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quote:Originally posted by ryanek9freak
I might be out of line here since i'm a noob, but I'd rather have the NRA behind me concerning gun control issues, than no one at all.
I do not belong to them however. If they were truly a gun rights organization, they wouldn't charge for membership.
ryanek9freak:
Pickenup, one of our moderators, compiled an excellent listing of NRA positions that may cause you to re-consider your first statement. Hopefully someone will link to it for you.
Many, myself included, would be a little nervous having the NRA behind them if things became difficult. The NRA has fragged the 2nd Amendment on more than one occasion, and it would a major distraction having to continue looking over one's shoulder.
I entered this arena a number of years ago with a similar attitude, but have changed my mind completely. You will find members that agree with and those that disagree, but you owe it to yourself to dig a little deeper.
Welcome to the forum, BTW.
Don
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
I do stand for the Constitution. I agree with you 100%. You either abide by it's rules, or you're a traitor, plain and simple.
Every single one of the 20,000 plus gun laws on the books is unconstituional, and I would like to see them all repealed.
As a matter of fact, republicans and democrats alike have been raping the sacrosanct document for as long as I can remember, and it's making me sick. I've been predicting another Civil War in this country. Watch and see if it doesn't happen.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
Some of this stuff is so funny it could go directly into being a weekly comedy television show. No professional writers needed, only reality.
Are you still here?
You know tr, I'm finished with you. I am finished trying to reason with you, Rau, and others. You either accept the Constitution or you do not. Period. I have tried to be diplomatic, and reason with you and others. You still do not get it, because you do not want to get it.
So be it. I will not sugar-coat it anymore, and I will not be diplomatic.
If you stand against the Constitution, any part of it, you are nothing more than a traitor.
This lay-down, compromising mentality has got us into the schithole we are in today, and I blame folks like you for being part of it. Liberty is on the chopping block, and you and others on here are helping to bear the axe.
So many * here are so big, bold and tough when it comes to internet posting But so WEAK when it comes to actually going out into the world and actually CONFRONTING that horrible 'BEAST' that Highbail constantly makes mention of.
Why don't JUST ONCE you posers tell us what you have actually done in the REAL WORLD? Hell, a kindergarten kid could do what you * have done. Poster and pose on the internet.
DO SOMETHING OR STFU!
Hey TR Fox, when are you gonna answer the questions I posted for you previously?
What's the deal here? I have never insulted you or talked trash to you, but you refuse to reply to these points. Will insulting or trashing you get a reply? I have reposted them again in the form of qoutes from the threads originally posted.
quote:Posted - 02/24/2009 : 12:35:36 AM
What has NRA done recently or even not recently to further RKBA, please be specific.
How come NRA supporters are not bragging about their latest victory?
If you are not willing to give up RKBA then why always compromise.
Why not spend some of that member money on hard hitting public education programs instead of giving to backstabbing political campaigners?
When was the last time Wayne made a stink @ politicians fundraiser instead of kissing *?
When was last time 1000 NRA members showed up @ state capital to tell governor if he signs newest bill he will not be re-elected?
if your not armed, you are a victim
Edited by - buffalobo on 02/24/2009 12:36:30 AM
quote:Posted - 02/24/2009 : 7:28:27 PM
Sammash, Support them at the local level, start your own organization, most legal issues if needed can often be handled pro bono by local attorney etc. and all funds can be directed to local groups you or members support. I regularly squeeze fellow members of my gun range for ammo and transport costs for our local Boy Scout troop and they always pony up generously.
TR Fox, come on man you and I have had similar topic discussion before, I specifically listed why not support compromise minded organizations, please list why anyone should and answer questions. I answered yours in previous threads. Hell I would think good answers would gain members for your organization.
I also will state that NRA does good things in area of training, safety, and even some certifications, BUT when it comes to RKBA and politics NRA SUX
if your not armed, you are a victim
If you look at the thread these were taken from others were also calling for you to answer. You never did reply. Care to take a stab at it now? You call others to state what they are doing or back up their statments. When will you back yours and your organization?
Kevin, when called out, the fox returns to his normal "state" (snake) and slithers off to other threds tp preach his false doctrine. He will not reply to your questions.
as for ryanfreak, here ya go... thanks again to pickenup...
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
Kevin, when called out, the fox returns to his normal "state" (snake) and slithers off to other threds tp preach his false doctrine. He will not reply to your questions.
as for ryanfreak, here ya go... thanks again to pickenup...
