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A Notice to the CA's.........

Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,821 ✭✭✭
I wish to resign as a member.
Please remove my name, and advance the other folks up the line.

I will not go into extreme detail, as I laid it out basically in a post in GD.
I am tired of the worthless feuding, and the use of the word "elite" constantly, which evidently takes into account a persons net worth by some. How is a person with money not able to understand the Constitution, and want it to be the law of the land?

Seems that the definition is I should be living week to week to be a "regular" guy that is worthy. I really am not a follower in the first place, as I would not have gotten where I am right now with that mindset.

I will say that I am shocked at some of the hypocrisy about the NRA from some members here. Lifetimes that don't have the balls to tell them to quit sending them the free magazine, and other members that have just signed up because it was a "free" offer. Where does that place your true integrity?

I will never change my feelings about what I have discussed, and will still be on this board should I be needed.
I wish all of you the best going forward, and take care.
Mark

Edit: I have removed the reference from my sig line.
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner

Comments

  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Well Marc, let me say this:

    I don't think ANYONE says if you have money, you are unworthy. I feel your being pretty thin skinned. People of the likes of Soros, have money too Marc. Bet they worked hard, and saved it as well. What they DO with that money, tells of their character. Soros takes great pleasure in running our country into ruins.

    So in short, I think your streching the money issue, in a uninteded direction.

    Jim eluded YOU were a follower, NOT ONE of the CA's have EVER suggested we are followers. Again, you let him get under your skin.

    And HOW exactly is it hypocracy to have seen the light AFTER becoming a life member of the NRA? Getting a propaganda magazine that allready PAID for, and using their propaganda AGAINST them is wrong? [?]

    I would agree however, a CA member should not be taking a NRA membership, free or not, unless their was no OTHER alternative around it. YOU were a member not so long ago Marc, let's not forget.


    You want out, then your a big boy, it's your decision. Makes me no matter, if that is what your choosing. I do think your letting those that don't stand SQUARELY WITH the constitution, play mind games with you.


    Best of luck to you in the future Marc.
  • Canary ass no. 1Canary ass no. 1 Member Posts: 104 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am the life member in Question ;

    Defense ;
    There were dark days in the mid-nineties. I finally become aware of the real work of the NRA. I was in the process of making the decision to renounce my life membership when a member of the Board leaked the information that the NRA was turning over all such names to the government.
    I felt that I did not need that one more strike against me at the time.
    Then I got pissed..and determined that the stinking azhats could send me that rag till the world went flat. I also would take great pleasure in working to take their organization apart from the ranks..till they decide to kick me out.

    Freemind nailed the 'money' business. Not much to add there..and I will CONTINUE to address the stinking elites that are selling out America.

    I am sorry that Marc feels that he is one of them.

    If a quorum of Canary * feel that I am a 'hypocrite', I will step down.
    Gentlemen ?
  • Mr. FriendlyMr. Friendly Member Posts: 7,981
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    I wish to resign as a member.
    Please remove my name, and advance the other folks up the line.

    I will not go into extreme detail, as I laid it out basically in a post in GD.
    I am tired of the worthless feuding, and the use of the word "elite" constantly, which evidently takes into account a persons net worth by some. How is a person with money not able to understand the Constitution, and want it to be the law of the land?

    Seems that the definition is I should be living week to week to be a "regular" guy that is worthy. I really am not a follower in the first place, as I would not have gotten where I am right now with that mindset.

    I will say that I am shocked at some of the hypocrisy about the NRA from some members here. Lifetimes that don't have the balls to tell them to quit sending them the free magazine, and other members that have just signed up because it was a "free" offer. Where does that place your true integrity?

    I will never change my feelings about what I have discussed, and will still be on this board should I be needed.
    I wish all of you the best going forward, and take care.
    Mark

    Edit: I have removed the reference from my sig line.
    You are a brother in arms, and I refuse to acknowledge your resigation. If comparing bank accounts is all that is required for you to change your thinking, let me open yours up and we will compare [8D][8D][8D]. Elite has nothing to do with how much money a person has, it is whether they leverage it to create misery.

