order and those of like mind, positioned to educate in this area of utmost importance......It makes a great fantasy and would be most excellent if it were to ever occur, but...........Hell hasn't frozen over yet, I think.

    quote:Another thing ; Your principled objections to this idea is NOT the reasons that most of GB posters ignored the thread..except to read it.
    MOST of the thoughts contained within that paragraph they just simply do not believe in ...in my not-so-humble-opinion.

    Again, agreed Highball. Many would be opposed to the thought, not for the reasons this humble man listed, but for other, more pathetic reasons of fear and mistrust of individual freedom, individual liberty and an unfettered (by gov't) armed populace.

    When it comes down to my personal constitutionalist/individualist principals and to using the Constitution and founding principals as a yardstick, this suggested program doesn't measure up when viewed as a "national" program. That "national" issue puts a federally mandated, federally controlled/directed connotation on it.

    Once again, no thanks.

    I do, however, give Ifticar credit for thinking along the right lines and for his attempts at advancing liberty. It simply doesn't pass the "proper role of government test".
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    pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    While fundamentally against my principles, I would say that, if implemented it would give a LOT of kids at least "some" kind of knowledge about firearms that they would not otherwise receive. Most parents of today are lacking in this department.
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    IfticarIfticar Member Posts: 58 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I thank all of you who have helped in this matter. The vote count has gone as high as 400. This is especially nice when you consider there have also been a significant number of negative voters.

    To those of you who have objections in one way or another, I understand where you are coming from and respect your opinions. We have common goals but differing approaches.
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    RockatanskyRockatansky Member Posts: 11,175
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Ifticar
    We have common goals but differing approaches.


    Do we?
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    IfticarIfticar Member Posts: 58 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
    quote:Originally posted by Ifticar
    We have common goals but differing approaches.


    Do we?


    The "we"s that posted before you seemed to have common goals. You are a mystery.

    Does he or doesn't he? [:)]
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