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Is the government TRYING to commit suicide?

flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
Recently, nyforester opened a topic - "To Highball, Freemind, and the like . . . "

nyforester, I am not singling you out. You just posed a question that I have heard by 3 different people in the past month, and I feel it deserves some additional discussion.

Deep in that thread, you stated, "Are you trying to say that our government is commiting suicide and trying to self destruct, or are we just plain lazy and don't care about society ?"

nyforester - that is a fantastic question. It looks as though our government is trying to "self destruct" - although I would argue differently.

I have copied my response below because I am very curious about what you all think about nyforester's question. Have you had this question posed to you recently with the same consistency I have?


Below is my original response.


I have been reading this post with great interest.

nyforester, you must first understand that the entire economic and political system is designed for an outcome very different than what you have been taught to accept.

We have deficits and war because the system is designed to give us deficits and war. Public education in this country is not a horrible failure, but rather it is a triumph of social engineering, as it has delivered an increasingly deviant population that has been conditioned to accept what they are told every day. We will have a total dollar collapse and perhaps the final destruction of liberty in this land because that is what the global elites intend for this nation. The plans have been in place since 1913 (Highball would say the Civil War) - we are only witnessing an outcome that has been attended to with extraordinary patience.

Look, our government is simply managing the process. They are not the true power. They are silly, empty, soulless men and woman who are simply pimps and prostitutes to the true power elite. To work WITH them is to admit that the system they endorse has some redeeming qualities. It does not.

Let me attempt an analogy. Imagine you go into a casino. You amble up to a slot machine and lose 4 tries in a row. Angry, you go to another slot machine. You win twice in a row and regain a portion of your losses. You love that lifeless slot machine, and you may even remember the number of that one-armed bandit so that you can return to it on your next trip to the casino. But ask yourself, was either outcome under the slot machine's control? You see nyforester, regardless of your fortunes, the casino hasn't changed. The casino didn't become more generous, and you didn't become a better gambler. Rather, the casino was designed to take your money. You may have enjoyed a streak of short-term luck, but in the long term that casino will destroy your wealth.

Our political process is no different. The talking heads you see on the news are only the public face of the real owners - those who are running the casino. Do you understand the difference?

It took me awhile to get here - and I am grateful for the tremendous thinkers both current and historical that turned the light on.

So to finally answer your question - the government is NOT trying to self-destruct. The silly little men and woman you see are not really running the show. They are simply prostitutes and pimps delivering evil and sickness to the masses that is being created by the layer of power that you don't readily see.

And they must destroy the free men and woman of this country to get what they want. So what do they want? Very simple, power. Everything that the power elite stands for is an anathema to a free man and woman.

Why? Take it one step deeper. Your rights come from God. The god of this world hates free men and will always work to subject freedom to the sick and perverse ideology of the god of this world.

Although I will not imbibe this with spiritual truths, you may find some clarity to what I am saying in Matthew 4:8-10.

For those who don't know what I meant by that, I will add this.

The true power brokers of the world must see freedom die. They are hungry ghosts who only desire and crave more power. A robust, free, happy, moral people are and will always be in direct opposition of the power-mad and evil men who direct the affairs of nations.

Why do you think that Castro, Mao, Chavez, Stalin, and all those like them are so admired by elites? Because they had total control over the fate of their nation. Death, destruction, and all the evil they could heap upon their people only proved as a witness to their power. Those in charge - the men behind the curtains - reveal in this madness. It is the ultimate drug. The ultimate aphrodisiac. The ultimate statement of worth to the accursed and the soulless little people who are directing the world around you.

I made a decision about 4 years ago to step out of this system. To participate in it would be to acknowledge it, empower it, and bow down to it. All of those outcomes will only serve to taint my own soul.

nyforester - there is a deep, dark, madness behind this all. Get the heck out of the casino - stop squandering your own resources and energy on it - it can lead you nowhere.