    Canary 21 saying I reject your resignation, and want you to remain.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,821 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by freemind
    Well Marc, let me say this:

    I don't think ANYONE says if you have money, you are unworthy. I feel your being pretty thin skinned. People of the likes of Soros, have money too Marc. Bet they worked hard, and saved it as well. What they DO with that money, tells of their character. Soros takes great pleasure in running our country into ruins.

    So in short, I think your streching the money issue, in a uninteded direction.

    Jim eluded YOU were a follower, NOT ONE of the CA's have EVER suggested we are followers. Again, you let him get under your skin.

    And HOW exactly is it hypocracy to have seen the light AFTER becoming a life member of the NRA? Getting a propaganda magazine that allready PAID for, and using their propaganda AGAINST them is wrong? [?]

    I would agree however, a CA member should not be taking a NRA membership, free or not, unless their was no OTHER alternative around it. YOU were a member not so long ago Marc, let's not forget.


    You want out, then your a big boy, it's your decision. Makes me no matter, if that is what your choosing. I do think your letting those that don't stand SQUARELY WITH the constitution, play mind games with you.


    Best of luck to you in the future Marc.

    James,
    Thanks for your comments.
    Even we have been around the wagon a few times about money,.....I am sure you remember that. We also spoke on the phone one time.

    This has nothing to do with Jim (Hobbyguy) per se. He has said many things in the past that offended me greatly about gun control.

    It just seems like the constant unproductive fighting over pure crap that has finally hit me square in the face. It accomplishes nothing IMHO.

    I am sorry to disagree about the NRA issue. Hypocrisy is just that if you are pure of thought. Yes, I was an NRA member, but I learned, and read here. I let it expire, and tossed all of their garbage in the trash can.

    I could have used the same link to get a free membership for the sake of toilet reading material. I didn't do that,.......I want nothing to do with those slimeballs.

    I was not attacking HB in particular, as there are a number here that are life members. I also wasn't trying to attack MT357 for his free subscription. You must live by what you say you believe IMHO.

    Take care buddy,.......I will still be around, and believing the same things I have since being awakened. In fact, I am more cogent to what is taking place around me than ever before.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Canary ass no. 1Canary ass no. 1 Member Posts: 104 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:It just seems like the constant unproductive fighting over pure crap that has finally hit me square in the face. It accomplishes nothing IMHO.........................................................................................................................
    Take care buddy,.......I will still be around, and believing the same things I have since being awakened. In fact, I am more cogent to what is taking place around me than ever before.
    I doubt that you will take anything I say to think about now...but I ask you to look at these(yours) statements.

    You were 'awakened'...how ? I do not remember you taking part in lots of the fights and arguments on these forums. That must surely mean that you read more then you argued.

    The PURPOSE of the endless arguing with the same individuals is because MOST do not have the balls to put their beliefs out for the public to view and critique. Using people like hbyg is what allows information to be put forth on a daily basis.
    New people read these forums all the time...and the information is new to them.
    Old members read the threads...and FINALLY something triggers in them. I do NOT feel it a waste of time to argue with the hobbyguys of the world...I would have to PAY somebody to do it, if he wasn't such a good punching bag.

    The Canary * are a mostly tongue-in-cheek loose knit collection of damn fine men.

    I did not...and will not ..remove your name. You are merely sort of `marked out'..as a sign of respect for your decision, without any indication that you have changed your positions ..as it appears you have not.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Sorry to see you go Marc, really.

    Bottom line and speaking for myself, I always have retained my individual beliefs and views. I give nothing of myself away to be associated with the Brethren. Everything I am, I retain, nor do I take on anyone else's views, principals, or their foibles, due to that association.

    I look forward to reading your posts in the future. You are one of the good guys and to me, you'll always be a Brother.[;)]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    James,
    Thanks for your comments.
    Even we have been around the wagon a few times about money,.....I am sure you remember that. We also spoke on the phone one time.

    This has nothing to do with Jim (Hobbyguy) per se. He has said many things in the past that offended me greatly about gun control.

    It just seems like the constant unproductive fighting over pure crap that has finally hit me square in the face. It accomplishes nothing IMHO.

    I am sorry to disagree about the NRA issue. Hypocrisy is just that if you are pure of thought. Yes, I was an NRA member, but I learned, and read here. I let it expire, and tossed all of their garbage in the trash can.