I know but I like to poke at him anyway. Rednecks like to ask people the questions they will not answer, especially in front of their friends or wives. Embarassing toads brings me great pleasure.
Good question. I will explain my reasoning behind using that particular term.
I am a simple, and as such, it is in my nature to keep things simple. 'Shall not be infringed' is unambiguous; it's simple. I believe an individual, organization, or entity, with regard to the Constitution, either 1) stands for it, or 2) stands against it. There is no middle ground. If said individual, organization, or entity knows what is right, yet does what is wrong, then in my eyes, they fall under #2; they stand against the Constitution. That goes for TR, Rau, the NRA, and most of the folks in D.C.
In matters concerning individual liberty, for one to know the truth, yet advocate the opposite, makes one an enemy of the Constitution. To me, that is the epitome of a traitor.[/blue]
Shane:
I understand and agree with you, particularly '...knows what is right, yet does what is wrong...'. As you have seen, I tend to be less blunt, and will extend the benefit of the doubt perhaps longer than I should. It also probably takes me longer than most to finally reach the point where I know there is a deliberate decision being made to circumvent the 2nd through protestations of support.
It is, however, those that speak bluntly and simply that reach deeper into a man's conscience, and you and those who speak like you are needed now more than ever. It is only a strong man that will take the shot and consider why there is such passion behind it, and many times it takes that kind of a shot to reach him, the very type of man we need to reach.
All the best,
Don
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
I understand and agree with you, particularly '...knows what is right, yet does what is wrong...'. As you have seen, I tend to be less blunt, and will extend the benefit of the doubt perhaps longer than I should. It also probably takes me longer than most to finally reach the point where I know there is a deliberate decision being made to circumvent the 2nd through protestations of support.
It is, however, those that speak bluntly and simply that reach deeper into a man's conscience, and you and those who speak like you are needed now more than ever. It is only a strong man that will take the shot and consider why there is such passion behind it, and many times it takes that kind of a shot to reach him, the very type of man we need to reach.
All the best,
Don
Don,
I do have a predisposition to telling it like it is and keeping things 'matter of fact', however, there are times when I envy your eloquence. Having the ability to tell someone to go to hell, and have them looking forward to the journey, is an invaluable attribute.
Whichever method is used, what ultimately matters is that folks are provoked to thought.
All the best to you as well, my friend. You are an asset to both these forums, and above that, the cause of liberty[;)]
Envy is one of the curses of the deevil..but I am just a man...and I envy the eloquence of Don and Jeff.
When I get done with the scene, it looks like the chainsaw massacre..blood dripping off the ceilings..Jeff and Don, now..they are smiling as their victims nod..unaware their throat has been cut from ear to ear...[:D][:D]
When I get done with the scene, it looks like the chainsaw massacre..blood dripping off the ceilings..Jeff and Don, now..they are smiling as their victims nod..unaware their throat has been cut from ear to ear...[:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Envy is one of the curses of the deevil..but I am just a man...and I envy the eloquence of Don and Jeff.
When I get done with the scene, it looks like the chainsaw massacre..blood dripping off the ceilings..Jeff and Don, now..they are smiling as their victims nod..unaware their throat has been cut from ear to ear...[:D][:D]
A brutal, bloody slaughter of a collectivist idea, brought to us by "freedom's old warhorse", is a grand thing to see at times Highball.
If I am the Jeff you speak of Highball, I simply don't hold a candle to the calm, thoughtful, reasoned approach of Don.
I may have a way with words, at times, but I often enjoy the rubbing of salt into what wounds that I create. Actually, I enjoy it far too much to be in Don's league, he is a gentleman.
I thrive on the riposte, the surgical cut, the well-aimed slash and the dismantling of straw-men and superfluous rhetoric.
I am simply flawed in this area, admittedly so.
Mayhap I am the "middle ground" between your style and that of Don. I share that middle ground with some fine company though.[;)]
The styles and methods we all bring to the table, are a complement to one another. It is a rare collectivist, anti-Constitutionalist, or gun-prohibitionist that makes it through the Gauntlet of the Order of The Brethren of The Canary *.[:)]
Comments
I do not belong to them however. If they were truly a gun rights organization, they wouldn't charge for membership.
I'll pass.
I'd take just one American who stands firm on individual liberty, rather than the entire leadership of the NRA.