I expect 99% of the readers will think my thoughts are absurd at best and overzealous and foolish at worst. So be it. I am, however, grateful that this forum does exist to discuss these issues.

Comments

  • MatchshotMatchshot Member Posts: 452 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I read what you are saying. What about this:

    Romans 13:1 (New International Version)

    Romans 13
    Submission to the Authorities
    1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.


    I struggle with this as I believe that there is truly evil in this world and it seeks dominion over us.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    No God I worship demands that I obey a Hitler.

    My belief ;
    One obeys a JUST authority.
    Opining that God places evil men into power seems to directly contradict the concept of a just God.
    Along those lines ..believing that no government should be disobeyed or replaced places the Founders doing the devils work.
    I THINK NOT...
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Matchshot
    I read what you are saying. What about this:

    Romans 13:1 (New International Version)

    Romans 13
    Submission to the Authorities
    1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.


    I struggle with this as I believe that there is truly evil in this world and it seeks dominion over us.



    Matchshot -

    Your question is fantastic and it will become very relevant in the days to come.

    If and when marshal law is declared in this country, you will see many pastors preaching Romans 13:1 and asking their congregations to submit to tyranny. Does this mean that we should believe whatever the government asks us to believe or submit to any nature of evil because it is condoned by the government? Let's look at this . . .

    Take for example the idea of a law. A law cannot bind unless there is power behind that law to punish or compel a citizen to follow that law.

    Now, much of what I am saying I will support with the Bible. For those of you that doubt the legitimacy of the Bible - fine. You could use Cicero's idea of "Natural Law" - ideas that pre-dated Christ - and make the same points I am making using Biblical references to power. Put simply, one does not have to be a Judeo-Christian to agree with the points I am going to make.

    If we are going to the Bible, God repeatedly states that He is "The Almighty". God asserts that He has absolute power. To take away the notion of God's absolute power is to deny that He is God.

    As a state increases its claim on power over the people, by its very nature is must begin to reject the notion of a sovereign and almighty God. This is proven in history, as the most totalitarian and Marxist states have historically rejected God (and especially Christianity) with radical fervor, as God represents a challenge to their claim on power.

    Are you with me? Let's continue . . .

    If we agree that God represents absolute power, all subordinate and created powers must derive their office, power, and moral authority only from God. And, they must exercise this power based only on His terms and under His authority or else they have ceased to have legitimate power. If they exercise power in a way that is in opposition to God, I would suggest that they will face His judgment. And, they are free to do so - this is one of the antinomies of existence - the sovereignty of God versus the free-will of man - but that is a discussion for another time.

    Do we agree so far?

    In early America, there was no question that God was the grantor of our rights and our authority here on earth. When considering the doctrine of Biblical Authority, all authority, whether in our home, our school, over ourselves, at work, is still authority that is subordinate to God, His values, and His word. That means that first and foremost, all obedience on our part must begin with obedience to God. We can not be obedient to a man who is opposed to God and still be in obedience to God.

    Do we agree?

    Now, the state has legitimate authority, but not everything the state does is legitimate. Let me illustrate. The Law is objective and it is the same for everyone. If a man cannot steal, neither can the state. If man cannot imprison his fellow man without cause, neither can the state. You get the idea.

    If we consider ONLY theft, the Laws of God forbid communism, socialism, inflation, bad checks, and every other form of theft that we see around us. When a person or government engages in these actions, they are opposed to God (or natural law), and cease to be legitimate.

    Okay?

    Now, why do we need Natural Law or the Laws of God? Because without it, men, corporations, states, and all organizations will try to make up the law to suite their own interests and aims. In essence, they will attempt to become gods themselves - and this is a recipe for both tyranny AND anarchy, darkness, and madness.

    In our country, when we abandoned at least a discussion of the Ten Commandments, God's Law, or natural law, we paved the way for tyranny.