    I could have used the same link to get a free membership for the sake of toilet reading material. I didn't do that,.......I want nothing to do with those slimeballs.

    I was not attacking HB in particular, as there are a number here that are life members. I also wasn't trying to attack MT357 for his free subscription. You must live by what you say you believe IMHO.

    Take care buddy,.......I will still be around, and believing the same things I have since being awakened. In fact, I am more cogent to what is taking place around me than ever before.


    Marc, I remember the dicussion we had. And yes, I also remember talking on the phone with you. If you still have my number, you are allways welcome to call me when you wish to. All the CA's are open to that invite. (just shoot me an e-mail and I will send my #)

    We humans, have a nature to fight, as history can tell. If it were not for the fighting, would the NRA issue be the same? It took people getting upset, digging facts, and sometime angrily voicing opions and views, coupled with facts. Sometimes the road to repair, is littered with anger and arguements.

    I as well, have NO desire to be a member of the NRA. Let me tell you this however. Sometimes there is NO alternative. When I lived in Ohio, you were REQUIRED to go through an NRA pistol course to get your CCW. Matter of fact, unless it has changed, you are REQUIRED to have that course every eight years. You MUST be a NRA member to take the course. NO ALTERNATIVES. IF Florida required the same, would you stop carrying, or carry taking the chance of prison time? No matter how pure our thoughts sometime, there are times we must swallow the bullet, and prioritize.

    You ever feel the need, call or write. While I am disappointed your leaving our band of brotherhood, I still see you as a constitutional beliver. Your welcome at my table anytime.
  • nyforesternyforester Member Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've got enough soap opra crap in my life. I come here to relax, escape that unpleasent stressful crap going on in my family life, learn about current events, and discuss and express my support for freedom.

    Get over it gentlemen. Mark....you are still a member. Highball, don't even go there - YOU ARE #1 - don't forget it !

    RANT OVER !
    Abort Cuomo
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    [?] Mark, need to talk? Fire me an email brother.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:If a quorum of Canary * feel that I am a 'hypocrite', I will step down.
    Gentlemen ?I understood the Brethren to be a loose-knit association, based on belief in individualism and the Constitution, thus having, nor requiring "a leader".

    Highball, you have the number "1" and are the first, but meaning no offense/disrespect, I have no "leader" here. I am an equal in an association of individual, like-minded Brethren.
  • zinkzink Member Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I for one would like to see you stay. You are one of the level headed ones that keeps things in check. I am a life member of the NRA, have been along time. I no longer read their crap or accept their offers, they just won't let you resign a life membership.

    If there is anything I cando for you I will always be a "brother in arms" and a bird of a feather. Just shoot me an e-mail.

    Lance
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:I understood the Brethren to be a loose-knit association, based on belief in individualism and the Constitution, thus having, nor requiring "a leader".

    Highball, you have the number "1" and are the first, but meaning no offense/disrespect, I have no "leader" here. I am an equal in an association of individual, like-minded Brethren.

    Precisely stated.

    The numbering thing has bothered me from minute one. This allows the garbage to claim `followers'.
    Perhaps we should ALL become `number ones' ? For surely we all ARE..
  • Mr. FriendlyMr. Friendly Member Posts: 7,981
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    quote:I understood the Brethren to be a loose-knit association, based on belief in individualism and the Constitution, thus having, nor requiring "a leader".

    Highball, you have the number "1" and are the first, but meaning no offense/disrespect, I have no "leader" here. I am an equal in an association of individual, like-minded Brethren.

    Precisely stated.

    The numbering thing has bothered me from minute one. This allows the garbage to claim `followers'.
    Perhaps we should ALL become `number ones' ? For surely we all ARE..

    Naysayer's do as they please. I put as much weight behind their words as that of the mouthpieces of socialism. Let them speak, and it fall on deaf ears. The day I change what I do to suit, or discredit their accusations is the day they have a measure of control over me. The minions spout garbage because they do not have facts on their side. Let's leave it the way it is please, unless it is something you decide to do INSPITE of their sqawking
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301

    I am tired of the worthless feuding, and the use of the word "elite" constantly, which evidently takes into account a persons net worth by some. How is a person with money not able to understand the Constitution, and want it to be the law of the land?