I can count on that one American to watch my back; the NRA would just stab it.
I might be out of line here since i'm a noob, but I'd rather have the NRA behind me concerning gun control issues, than no one at all.
I do not belong to them however. If they were truly a gun rights organization, they wouldn't charge for membership.
ryanek9freak:
Pickenup, one of our moderators, compiled an excellent listing of NRA positions that may cause you to re-consider your first statement. Hopefully someone will link to it for you.
Many, myself included, would be a little nervous having the NRA behind them if things became difficult. The NRA has fragged the 2nd Amendment on more than one occasion, and it would a major distraction having to continue looking over one's shoulder.
I entered this arena a number of years ago with a similar attitude, but have changed my mind completely. You will find members that agree with and those that disagree, but you owe it to yourself to dig a little deeper.
Welcome to the forum, BTW.
Don
Brad Steele
Every single one of the 20,000 plus gun laws on the books is unconstituional, and I would like to see them all repealed.
As a matter of fact, republicans and democrats alike have been raping the sacrosanct document for as long as I can remember, and it's making me sick. I've been predicting another Civil War in this country. Watch and see if it doesn't happen.
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
Some of this stuff is so funny it could go directly into being a weekly comedy television show. No professional writers needed, only reality.
Are you still here?
You know tr, I'm finished with you. I am finished trying to reason with you, Rau, and others. You either accept the Constitution or you do not. Period. I have tried to be diplomatic, and reason with you and others. You still do not get it, because you do not want to get it.
So be it. I will not sugar-coat it anymore, and I will not be diplomatic.
If you stand against the Constitution, any part of it, you are nothing more than a traitor.
This lay-down, compromising mentality has got us into the schithole we are in today, and I blame folks like you for being part of it. Liberty is on the chopping block, and you and others on here are helping to bear the axe.
So many * here are so big, bold and tough when it comes to internet posting But so WEAK when it comes to actually going out into the world and actually CONFRONTING that horrible 'BEAST' that Highbail constantly makes mention of.
Why don't JUST ONCE you posers tell us what you have actually done in the REAL WORLD? Hell, a kindergarten kid could do what you * have done. Poster and pose on the internet.
DO SOMETHING OR STFU!
Hey TR Fox, when are you gonna answer the questions I posted for you previously?
What's the deal here? I have never insulted you or talked trash to you, but you refuse to reply to these points. Will insulting or trashing you get a reply? I have reposted them again in the form of qoutes from the threads originally posted.
quote:Posted - 02/24/2009 : 12:35:36 AM
What has NRA done recently or even not recently to further RKBA, please be specific.
How come NRA supporters are not bragging about their latest victory?
If you are not willing to give up RKBA then why always compromise.
Why not spend some of that member money on hard hitting public education programs instead of giving to backstabbing political campaigners?
When was the last time Wayne made a stink @ politicians fundraiser instead of kissing *?
When was last time 1000 NRA members showed up @ state capital to tell governor if he signs newest bill he will not be re-elected?
if your not armed, you are a victim
Edited by - buffalobo on 02/24/2009 12:36:30 AM
quote:Posted - 02/24/2009 : 7:28:27 PM
Sammash, Support them at the local level, start your own organization, most legal issues if needed can often be handled pro bono by local attorney etc. and all funds can be directed to local groups you or members support. I regularly squeeze fellow members of my gun range for ammo and transport costs for our local Boy Scout troop and they always pony up generously.
TR Fox, come on man you and I have had similar topic discussion before, I specifically listed why not support compromise minded organizations, please list why anyone should and answer questions. I answered yours in previous threads. Hell I would think good answers would gain members for your organization.
I also will state that NRA does good things in area of training, safety, and even some certifications, BUT when it comes to RKBA and politics NRA SUX
if your not armed, you are a victim
If you look at the thread these were taken from others were also calling for you to answer. You never did reply. Care to take a stab at it now? You call others to state what they are doing or back up their statments. When will you back yours and your organization?
as for ryanfreak, here ya go... thanks again to pickenup...
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=287342
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=263795
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=292203
Kevin, when called out, the fox returns to his normal "state" (snake) and slithers off to other threds tp preach his false doctrine. He will not reply to your questions.
as for ryanfreak, here ya go... thanks again to pickenup...