    Finally, consider the words of James Madison. In his comments on God's Law - Madison said -

    "We have staked the whole future of American Civilization, not upon the power of the government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each of us to govern our selves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

    So where does this leave us? Well our government abdicated its authority long ago when it abandoned the laws of God AND the pre-Christian concept of "Natural Law." So, they have no authority.

    I, however, am still bound by my obedience to God's Law or natural law if you want to call it that - so I will not break the code that God has written in my heart. When the government oversteps to the point that I must choose between following God or submitting to the state, the choice I must make is simple. The state does not have greater authority than God over my life and I must then resist the tyranny of the state. Where is that line? It is different for each of us my friend.
  • nyforesternyforester Member Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Are you trying to say that our government is committing suicide and trying to self destruct, or are we just plain lazy and don't care about society ?"

    You are correct..my rights come from GOD.

    Maybe your god hates free men...but not MY GOD ! My God wants me to be free, happy, love my family friends and neighbors. Be kind, work hard, have high morals and ethics.

    The criminals in Washington obviously don't want the system to fail...if it did, they would all be out of (jobs)...if that's what you want to call what they do. They have it easy, getting kick backs, vacations, bonuses, pensions..No other job offers so much to do so little by screwing so many people and not going to jail !

    No - government has disintegrated into a system that is so corrupt and powerful and they want the people to be powerless so they can control everything. It might appear like suicide, but it is not.it is just out of total control of even the people that are trying to run it.

    The sad thing about it is that "THE PEOPLE" like their air conditioning, Sunday afternoon NASCAR on TV, Beer, Hot showers, Barbecues, cigarettes, lottery tickets, sex, ect.. It is when these amenities are no longer available when "THE PEOPLE" will finally do something about the criminals running our current government.

    That is the time when there will be a rope shortage in America. There are a lot of politician and CEO's that need to be hung from tall trees ! Let the hangings begin soon !
    Abort Cuomo
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nyforester

    Maybe your god hates free men...but not MY GOD !



    nyforester, how on earth could you derive that from anything I have written??
  • buffalobobuffalobo Member Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    flat8, I have read both posts several times. I don't think he did, I think he meant that the govt has allready overstepped and that the masses have accepted it. Many people say they will rise up when the govt tries to do...whatever each person says their trigger is. The trigger should have been the point at which govt first stepped over and started to replace God's law/Natural law with itself. Many believe this happened a long time ago. I think you have to admit there are many( I think majority) people who accept whatever the govt/powerful/celeb... feed them, and often without question or analysis.
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
    flat8, I have read both posts several times. I don't think he did, I think he meant that the govt has allready overstepped and that the masses have accepted it. Many people say they will rise up when the govt tries to do...whatever each person says their trigger is. The trigger should have been the point at which govt first stepped over and started to replace God's law/Natural law with itself. Many believe this happened a long time ago. I think you have to admit there are many( I think majority) people who accept whatever the govt/powerful/celeb... feed them, and often without question or analysis.


    I read you loud and clear. I just was questioning whether my own argument was taking people to that conclusion.

    If you distilled everything I have written concerning Romans 13:1 into a brief statement - it would be this:

    Freedom from tyranny is ordained by God and God's law cannot coexist with tyranny.

    Thus, God can't hate free men - rather I strongly believe He is with us.
  • Lonestar86Lonestar86 Member Posts: 130 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gentlemen, If you don't mind me joining this debate, I don't think it is a case of the Gov. trying to commit suicide, rather benign neglect on the part of the populace during the 90's and though 2007 because paper wealth and credit were easy to acquire and when people have spending money (real or borrowed) in their pockets, they don't worry about liberties and freedoms, they care more for material wealth and safety. Thus the passage of the (un)Patriot(iotic) act, erosions of values and integrity within our country's leadership, etc. Money is now more important to many because we in general have less, but we also are starting to evaluate the material crap we as a county have amassed, compared to the debt we have accumulated. And too many want the gov. to let us exchange those foolish decisions for instant gratification (and unindebtedness and blame it on bankers, political leaders.