    Marc1301, I know men of substantial wealth in material terms and also those in relative poverty that are great patriots. The term "elite" as I have used it in the past does not remotely consider an individual's financial means - only their objectives.

    I would ask that you reconsider leaving the discussion board.
  • kyplumberkyplumber Member Posts: 11,111
    edited November -1
    I believe us all to be individuals with no leader, as I was under the impression we were all like minded in our beliefs of freedom and individualism. For us to have a 'leader' would kinda go against our core principals as people and as a member of the OBCA. I know I speak for no one but myself.

    also on an unrelated note:

    I wouldn't join the NRA, for free even. Although I'm sure they would mail much free kindling, and a free chinese pocket knife [:o)]
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:I know men of substantial wealth in material terms and also those in relative poverty that are great patriots. The term "elite" as I have used it in the past does not remotely consider an individual's financial means - only their objectives.
    I have many times been accused of 'wealth envy'.

    These few words above are MUCH closer to the truth of the matter..for many politicians gain high office without much money. ONLY after a period of time do they become wealthy..as they learn how to manipulate the system to gain money and power...and in the process sell out American values and indeed the Country..
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Member Posts: 35,686 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    and other members that have just signed up because it was a "free" offer. Where does that place your true integrity?
    .
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,998
    edited November -1
    Marc,

    First, I believe you to be an asset to the group, and as such, I hope that you will reconsider.

    Marc, I realize the feuding that takes place on here, specifically between those who stand firm on the Constitution and those who accept a watered down version, can be lengthy, and may seem as if it is a 'total waste of time'. I believe the exact opposite is true, and here's an example:

    Trfox and I have exchanged punches several times, and I am certain there are more to come. That said, I am aware that no amount of reasoning or presentation of facts will change his mind. He has made his decision. Now, one may ask, "Why waste your time arguing with him, when both of you are steadfast in your respective positions?" Here's why; while trfox and I may be involved in a debate, we are most certainly not the only ones reading it. If a new, or old member on here reads the details of that conflict, and it provokes them to consider their own views/stances, then the argument is not in vain.

    Marc, I am not a follower either, but then again, I do not believe any of the CA's are. That does not necessarily mean any of us are 'leaders' either. We are each our own man, Individualists, and that includes you.

    You have made significant contributions to liberty's 'cause', and I believe there is much left to do. That 'cause' needs YOU.

    Please reconsider. When this country is restored to the Republic it was intended to be, it will be through the efforts of folks like yourself.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MT357
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    and other members that have just signed up because it was a "free" offer. Where does that place your true integrity?
    You ever hear the saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer? You EVER question my integrity you can *******



    quote:I also wasn't trying to attack MT357 for his free subscription.

    I belive your response was uncalled for MT. Marc specifically stated he wasn't attacking YOU or Highball.
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,998
    edited November -1
    originally posted by MT357:

    quote:
    Originally posted by Marc1301

    and other members that have just signed up because it was a "free" offer. Where does that place your true integrity?


    You ever hear the saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer? You EVER question my integrity you can *********.


    MT,

    Listen. You are 5x5, and I understand you being angered by the above statement. Your integrity is who you are, and when it is questioned, it is natural for a man who has impeccable integrity to staunchly defend it. Marc did post the following later in this thread:

    "I also wasn't trying to attack MT357 for his free subscription."

    Listen guys. We may have specific differences of opinion on certain issues, but I believe we all agree on the Constitution, individual liberty, and exactly what it means.

    We gotta stick together, now more than ever.[;)]
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:I belive your response was uncalled for MT. Marc specifically stated he wasn't attacking YOU or Highball.
    Freemind ;

    Honesty is the best policy. I understand that you are merely repeating Marcs statement..the fact remains...we ARE the people he was talking about.
    Sorry...the denial was after the fact.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Member Posts: 35,686 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
    We gotta stick together, now more than ever.[;)]
    Agreed
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,998
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MT357
    quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
    We gotta stick together, now more than ever.[;)]
    Agreed



    Alright. There's one.

    Marc; agree?
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,941 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Marc:

    I understand completely, and am sad to see you go.

    Stay engaged, friend.

