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A Point of Order ;
Canary ass no. 1
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We recently inducted a member without the `customary' induction requirements ..that being a statement on Gun Rights.
I felt that the statement over on General was entirely appropriate to the occasion. Actually, his statement over there was in the nature of `throwing bambi to the lions" ..given the nature of the fellow travelers over there.
He turned out to be the lion, in the end...
It has been pointed out to me that perhaps the bar is too high, for membership ..that prospective members might shy away from rejection.
Perhaps.
We discussed and implemented the options of invitation . In some cases, it did not work well.
I am throwing this open to discussion, once again.
I believe also that we need a removal procedure ..and one requiring less members to participate then in the voting in poll.
I expect there to be members that suddenly ..after induction ..'feel' that perhaps, after all, SOME regulations are `ok'....
I felt that the statement over on General was entirely appropriate to the occasion. Actually, his statement over there was in the nature of `throwing bambi to the lions" ..given the nature of the fellow travelers over there.
He turned out to be the lion, in the end...
It has been pointed out to me that perhaps the bar is too high, for membership ..that prospective members might shy away from rejection.
Perhaps.
We discussed and implemented the options of invitation . In some cases, it did not work well.
I am throwing this open to discussion, once again.
I believe also that we need a removal procedure ..and one requiring less members to participate then in the voting in poll.
I expect there to be members that suddenly ..after induction ..'feel' that perhaps, after all, SOME regulations are `ok'....
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We recently inducted a member without the `customary' induction requirements ..that being a statement on Gun Rights.
I felt that the statement over on General was entirely appropriate to the occasion. Actually, his statement over there was in the nature of `throwing bambi to the lions" ..given the nature of the fellow travelers over there.
He turned out to be the lion, in the end...
It has been pointed out to me that perhaps the bar is too high, for membership ..that prospective members might shy away from rejection.
Perhaps.
We discussed and implemented the options of invitation . In some cases, it did not work well.
I am throwing this open to discussion, once again.
I believe also that we need a removal procedure ..and one requiring less members to participate then in the voting in poll.
I expect there to be members that suddenly ..after induction ..'feel' that perhaps, after all, SOME regulations are `ok'....
The bar set too high? Howso? Either you belive the constitution as written or you have a different view, IMO. I personally don't think the bar is too high or too low.
Removing a member should be the same as inducting one, IMO again. If one were to show how infringments were a necissary or good thing, then I would think members would pounce. I would have no problem taking a brother to task if they were actually anti-constitution. They would no longer be a brother of mine.
Let me clarify a bit ;
The necessity to ask permission to join . Makes it seem like an exclusive club.which cause me to remember the old line about `any club that would have me for a member, ect'.
As pointed out.sort of like asking permission to buy a gun..
Well .it actually IS an exclusive club.but one exclusively BECAUSE most cannot bring themselves to admit the simple truth about 4 words.
Mind you..we have the RIGHT to do exactly as we are doing ..because we are private Citizens.
Understand ..at this point, I am neutral on this...I haven't really had time to thing about it much.
The point about Zink ; He was asked to join, he accepted, and the vote confirmed. Mind you, once again, he had made it plenty plain where he stood.
The process just skipped a couple steps.
Would be a pity to NOT have him..because he may well have never asked permission to join.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by zink
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:Should we start a 3%'er association?
We ..around HERE...call it the Order of the Brethren of Canary *.
I have stayed away from the 3 percenter title because of the extremely negative connotation of the road gangs , that represent the 3 % of the population that is utterly devoid of humanity.
TWEET, TWEET.
I will defend my 3%'er, stood up to gangs before, I am still kickin' and they aren't.
Is this a request to flock with the Brethren Lance?
Roosted with the rest...
If of what I speak is a Canary *, Yes.
He requested.
There was an question proposed and I stated that if the intent of the Canary * were to support the Constitution as it was written the yes, I was asking to be included.
I know of no where, where that I have waivered on this stance. I do support the Constitution as written. This gives the individual right to keep and bear arms.
When did I turn into the lion? I believe in an individuals right and I have never, to the best of my recollection, have even inferred that "some regulations" are ok.