    Our only way out is simple, let those who wasted their recources foolishly wither and die on the vine, and allow those who were prudent take the reins of a new era of responsibility. Starting with an ideal that those who haven't paid their taxes can not be part of the governing class, and restrict the access of special interets that gouge liberties and freedoms for thier personal agendas. A return to strict interpretation of law, and healthy diet of beans and rice for the law books so they will slim down to the basic tenants of our founding fathers and not the wishes of soccer moms who had a bad break in their life that pushed them onto the national stage to change some law because it didn't give them satisfaction.
  • therockguytherockguy Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    (posted by nyforester) That is the time when there will be a rope shortage in America. There are a lot of politician and CEO's that need to be hung from tall trees ! Let the hangings begin soon !


    +1 and I thought all u new york boys were liberals. ;)
  • nyforesternyforester Member Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    flat8:
    Great job.....passages like this help open the mind !

    therockguy:
    I am about 300 miles north of NY City in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains. NY City should be its own State because it influences the rest of the entire states policy.
    Abort Cuomo
  • rkba4everrkba4ever Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by therockguy
    (posted by nyforester) and I thought all u new york boys were liberals. ;)


    You have to separate the leftist cesspool that is downstate (NYC and suburbs) and upstate, which (with the exception of larger, and wannabe larger urban areas) tend to lean more to the right. There is a LOT of country upstate, and those areas still believe in things like gun rights. It's just too bad all of us trapped here in NY get painted with the same brush as the city dwellers [xx(]
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 21,944 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Matchshot
    I read what you are saying. What about this:

    Romans 13:1 (New International Version)

    Romans 13
    Submission to the Authorities
    1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

    If one believes this, then should one believe that God established the authority of the Constitution? If so, one should then not submit to those that would thwart that authority.

    Conversely, if one is to take 'governing authorities' as meaning individual people, the Constitution has no meaning, and never has had meaning.

    Giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's and submitting to authority requires legitimacy of ownership and of that authority. Today in the US, all governing authority emanates from the U.S. Constitution. Submitting to that which is not of the Constitution is not submitting to governing authority.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Flat8;
    I am curious as to your response to FCD here ;http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=364405

    I was/am going to respond..but I am not much good at logical, reasonable discussion. [:D]
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Flat8;
    I am curious as to your response to FCD here ;http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=364405

    I was/am going to respond..but I am not much good at logical, reasonable discussion. [:D]


    Done.
  • MatchshotMatchshot Member Posts: 452 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by flat8
    quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
    flat8, I have read both posts several times. I don't think he did, I think he meant that the govt has allready overstepped and that the masses have accepted it. Many people say they will rise up when the govt tries to do...whatever each person says their trigger is. The trigger should have been the point at which govt first stepped over and started to replace God's law/Natural law with itself. Many believe this happened a long time ago. I think you have to admit there are many( I think majority) people who accept whatever the govt/powerful/celeb... feed them, and often without question or analysis.


    I read you loud and clear. I just was questioning whether my own argument was taking people to that conclusion.

    If you distilled everything I have written concerning Romans 13:1 into a brief statement - it would be this:

    Freedom from tyranny is ordained by God and God's law cannot coexist with tyranny.

    Thus, God can't hate free men - rather I strongly believe He is with us.


    flat8:

    I am trying to get my head around tyranny vs freedom. Not because I do not understand the difference between the two, but because we are talking about two different types of freedom and two different types of tyranny.

    The prisoner in the deepest darkest dungeon, chained to the wall is eternally free if his faith and heart are in Jesus Christ. In the same vein, the man who's heart and faith are in things of this world is bound in eternal chains and is subservient to the master of this world, Satan. Regardless of the government that reigns over us, the choice of eternal freedom or slavery is wholly and completely an individual choice. Our time on this earth is brief and our fights here are for only a short time, eternity is, well, eternal.

    All that being said, facing tyranny here on earth is not really problematic for the Christian. Anything that interefere's with or attempts to supercede God's laws is secondary to God's laws. In saying this we do have to be careful, however, in our understanding of what God's laws are.