    All the best,

    Don
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Deadred707Deadred707 Member Posts: 168 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the end its up to marc, and I will not make a case eather way.
    Good luck and god speed.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,821 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    quote:I belive your response was uncalled for MT. Marc specifically stated he wasn't attacking YOU or Highball.
    Freemind ;

    Honesty is the best policy. I understand that you are merely repeating Marcs statement..the fact remains...we ARE the people he was talking about.
    Sorry...the denial was after the fact.

    Let me pick up again right here. I don't have much time before heading out again to another facility, but I will try.

    HB,.....you are correct about being "the people" I was referring to.
    I made NO "denial" however afterwards. I said I was not "attacking" either of you, but I WAS referring to you at the time.

    Here is where my problem lies with the NRA issue.
    Almost all of us go round with other members over the NRA issue, and their compromising of our 2nd. Amendment rights. It can get quite righteous at times needless to say, and I am certain that many, especially in GD, remember some of the heated arguments clearly.

    It just hit me the wrong way to within a couple of days see one member proclaim proudly about his free NRA membership, and then yesterday to run across a thread of yours concerning something you read in your NRA rag.

    How can we on the one hand call the NRA a "traitorous" organization that is bent upon helping the government water down our rights further, and then with the other hand read their propaganda, and open memberships with them regardless of whether they are paid for or not?

    Do both of you understand my point? That is what it was,.......a point. It is ultimately up to any of you to decide what you wish to do in your personal life. I do stand by my point, and consider it legitimate.

    Yes, I was also an NRA member. When I quit,......I quit. I don't wish to read their rag, nor do I wish to be contacted by them in any way again. Some of you may recall what I went through at my local members only range here. I was willing to walk away from the only convenient place for me to shoot, rather than cave in to their "requirement" of NRA membership. It cost me some "shooting buddies" needless to say, but that is fine with me, and an accepted result of the stand I took.

    To MT357,....no need to eliminate your post because someone else insinuated that you should. I don't quite know what your intent was with your capitalized "EVER" and intended obsenity, but if it was a "hotheaded" threat to me, let me know. It gets tiring reading threats over the internet BTW.

    The above is another example of why I question the viability of any organized movement if ever needed. Hell,.....we can't even get along as members with the supposed same beliefs.
    I point out a legitimate issue, I get fired on, and then threatened I presume. It's not about having a disagreement, it's about hatred, and threats.

    If it isn't that, it's the monetary issue. And no,....it isn't simply about powerful anti-American "elites." I have read numerous comments about people that make over a certain amount of money not being capable of being a "regular Joe" so to speak. Also HB says that only people with money have real freedom today,.....WTH does that mean? I am by no means what "I" would call a rich man, but I guess I am considerably more fortunate than many in this group, and on this board. How did that happen?

    I also have read that anyone with money must have inherited it, or cheated on their taxes. The inheritance part I would simply have to laugh at,.....you would also if you knew where my family came from, and how they lived. I hate taxes, but I have NEVER cheated in any way in paying them. In fact I have probably overpaid by not taking advantage of things in the tax code that are legal.

    Lets see,.......without going into my HS age jobs,......I have been a firefighter, worked in the HVAC trade for over 25 years,....17 of those being in my own business, and never in a trade union.
    Sounds like a regular Joe to me, but once the 1 million figure is met or passed, you are a different "kind" of person to most. I feel it in other places besides what I often read on this board. It is a feeling that has taken hold throughout this country.

    To finish up, I also consider myself a Capitalist, and that appears to be a dirty word here as well. I am also a Conservative, and that gets interpreted as a Republican which is also bad.
    I vote in every election, although I no longer vote a party line, and will leave a space empty if it is a matter of lesser of evils.

    Yes,.......I also still make those damn worthless phone calls, and send faxes to the morons. I am sure some of my words may have put me on a list per se, but I still believe in trying while we still can.
    Many here don't agree with doing that, which is fine. I do get sick of reading constantly though about how what I do is a bad thing, and I am somehow feeding some "beast" out there by sending a nasty letter. I don't live in a bunker, or think about a SHTF scenario 24/7. I may not live to my normal age because of what might take place, but I sure as heck am still going to enjoy myself to the best of my ability in the meantime.

