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dppatrol
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Sir,please do not refer to those men as cowards.My grampa ran TOWARDS machineguns and cliffs at omaha,He was not drafted.His friends died beside him,and around him all day.He never ONCE made comment on it,all the years i knew him.My uncle tied the frozen bodies of his friends to the armored vehicles,the ones they could get running,in korea(not drafted)My other uncle was shot down flying "the hump"and walked,wounded,300 miles(second out of his crew who lived) to "our friend"china.none ever spoke much about it,and never asked for anything they didnt earn, back here.I've read,and admired your comments here for the last year,please dont dishonor their memory by lumping them in with those who reapt the benefits of their selfless service while letting freedom slide at home.thx,j
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Junior
I understand completely your position.
Are you aware of the battle of Athens ? Read it sometimes, and you will get a new appreciation for those men.
Had this happened all across America, I would have nothing to talk about today..at least as far as the Second goes.
Dppatrol , those men charged hell with a stick, and many died doing it. They exhibited bravery beyond human understanding..at least, for those never hearing the sounds of the guns.
The problem is....they came home and quit. Tired and won out, they allowed politicians to take away their manhood...and enslave their children.
You tell ME...how did men that understood that freedom is bought with blood and guns allow politicians to force them to their bellies to buy the means to defend their loved ones ?
What, Sir, do YOU call that ?
How does a man charge a machine gun at the behest of a government...then crawl, begging permission from that SAME government to exercise the Right that they bled and others died for ?
Educate me on this...I am willing to listen and learn.
Are you aware of the battle of Athens
Some very interesting stuff.
Starting Member
36 Posts
Posted - 02/08/2009 : 01:05:22 AM
since the other post is locked, let me add this. the greatest generation is at least 75-80 yrs old. the 60 yrolds are the vietnam era. Im from the last few years of it. Im 56. My generation and newer have caused all of this problem we have now. worse, the younger set are the main ones that voted for the liberal congress and Obama. I dont know where my generation went wrong. maybe in afew years we will pull out of this socialist mindset. But at 60 please try getting my guns
Here is a good example of what I speak about. This adminstration has passed not one gun law as of yet. This is NOT the present adminstrations fault...20,000+++ gun laws.
1968 is right in the middle of the productive, most intelligent years of the 'greatest generations' voting and politically active years...yet they allowed it to happen.
With all due respect ..once again...WHAT DO YOU CALL A MAN that bleeds and watches his buddies die for the freedom of a foreign country ..at the behest of his government...yet allows his OWN country to slide down the tubes ?
That man fought with fantastic, nearly superhuman bravery WHEN HIS GOVERNMENT DEMANDED IT...yet lacked the will to fight for his OWN, his wives, his CHILDRENS freedom...right here at home, when he had to do it on his own.
Please ..I ask again. Change my mind on this. I require logic...not the emotional appeals to understand what they did overseas.
What price to win freedom for the entire rest of the world...and allow that freedom to slip away at home ?
It is utterly SPECIOUS, as one of the above posters mentioned, to look at the 1968 gun law and still believe that the government is only attempting to protect us.
Since 1968 there should be not the slightest doubt in ANY minds what the government is up to.
Sir,please do not refer to those men as cowards.My grampa ran TOWARDS machineguns and cliffs at omaha,He was not drafted.His friends died beside him,and around him all day.He never ONCE made comment on it,all the years i knew him.My uncle tied the frozen bodies of his friends to the armored vehicles,the ones they could get running,in korea(not drafted)My other uncle was shot down flying "the hump"and walked,wounded,300 miles(second out of his crew who lived) to "our friend"china.none ever spoke much about it,and never asked for anything they didnt earn, back here.I've read,and admired your comments here for the last year,please dont dishonor their memory by lumping them in with those who reapt the benefits of their selfless service while letting freedom slide at home.thx,j
You and others here are seeing the true side of Highbail and his extremist beliefs. He would make a good cruel dictator. If you don't agree with him totally, or, in the case of long dead citizens who fought in foreign wars and are not able to express agreement with Highbail, then Highbail thinks everyone who doesn't voice agreement with him is scum.
Because when You realize your country is not that much different than the one U fought against, U give up. For one realizes the pointlessness of War and Nations.
Japan and Germany wanted to either kill us or make us slaves in our own country. All America wanted was for Japan and German to leave us alone. A big, big difference and proof that your statement is false.