I have been inducted in to this organization and now forfiet it, until further actions are taken.
If asking to get inducted into it is a requirement, Then I am asking now.
Lance
HB,
There was an question proposed and I stated that if the intent of the Canary * were to support the Constitution as it was written the yes, I was asking to be included.
I know of no where, where that I have waivered on this stance. I do support the Constitution as written. This gives the individual right to keep and bear arms.
When did I turn into the lion? I believe in an individuals right and I have never, to the best of my recollection, have even inferred that "some regulations" are ok.
I have been inducted in to this organization and now forfiet it, until further actions are taken.
If asking to get inducted into it is a requirement, Then I am asking now.
Lance
well that settles it then. He has asked and i will cast my vote.
AYE!
Now on to other matters.....It is my humble opinion that the process to be removed from the Bretheren be of the same process of gaining access originally.
matter #2,
The bar is not set to high. Those who beleive and stand for the Constitution in its entirety have no problem meeting the requirements asked of the Bretheren to be included. Now that being said, we should always be willing to invite into the group any who proclaim Liberty and Freedom regardless if they ask to be a Canary * or not.
So maybe just a "revised" membership process is in order. Carry on fellas!
The'lion' business was a reference to you, Lance, posting your statement of strong support for the Second over on General..I likened you to being 'thrown to the lions'. I.E., the general run of the mill General poster is as anti-gun as is Shumer/pelosi. ect.
Turns out...the 'Lion' leaped into the den of 'bambis' .and preceded to maul, shred, mutilate, and just in 'general' raise hell over there.
I commend you for it.[:D][:D]
Look , gentlemen, I received an e-mail requesting clarification of the `rules'.
Zink/Lance IS an O.B.C.A .... end of discussion on that point.
I believe the angst is over not starting a new thread, ect..the `by the book' procedure.
Now, me...I don't particularly LIKE the book method...and was delighted to see the streamlined ease of induction of Lance into the Order.
The'lion' business was a reference to you, Lance, posting your statement of strong support for the Second over on General..I likened you to being 'thrown to the lions'. I.E., the general run of the mill General poster is as anti-gun as is Shumer/pelosi. ect.
Turns out...the 'Lion' leaped into the den of 'bambis' .and preceded to maul, shred, mutilate, and just in 'general' raise hell over there.
I commend you for it.[:D][:D]
Thanks, I am at one of the lowest points of my 50 years of life. No job, no money (glad I went grocery shopping the day before I got terminated) and ex-coworkers doing what they can to take my reputation.
I jumped in and said what I thought and how I feel. What are they going to do... take my birthday away? I am tired of trying to be politically correct, I will stand my ground in a gentlemanly way but get to the point and not retreat. They way I see it is now is the time to stand up for my beliefs and let happen what may If the messiah wants to bring it, so be it. My family believes the same, and they are all I have left. They will be , and are, by my side. I also believe there are MANY more that feel the way I do. The sooner IT happens the better!
I mistook the lion part of the original post, my apologies, and I now take it as an honor.[:D]
Lance
so whats it take to join? Just believe in owning a pistol or a rifile? or Willing to fight so people can own them?
The belief of the Constitution of the United States guarantees the INDIVIDUALS right to "keep and bear arms" and are willing to defend it by all means necessary!
I will,
Lance
quote:Lucky_Lefty Posted - 02/07/2009 : 11:34:55 PM
so whats it take to join? Just believe in owning a pistol or a rifile? or Willing to fight so people can own them?
The normal procedure is in the above link.
Zink, aka Lance, merely short-circuited some of the 'procedure' by nearly single-handedly laying waste to about half the organized resistance to Constitutional principles over in General.
We here ALWAYS recognize and laud a raid on Collectivism , Socialism, and other such anti-American values by a determined man...and our good Captain recognized a kindred spirit in that exchange, and brought it to our `collective'..ahem..attention.
See ...'collective' doesn't HAVE to be a bad word...when it is in defense of the BOR and Constitution...
I actually never gave thought to Zink "not asking" as I read lt496's post and it looked like he basically asked,........just not 100% by the book per se.