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=287342
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=263795
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=292203
I know but I like to poke at him anyway. Rednecks like to ask people the questions they will not answer, especially in front of their friends or wives. Embarassing toads brings me great pleasure.
Thank you JP, I will read them in depth when I get home
And a few more for you.
http://nrawol.net/
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3247
http://www.notgovernmentapproved.com/mt-nratrojanhorse.html
Thank you JP, I will read them in depth when I get home
Thank pickenup, he did all the work, I just have it saved fro times like this.
Picken, you da man!
Don,
Good question. I will explain my reasoning behind using that particular term.
I am a simple, and as such, it is in my nature to keep things simple. 'Shall not be infringed' is unambiguous; it's simple. I believe an individual, organization, or entity, with regard to the Constitution, either 1) stands for it, or 2) stands against it. There is no middle ground. If said individual, organization, or entity knows what is right, yet does what is wrong, then in my eyes, they fall under #2; they stand against the Constitution. That goes for TR, Rau, the NRA, and most of the folks in D.C.
In matters concerning individual liberty, for one to know the truth, yet advocate the opposite, makes one an enemy of the Constitution. To me, that is the epitome of a traitor.[/blue]
Shane:
I understand and agree with you, particularly '...knows what is right, yet does what is wrong...'. As you have seen, I tend to be less blunt, and will extend the benefit of the doubt perhaps longer than I should. It also probably takes me longer than most to finally reach the point where I know there is a deliberate decision being made to circumvent the 2nd through protestations of support.
It is, however, those that speak bluntly and simply that reach deeper into a man's conscience, and you and those who speak like you are needed now more than ever. It is only a strong man that will take the shot and consider why there is such passion behind it, and many times it takes that kind of a shot to reach him, the very type of man we need to reach.
All the best,
Don
Brad Steele
I understand and agree with you, particularly '...knows what is right, yet does what is wrong...'. As you have seen, I tend to be less blunt, and will extend the benefit of the doubt perhaps longer than I should. It also probably takes me longer than most to finally reach the point where I know there is a deliberate decision being made to circumvent the 2nd through protestations of support.
It is, however, those that speak bluntly and simply that reach deeper into a man's conscience, and you and those who speak like you are needed now more than ever. It is only a strong man that will take the shot and consider why there is such passion behind it, and many times it takes that kind of a shot to reach him, the very type of man we need to reach.
All the best,
Don
Don,
I do have a predisposition to telling it like it is and keeping things 'matter of fact', however, there are times when I envy your eloquence. Having the ability to tell someone to go to hell, and have them looking forward to the journey, is an invaluable attribute.
Whichever method is used, what ultimately matters is that folks are provoked to thought.
All the best to you as well, my friend. You are an asset to both these forums, and above that, the cause of liberty[;)]
That is the best I've heard Don's "way", described. Very good Shane, very good. Nailed it!
The man (Don) has a way with words, and IMO, it borders on being an art form.
There's a few others on here within a well-known 'brotherhood' that have the same talent.[;)][:D]
When I get done with the scene, it looks like the chainsaw massacre..blood dripping off the ceilings..Jeff and Don, now..they are smiling as their victims nod..unaware their throat has been cut from ear to ear...[:D][:D]
Heh heh[:D]
Envy is one of the curses of the deevil..but I am just a man...and I envy the eloquence of Don and Jeff.
When I get done with the scene, it looks like the chainsaw massacre..blood dripping off the ceilings..Jeff and Don, now..they are smiling as their victims nod..unaware their throat has been cut from ear to ear...[:D][:D]
A brutal, bloody slaughter of a collectivist idea, brought to us by "freedom's old warhorse", is a grand thing to see at times Highball.
If I am the Jeff you speak of Highball, I simply don't hold a candle to the calm, thoughtful, reasoned approach of Don.
I may have a way with words, at times, but I often enjoy the rubbing of salt into what wounds that I create. Actually, I enjoy it far too much to be in Don's league, he is a gentleman.
I thrive on the riposte, the surgical cut, the well-aimed slash and the dismantling of straw-men and superfluous rhetoric.
I am simply flawed in this area, admittedly so.
Mayhap I am the "middle ground" between your style and that of Don. I share that middle ground with some fine company though.[;)]
The styles and methods we all bring to the table, are a complement to one another. It is a rare collectivist, anti-Constitutionalist, or gun-prohibitionist that makes it through the Gauntlet of the Order of The Brethren of The Canary *.[:)]