The fact of the matter is that once this Greatest Generation saved the world for Freedom and Capitalism, they set about to destroy it in one country where it remained reasonably intact.
I will not go through the list again, but this generation held the purse and the power through the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. These four decades continued and confirmed the minimization of the Constitution as our governing document, and replaced it with the law of emotion.
We can respect them for the hardship they endured during the 1930s. We can thank them for the sacrifices they made during and immediately after the war.
We can equally point to their failures as caretakers of that which they and generations before them fought to preserve.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
As noted in the thread on GD, I have a problem with the 'cowards all' comment, and believe it to be an unfair generalization.
The fact of the matter is that once this Greatest Generation saved the world for Freedom and Capitalism, they set about to destroy it in one country where it remained reasonably intact.
I will not go through the list again, but this generation held the purse and the power through the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. These four decades continued and confirmed the minimization of the Constitution as our governing document, and replaced it with the law of emotion.
We can respect them for the hardship they endured during the 1930s. We can thank them for the sacrifices they made during and immediately after the war.
We can equally point to their failures as caretakers of that which they and generations before them fought to preserve.
In red above.
Is it not even in the realm of possibilty that during the '40's, 50's & 60's" millions of those people might have shared your philosophy? But because of a lack of organization or clout were unable to do anything about it; just as with the situation many of us find ourselves in right now; perhaps even the conservative gun owners in the most gun-unfriendly state of Calif perhaps find themselves in? But, no. Instead of thinking that there might have been millions of good Americans who saw what was happening and resisted the best they could, people like HIghbail and some of his * would rather condemn and entire generation. So typical of their deranged thought processes.
Here is another one for their thought processes. Highbail and Pickitup are from that generation that the C. * condemn. Therefore, they also need to be condemned if no one else is spared. Fair is fair.
Hence the 'Unfair generalization' response to 'cowards all'.
Collectively our country was sold out during the Greatest Generation's watch. As a group they failed us, but there are obviously individuals that did not. Good men can and do exist in virtually any demographic. Condemnation of the actions of the group is not necessarily a condemnation of each and every individual.
Brad Steele
You promise to vote one guy out, only to find out the next "politician" is worse.
How can you fight that?
I tend to view it as our elected leaders sold us out by promising one thing and doing the opposite. Not just once but time and time again no matter who is running for office.
You promise to vote one guy out, only to find out the next "politician" is worse.
How can you fight that?
Only way I can think is is to use the one thing politicians fear against them. They fear the power to sent the scumbags back to being ordinary, plain old citizens with none of the power or perks. Only way I know of to instill that fear is to have a HUGE organization behind you. Something like 42 million gun owners joining up with and supporting one of the national pro-gun rights organizations.
But of course that cannot ever happen because we gun owners are much, much too busy fighting among ourselves.
But of course that cannot ever happen because we gun owners are much, much too busy fighting among ourselves.
We can't work together when a large segment of those gun owners are so hell-bent on stabbing the rest of us in the back?
Why should I care about the gub'mint taking Bubba's shotgun when he doesn't care about the gub'mint taking my AR-15.
I'll say it plainly: If mine are taken, I WANT his to be taken.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
But of course that cannot ever happen because we gun owners are much, much too busy fighting among ourselves.
We can't work together when a large segment of those gun owners are so hell-bent on stabbing the rest of us in the back?
Why should I care about the gub'mint taking Bubba's shotgun when he doesn't care about the gub'mint taking my AR-15.
I'll say it plainly: If mine are taken, I WANT his to be taken.
Another +1
There is no difference between hunting, and recreational shooting, and what the bullet is fired from.
This is so old and tired, and most of the "sporting, target" garbage comes from those indoctrinated by the NRA.
Some are growing very tired of the distinctions drawn.
Nowhere does the second refer to hunting and/or target shooting,..... in fact if you know what the BOR says and other documents by the Founders it is clear as crystal.
I am sick of the "sportsmen" cowards bending over to the government, and the NRA, thinking their fun will not be taken away if they comply.[xx(]
NOT ONE SOUL took up arms against a tyrannical government.
I was a coward.
I faced it back then...and came near to outright rebellion.
I did not .
I took up the task of condemning and pointing out the hideous reality of a government gone wild.