As far as removal goes, I would be very surprised to see any member change their views on the Constitution, as most of us have become this way after years of watching it trampled on, and I fully expect that to get even worse.
Now if we are going to get into "politics" and what party you belong to, and also whether you believe in free market capitalism and all the baggage that accompanies that,.......well, it could get interesting.[;)]
An existing member sees a staunch supporter of the 2nd, does a bit of research to make sure, asks said person if they are interested, and if he/she shows a willingness to join, brings it before the brethren.
The candidate can answer the questions in the sticky, and be voted on.
so whats it take to join? Just believe in owning a pistol or a rifile? or Willing to fight so people can own them?
Ha! Not even that hard. You merely have to "claim" you are willing to fight. Nothing further is required of you once you make that claim. Well, nothing but to disparage, insult and belittle people who have even mild disagreements with the C. * philosophy.
You don't even have to provide a resume where you have actually "fought" for what you believe in nor any specifics of how you will fight when the C.* much awaited civil war starts.
It has been my experience that the people who are really and truly willing to fight wait until the time comes and during that wait say little or nothing. They are the true fighters. Loud mouth braggers are usually the ones who run for the back door when the actual fighting starts.
These are my observations and I am sure other people here (even some of the misguided *) have had similar experiences.
quote:Originally posted by Lucky_Lefty
so whats it take to join? Just believe in owning a pistol or a rifile? or Willing to fight so people can own them?
Ha! Not even that hard. You merely have to "claim" you are willing to fight. Nothing further is required of you once you make that claim. Well, nothing but to disparage, insult and belittle people who have even mild disagreements with the C. * philosophy.
You don't even have to provide a resume where you have actually "fought" for what you believe in nor any specifics of how you will fight when the C.* much awaited civil war starts.
It has been my experience that the people who are really and truly willing to fight wait until the time comes and during that wait say little or nothing. They are the true fighters. Loud mouth braggers are usually the ones who run for the back door when the actual fighting starts.
These are my observations and I am sure other people here (even some of the misguided *) have had similar experiences.
TR,
When have I disparaged, insulted or belittled anyone? I believe that this NOT the way to get across to people. From what i have seen, and read, your comments fit those descriptions just as much as any others on here.
I DO believe in the Constitution of the United States and it gives the individual the right to keep and bear arms along with the freedom of speech and the rest guaranteed under the bill of rights. As you are exercising yours on this media. My thoughts, ideas or beliefs are not the same as ANYONE in this world.You are free to have yours as am I. I do not force anything on anybody, just merely voice my opinions and defend them.
I am a life member of the NRA, though I do not support, nor agree, on their political stance. When they stop their gluttonous ways and support the Constitution as written I then consider them a pro-gun organization.
Sir, I feel no need to submit a resume to you. I have fought for your, and my, freedoms on foreign soil and on the ground I call home, The United States of America. As a veteran and former LEO I feel I have cemented my rights and those of others. So far I have done my part and will continue to do so. How I will fight when, or if, the time comes is not of your concern. Be assured that I will fight, again, to protect and restore OUR country to a state of what it once was. I have stated before that my blood runs deep in this country and it will NOT be spilled in vain.
With all due respect,
Lance
Agreed. But since I do not believe that you are yet a C. *, then my comment of course could not apply to you. But even at that, a few of the * are pretty decent people and this could also include you.
Zink.
Agreed. But since I do not believe that you are yet a C. *, then my comment of course could not apply to you. But even at that, a few of the * are pretty decent people and this could also include you.
Take a look at the bottom of his sig line TR.
What do ya figure #18 means?
Zink.
Agreed. But since I do not believe that you are yet a C. *, then my comment of course could not apply to you. But even at that, a few of the * are pretty decent people and this could also include you.
Now that's the kind of backpedaling only a politician or a bureacrat is capable of. Are you sure your not on the NRA payroll?
If you had priciple, you wouldn't find yourself in situations where backpedaling is necessary, but to know it as truth you must experience it. Something you never have allowed yourself to do. Further proof....
It's never too late to grow a spine trfake. Along with it comes conviction and respect.