    Well gotta go make some more of that filthy green stuff for a few hours. I wanted to point out that what has been building up in me has nothing to do with a person on GD such as Hobbyguy "getting to me," or the NRA issue in and of itself. It seems that many parts of my life, and a lot of things I do in that life, don't appear to go along with the beliefs of the vast majority here.

    Carry on guys, and sorry for the novel.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • kyplumberkyplumber Member Posts: 11,111
    edited November -1
    Marc no one threatened you, I read the post and it was rude, not threatening.

    I do not believe highball thinks anyone with money is 'evil' I believe he is pointing to the people who walk on the backs of other all the while with their hands in the peoples back pocket.

    It is a shame you have chosen to disassociate yourself with our group. It appears to me as if you let a simple misunderstanding divide yourself from us and that is too bad.

    You are a good man, it stands out in your writings. The OBCA needs good men.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Marc, you ought to know by now, I think your a good guy.

    I am left to wonder though (perhaps I am taking what your saying the wrong way), if you aren't trying just a bit to rub people's noses, in your accumulate savings.

    Personally, I know what your saying about the NRA issue. Let me ask though, what do you suggest people DO to acquire information about what the NRA is doing? Even though we don't support the NRA, that doesn't mean we should know WHAT they are doing, or plan to do. Something about keeping your eye on the ememy, you know.
    BTW, you never did answer my question last night, about the NRA and Ohio CCW. Does one risk prison to protect the family and self, or does one allow themselves to be a victim?
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    I do not feel that being well off is considered a bad thing by the Brethren.

    If so, I am screwed, since I make pretty good money and have accumulated much more through wise tactics.[:)]
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I will continue to call rich people that work to undermine America 'corrupt, evil little men'...just as I do the evil little pieces of garbage that lives down the street that is proudly displaying an obama, mccain, or bush sticker.

    I will continue to call Capitalism evil...for lack of a better term. Capitalism is what we are witnessing today...big business and big government in bed together. Knock yourself out.

    I will continue to receive the American Rifleman...until they kick me out.

    I will continue to point out the utter futility and indeed insanity of begging elected officials to `pretty please obey the Constitution'.

    I will continue to point out that doing that merely allows an enemy to gauge resistance to this idea or that idea ..giving them a handy club with which to beat us with...and slowing down at BEST what is coming.

    I am a Canary *. I an Individual that is part of a group. My opinions are MINE...and MINE ALONE.
    My opinions ARE open to change...but that change will come about through logically debating them. No amount of posturing and emotional outpouring will change a single thing about what I believe.

    I also believe that a man picks his company...and a man that does not desire to be in my company has indeed that right.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lt496
    quote:If a quorum of Canary * feel that I am a 'hypocrite', I will step down.
    Gentlemen ?I understood the Brethren to be a loose-knit association, based on belief in individualism and the Constitution, thus having, nor requiring "a leader".

    Highball, you have the number "1" and are the first, but meaning no offense/disrespect, I have no "leader" here. I am an equal in an association of individual, like-minded Brethren.




    I must agree...and your definition is EXACTLY what I believe we are. I'm not much on joining groups or clubs...but I am willing to affiliate myself with like minded individuals.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    quote:I belive your response was uncalled for MT. Marc specifically stated he wasn't attacking YOU or Highball.
    Freemind ;

    Honesty is the best policy. I understand that you are merely repeating Marcs statement..the fact remains...we ARE the people he was talking about.
    Sorry...the denial was after the fact.

    Let me pick up again right here. I don't have much time before heading out again to another facility, but I will try.

    HB,.....you are correct about being "the people" I was referring to.
    I made NO "denial" however afterwards. I said I was not "attacking" either of you, but I WAS referring to you at the time.

    Here is where my problem lies with the NRA issue.
    Almost all of us go round with other members over the NRA issue, and their compromising of our 2nd. Amendment rights. It can get quite righteous at times needless to say, and I am certain that many, especially in GD, remember some of the heated arguments clearly.

    It just hit me the wrong way to within a couple of days see one member proclaim proudly about his free NRA membership, and then yesterday to run across a thread of yours concerning something you read in your NRA rag.