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German theologian from a priviledged family who could have ridden out WWII had he just gone along with the government and the government run churches. Instead, he fought and was ultimately executed by the SS. He split with the Mennonite church because he did not maintain pacifism and actually participated in the plot to kill Hitler. The Mennonites are devoutly Christian and, through history have maintained strong pacifistic beliefs.

    Bonhoeffer wrote in Cost of Disciplship:

    A Christian must be prepared, if necessary, to offer his life for this. Thus all kinds of secular totalitarianism which force man to cast aside his religious and moral obligations to God and subordinate the laws of justice and morality to the State are incompatible with his conception of life.." 31

    "The life of the spirit is not that which shuns death and keeps clear of destruction: rather it endures death and in death it is sustained. It only achieves its truth in the midst of utter destruction." 33

    "In a modern dictatorship, however, with its subterranean ubiquity and all-embracing instruments of oppression, a revolt means certain death to all who support it. ... The future in modern society depends much more on the quiet heroism of the very few who are inspired by God. These few will greatly enjoy the divine inspiration and will be prepared to stand for the dignity of man and true freedom and to keep the law of God, even if it means martyrdom or death--

    ". because they 'look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are unseen; for the things which are seen /are temporary, but the things that are unseen are eternal." [2 Cor. 4:17-18, 33-34]
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    It is the duty of a Christian to fight evil.
    Submission is contempt of the God he pretends to worship.

    Non-believers have exactly the same responsibility...if they are to consider themselves decent men.

    A government that has countenanced the murder of 40 million babies is not just.

    This country was founded upon the principle of the maximum level of freedom for the common man.
    A government steadily limiting that freedom is evil.

    Myself, I prefer to not be `free' buried at the bottom of a dungeon while jack-booted thugs breath the sweet flower of the open air.
    Sorry about that
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Matchshot
    quote:Originally posted by flat8
    quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
    flat8, I have read both posts several times. I don't think he did, I think he meant that the govt has allready overstepped and that the masses have accepted it. Many people say they will rise up when the govt tries to do...whatever each person says their trigger is. The trigger should have been the point at which govt first stepped over and started to replace God's law/Natural law with itself. Many believe this happened a long time ago. I think you have to admit there are many( I think majority) people who accept whatever the govt/powerful/celeb... feed them, and often without question or analysis.


    I read you loud and clear. I just was questioning whether my own argument was taking people to that conclusion.

    If you distilled everything I have written concerning Romans 13:1 into a brief statement - it would be this:

    Freedom from tyranny is ordained by God and God's law cannot coexist with tyranny.

    Thus, God can't hate free men - rather I strongly believe He is with us.


    flat8:

    I am trying to get my head around tyranny vs freedom. Not because I do not understand the difference between the two, but because we are talking about two different types of freedom and two different types of tyranny.

    The prisoner in the deepest darkest dungeon, chained to the wall is eternally free if his faith and heart are in Jesus Christ. In the same vein, the man who's heart and faith are in things of this world is bound in eternal chains and is subservient to the master of this world, Satan. Regardless of the government that reigns over us, the choice of eternal freedom or slavery is wholly and completely an individual choice. Our time on this earth is brief and our fights here are for only a short time, eternity is, well, eternal.

    All that being said, facing tyranny here on earth is not really problematic for the Christian. Anything that interefere's with or attempts to supercede God's laws is secondary to God's laws. In saying this we do have to be careful, however, in our understanding of what God's laws are.

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German theologian from a priviledged family who could have ridden out WWII had he just gone along with the government and the government run churches. Instead, he fought and was ultimately executed by the SS. He split with the Mennonite church because he did not maintain pacifism and actually participated in the plot to kill Hitler. The Mennonites are devoutly Christian and, through history have maintained strong pacifistic beliefs.