One man, no matter the cause, is merely a quick 6 lines in the back of a local paper, if he takes up arms against the Beast.
I am sorry that I am stepping on toes. I still await the logical response that will prove me wrong.
Submitting to a government that is busily subverting the Constitution is cowardice.
Yet when I came back and got my feet on the ground, and looked around at what had transpired..and NOBODY would listen about the loss of freedom...'anguish' is merely a term.
I have lived the betetr part of my life under tyranny...and it seemed at times that I was the only person out there that felt it.
It will take a total gun ban to get most folks to the level of anguish I feel each day for the loss of American ideals.
Gentlemen, I am a bitter old man. WHY could there not have been 10,000 Athens..for corruption was endemic.
WHY could not those men...who clearly saw an enemy to be defeated overseas..NOT see the enemy at home ? WHY did they continue to place them in office cycle after cycle.
Oh...I can understand todays emasculated, girly-men voting for garbage..but THOSE men KNEW garbage when they saw it...for they had that small percentage in every outfit.
WHY ????
They were never cowards on foreign soils. At the behest of their government, they gave their all..and more besides.
We will have to disagree over their actions here in America.
I did nothing remotely approaching what those men did.
Yet when I came back and got my feet on the ground, and looked around at what had transpired..and NOBODY would listen about the loss of freedom...'anguish' is merely a term.
I have lived the betetr part of my life under tyranny...and it seemed at times that I was the only person out there that felt it.
It will take a total gun ban to get most folks to the level of anguish I feel each day for the loss of American ideals.
Gentlemen, I am a bitter old man. WHY could there not have been 10,000 Athens..for corruption was endemic.
WHY could not those men...who clearly saw an enemy to be defeated overseas..NOT see the enemy at home ? WHY did they continue to place them in office cycle after cycle.
Oh...I can understand todays emasculated, girly-men voting for garbage..but THOSE men KNEW garbage when they saw it...for they had that small percentage in every outfit.
WHY ????
Highball:
I offer a reason but not an excuse:
Those that lived, fought and survived those years came back and wanted to resume normalcy and buried themselves in their lives, families etc. Remember the baby boom, they spent alot of time making up for being away and imbedded themselves in their families and communities. Evil and corruption has a way of sneaking up. It doesn't come rushing up to the front door and ring the bell. It creeps in and incrementally takes over. The loss of liberty is evident to us now and you wonder how, in retrospect they missed it. They, for the most part, did miss it though it was evident to a few even as it started.
Remember, the colonists here in this country spent over a hundred years under the tyranny of the crown before they rose to rebellion. There were those that saw the evil for what it was and spoke about and were pamphleteers. It took time for the broad swath of society to embrace the idea that all men are endowed by their Creator with Life and Liberty and as free men they are beholden to no tyrannical government.
When they came together and rebelled, it created the greatest country the world has ever seen. The evil of the over-reaching government and power hungry politicians is evident to those who participate in these boards. I unlike many on this board, hope, that the broader public will wake up as our forefathers did, to the evil confronting us.
Higball, I appreciate your words and your honesty though it does take a little getting used to. Bitter? I understand your anger at those who should have seen but didn't. It doesn't do much good though, the past is gone, we need to look to and take care of the future and be ready as the Founders were.
No disrespect intended, but the greatest generation was not necessary the most educated. The majority came from rural areas, and suffered years under a depression that made formal education almost impossible. So the military had to "re-educate" the service personal from the ground up, many of whom could barely read or write past grade school level. That's why the military incorporated cartoons in their training materials. I'm not saying the greatest generation was stupid, merely uniformed and un-educated in critical thinking. They were indoctrinated with a lot of propaganda film on "Why we Fight". Some it was true, other info made the Stalin into a friendly "Uncle Joe", instead of the inhuman butcher he was. Such indoctrination also included stereotyping of Japanese and Germans as being less than human--Monsters, literally that needed to be exterminated. As a result, I think many of the troops after the war just learned to trust their government too much, hence, they just fell asleep at the wheel while their freedoms were being eroded
Highbail clearly condemned each and everyone. It is his default mode to go extremist.
As it is your default mode to go weasel backstabber, not unlike the French...tr"faux"
You are as full of schit as a Christmas turkey.
I believe that ALL of it was by prior design, all planned many years, even decades before it occured. Just one of many steps to enable globalization.