    How can we on the one hand call the NRA a "traitorous" organization that is bent upon helping the government water down our rights further, and then with the other hand read their propaganda, and open memberships with them regardless of whether they are paid for or not?

    Do both of you understand my point? That is what it was,.......a point. It is ultimately up to any of you to decide what you wish to do in your personal life. I do stand by my point, and consider it legitimate.

    Yes, I was also an NRA member. When I quit,......I quit. I don't wish to read their rag, nor do I wish to be contacted by them in any way again. Some of you may recall what I went through at my local members only range here. I was willing to walk away from the only convenient place for me to shoot, rather than cave in to their "requirement" of NRA membership. It cost me some "shooting buddies" needless to say, but that is fine with me, and an accepted result of the stand I took.

    To MT357,....no need to eliminate your post because someone else insinuated that you should. I don't quite know what your intent was with your capitalized "EVER" and intended obsenity, but if it was a "hotheaded" threat to me, let me know. It gets tiring reading threats over the internet BTW.

    The above is another example of why I question the viability of any organized movement if ever needed. Hell,.....we can't even get along as members with the supposed same beliefs.
    I point out a legitimate issue, I get fired on, and then threatened I presume. It's not about having a disagreement, it's about hatred, and threats.

    If it isn't that, it's the monetary issue. And no,....it isn't simply about powerful anti-American "elites." I have read numerous comments about people that make over a certain amount of money not being capable of being a "regular Joe" so to speak. Also HB says that only people with money have real freedom today,.....WTH does that mean? I am by no means what "I" would call a rich man, but I guess I am considerably more fortunate than many in this group, and on this board. How did that happen?

    I also have read that anyone with money must have inherited it, or cheated on their taxes. The inheritance part I would simply have to laugh at,.....you would also if you knew where my family came from, and how they lived. I hate taxes, but I have NEVER cheated in any way in paying them. In fact I have probably overpaid by not taking advantage of things in the tax code that are legal.

    Lets see,.......without going into my HS age jobs,......I have been a firefighter, worked in the HVAC trade for over 25 years,....17 of those being in my own business, and never in a trade union.
    Sounds like a regular Joe to me, but once the 1 million figure is met or passed, you are a different "kind" of person to most. I feel it in other places besides what I often read on this board. It is a feeling that has taken hold throughout this country.

    To finish up, I also consider myself a Capitalist, and that appears to be a dirty word here as well. I am also a Conservative, and that gets interpreted as a Republican which is also bad.
    I vote in every election, although I no longer vote a party line, and will leave a space empty if it is a matter of lesser of evils.

    Yes,.......I also still make those damn worthless phone calls, and send faxes to the morons. I am sure some of my words may have put me on a list per se, but I still believe in trying while we still can.
    Many here don't agree with doing that, which is fine. I do get sick of reading constantly though about how what I do is a bad thing, and I am somehow feeding some "beast" out there by sending a nasty letter. I don't live in a bunker, or think about a SHTF scenario 24/7. I may not live to my normal age because of what might take place, but I sure as heck am still going to enjoy myself to the best of my ability in the meantime.

    Well gotta go make some more of that filthy green stuff for a few hours. I wanted to point out that what has been building up in me has nothing to do with a person on GD such as Hobbyguy "getting to me," or the NRA issue in and of itself. It seems that many parts of my life, and a lot of things I do in that life, don't appear to go along with the beliefs of the vast majority here.

    Carry on guys, and sorry for the novel.



    I believe MT357 gave you one good reason for joining/reading the NRA's garbage...I can give you one more. It costs them $$$ to send out those magazines and all promotional material asking for special donations. If you have an opportunity to join them for free...you are taking $$ out of their pocket.

    I'm not a member...and never will be again...but I can see a couple instances where it could damage them and further our cause.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,821 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by freemind
    Marc, you ought to know by now, I think your a good guy.

    I am left to wonder though (perhaps I am taking what your saying the wrong way), if you aren't trying just a bit to rub people's noses, in your accumulate savings.

    Personally, I know what your saying about the NRA issue. Let me ask though, what do you suggest people DO to acquire information about what the NRA is doing? Even though we don't support the NRA, that doesn't mean we should know WHAT they are doing, or plan to do. Something about keeping your eye on the ememy, you know.
    BTW, you never did answer my question last night, about the NRA and Ohio CCW. Does one risk prison to protect the family and self, or does one allow themselves to be a victim?