    Bonhoeffer wrote in Cost of Disciplship:

    A Christian must be prepared, if necessary, to offer his life for this. Thus all kinds of secular totalitarianism which force man to cast aside his religious and moral obligations to God and subordinate the laws of justice and morality to the State are incompatible with his conception of life.." 31

    "The life of the spirit is not that which shuns death and keeps clear of destruction: rather it endures death and in death it is sustained. It only achieves its truth in the midst of utter destruction." 33

    "In a modern dictatorship, however, with its subterranean ubiquity and all-embracing instruments of oppression, a revolt means certain death to all who support it. ... The future in modern society depends much more on the quiet heroism of the very few who are inspired by God. These few will greatly enjoy the divine inspiration and will be prepared to stand for the dignity of man and true freedom and to keep the law of God, even if it means martyrdom or death--

    ". because they 'look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are unseen; for the things which are seen /are temporary, but the things that are unseen are eternal." [2 Cor. 4:17-18, 33-34]




    Match - I agree with you and this is the major issue I struggle with. If I depart from this earth, so be it. I do not, however, want to be at odds with God when that day occurs.
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    It is the duty of a Christian to fight evil.
    Submission is contempt of the God he pretends to worship.

    Non-believers have exactly the same responsibility...if they are to consider themselves decent men.

    A government that has countenanced the murder of 40 million babies is not just.

    This country was founded upon the principle of the maximum level of freedom for the common man.
    A government steadily limiting that freedom is evil.

    Myself, I prefer to not be `free' buried at the bottom of a dungeon while jack-booted thugs breath the sweet flower of the open air.
    Sorry about that



    I believe you and Match are saying basically the same thing. Also Highball, I would add that while in that dungeon you may be manipulated into making decisions that will significantly endanger your salvation. That is yet another reason why I would prefer death to enslavement.
  • kyplumberkyplumber Member Posts: 11,111
    edited November -1
    I hope so I want to watch them bleed
  • MatchshotMatchshot Member Posts: 452 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    It is the duty of a Christian to fight evil.
    Submission is contempt of the God he pretends to worship.

    Non-believers have exactly the same responsibility...if they are to consider themselves decent men.

    A government that has countenanced the murder of 40 million babies is not just.

    This country was founded upon the principle of the maximum level of freedom for the common man.
    A government steadily limiting that freedom is evil.

    Myself, I prefer to not be `free' buried at the bottom of a dungeon while jack-booted thugs breath the sweet flower of the open air.
    Sorry about that



    Highball, the first duties of the Christian are laid out by Christ Himself in Matthew 27 and John 13:

    "19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

    34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

    That said, I am actually one of the 3% that you so frequently talk about. I am not a pacifist and will face those who would enslave us squarely in the face. The point is however, whether I am killed in battle, by a bus crossing the street or in my sleep at age 93, I have the assurance of eternity with the Lord in Heaven.

    The Founders framed a Constitution that guarantees my right to say these things in the first amendment and, fortunately, my right to defend them with the second.
  • wittynbearwittynbear Member Posts: 4,518
    edited November -1
    The United States of America had been severely ill for many years when it suddenly committed suicide on Nov. 4th, 2008, it was permanently laid to rest Jan. 20th, 2009.
  • therockguytherockguy Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    a little late in the thread, but i was only kidn about with the liberals from New York. besides dont they make Kimbers there?
  • quickmajikquickmajik Member Posts: 16,324
    edited November -1
    Well it would seem that they want complete control, and people who believe in what America was founded on are their enemies. They seem to have absolutely no qualms with stigmatizing the largest sector of our productive population too acheive their ends.

    In my mind they are truely evil, and will stop at nothing. The good thing is that they are realitivly few and dispite what you may think, Weak.
  • BaseJumperBaseJumper Member Posts: 5,570
    edited November -1
    quote:Our only way out is simple, let those who wasted their recources foolishly wither and die on the vine, and allow those who were prudent take the reins of a new era of responsibility.

    That is so profound that I may use it on my signature line (with credit to you of course, Lonestar86)
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