    James,....I was never referring to folks NOT reading about the NRA here. I don't quite know where that came from. I guess we are now spies into the NRA, and that is needed to expose them? Should I sign up again?

    Also I would be the last person to rub anothers nose in anything financial. It seems to hit a nerve for some. You just need to realize that nerve can be hit in both directions. I have always wished everyone here the best. Let's forget about that, as you will never see what I am talking about. It involves much more than how much a person has in their bank account. Many here have much more than I do, and I don't begrudge it one minute.

    That wasn't the point, but I guess what I tried to say just went sailing into the vacuum again. I don't claim to be terrific with words BTW.

    To answer your question which I missed in haste,......I imagine if I had to make a choice between carrying a firearm legally, or taking my chances to spend prison time, that I would be a begrudging NRA member. Losing my shooting spot at the range is a lot less important.

    I was not aware that was a requirement anywhere. If that is why MT357 obtained his free membership, then I owe him an apology.
    Heck, I hate having to apply and jump through the hoops that I have to,.....I think you all know how I feel about that kind of stuff, 4473's/ NICS checks and such.

    I am not going to continue to reply to nonsense on how I live my life, and whether I should drop out of society or not.
    Yes,......I saw HB's comment right before I responded to you.

    I have absolutely nothing against him, nor ANYONE here, but I will not continue to play the never ending game.
    Most of what is truly important we ALL agree upon,.....the rest I am sick of.

    According to his latest diatribe,....I have picked my company once again.

    BTW Highball, I am not in the least bit "emotional."
    In fact I have most times been called "cold, calculating, and unfeeling."
    Actually in my eyes, YOU seem to be the emotional one. Whenever someone doesn't agree with you 100%, you play the "I will step down, or take away my #1 assignment if judged by the brethren."

    I truly wish you all the best.
    Mark

    Edit: Please do not carry this on. I believe fully in what I thought I was getting into, and always will. I will still be on the forums, and have an e-mail link that is active. I WILL be here if the time comes that many speak of, and will continue to do what I do in talking to folks in person.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Marc, thanks for the clarifacation.

    I understand your anger. I would feel the same, if I were in your shoes.

    Your still a good egg, Mark. [:)]

    You ever make it up my way, for some odd reason, your welcome anytime.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:Actually in my eyes, YOU seem to be the emotional one. Whenever someone doesn't agree with you 100%, you play the "I will step down, or take away my #1 assignment if judged by the brethren."

    Wrong ;
    You levied a series of charges against me. Those charges go directly to the character of a man.
    If the Canary As. felt the same way ..I would be duty bound to step away from the group to avoid smearing them with the same tar I was smeared with.
    YOU are the person bailing, here...mainly because I do not agree with YOU 100 percent.

    Got news for you...I do not agree with ANY single CA on one subject or another...I merely express a mild opinion and let it ride. THAT IS WHAT FREE PEOPLE DO....

    As for `who you stand with'...once again...I believe that Capitalism is big business and big government in bed together. If that is your bag, FINE ..but it ain't mine.

    I will reserve my right to it out as utter corruption. I am sorry that offends you.

    What the hell part of if you have a BILLION dollars, you got it thru hard work and skill, you didn't cheat anybody getting it...GOOD ON YOU...IS SO VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ?
    I call that Free Enterprise...and that is a marvelous system.

    If you willing put yourself on the same level as these crooked investment bankers, derivative traders, and the assorted sleazebags that have broken the American financial system...so be it.
    We have nothing in common.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Have you two said your piece yet?

    Take it over to GD, like the rest of the schoolyard crap.

    Your both mad at each other. I get it.

    Stop fighting, would ya?
  • pickenuppickenup Member, Moderator Posts: 22,392 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by freemind
    Take it over to GD
    Yup
  • pickenuppickenup Member, Moderator Posts: 22,392 ******
    edited November -1
    Before anyone starts whining about this thread being locked.
    The "author" of the thread was Marc1301.
    "HIS" request...........


    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    Please do not carry this on.

    If he wants me to unlock it, I will.
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