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buying guns at a gun show
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Is there anywhere in this country where you can buy guns from a reputable dealer at a gun show with out proper back ground checks and paper work??? private sales not included.
ABC says you can , per piece done sat 4-10-09 5:30 news. I dought it ... you can't here in wisconsin, before i go off on abc and my local station i would like to have the facts.. please get back if you know this bs can't go with out a backlash of people who know better...
ABC says you can , per piece done sat 4-10-09 5:30 news. I dought it ... you can't here in wisconsin, before i go off on abc and my local station i would like to have the facts.. please get back if you know this bs can't go with out a backlash of people who know better...
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Abc is marketing to the stupidest of the stupid (Democrats ).
Someone is going to have to tell me why a dealer would intentionally do this .
The reward compared to the penalty in lopsided .
the guns are on his books .
Do you think that an ATF investigator will accept strike throughs and erasors in the log book ?[;)]
I think if the media was banned from televising such horrible incidents like bingamton,,, VT,,etc,,, the number of incidents would decline.
But anymore the right to freedom of speech seems to be a right to abuse and blow things out of proportion simply for the ratings.
just my 2 cents.
Jim
EVERY dealer MUST fill out the paperwork!
Some states allows a CCW "in place of" a background check
(a CCW holder, which has already had an extensive background checks done)
otherwise EVERY dealer WILL make the call.
Any gun that has dealer paperwork on it can be sold by the owner in a private transaction. but usually there are no tables full of those types of firearms, and even if there are, in some cases they will still do a background check.
The NICS check can be waived if you present a valid CCW permit, but that is not the case in all areas of the country; to verify this, one should check with the local BATFE office to see if your local Sheriff has does his necessary paperwork to satisfy the statewide BATFE office. This addendum is subject to change at a moments notice due to BATFE policies. Shifting sand, anyone?
To answer your question, NO, a dealer cannot LEGALLY sell to anyone without jumping through all the hoops. If he does, then the BATFE agents will pay him/her a visit, and trust me, they won't be adding the dealer to their Christmas card list.
Say goodnight Johnny, he's going to be someone's girlfriend for a few years.
IF ABC actually investigated, they would find Dealers with clipboards, form 4473s, cell phones for background checks, etc. Of course, that would not be really exciting, and would not support the agenda that ABC had already selected to push.
Two scenarios where a dealer does NOT have to do the paperwork- 1. transfer to another FFL holder- Dealer or Collector, and 2. sale of an ANTIQUE (traditional muzzleloader, or made before 1899) since by Federal Law, those are not firearms.
It can not be done legaly. In Illinois all gun show sales including those by individuals have to have a background check and a 24 hour waiting period on long guns and 72 hours on handguns. This has been the law for several years. The transaction can be run throug an FFL for $10 or you can make the call and hold the gun yourself. This has not stoped the criminals in Chicago, E. St. Louis, or any other city in Illinois from geting guns illegaly. The real push is to require ALL firearms transfers to go through an FFL so there is a paper trail so all guns can be traced and then, if the laws get passed, confiscated. It realy has nothing to do with the nonexistant gun show loophole.
Slum I do believe that in Illinois even at gun shows a FTF transaction doesn't require a 4473. One must have the FOID card though,which requires a background check by the Illinios state police to receive one. Even for ammo purchases as you know.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I am not aware of any legislation being passed recently requiring this. They tried but failed as I remember.
Was it you in another thread maybe a week or two ago that I was talking to about this?
Maybe I'll call my FFL guy to find out. He's also a retired 30 year policeman.
This is ludicrous though. One still needs a FOID card to purchase gun or ammo which requires a background check to get a FOID card.[xx(]
Link http://www.illinois.gov/pressreleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=3&RecNum=4001
quote:SB 1333 requires gun sellers, who are not federally licensed firearms dealers, to request background checks from the Illinois State Police (ISP) before they can sell guns at gun shows. If ISP determines, after a background check is conducted, that the buyer is qualified to own a gun, the state police will issue an approval number that is valid for 30 days, during which time the sale must take place. Additionally, the seller must retain records of sales for at least ten years and make those records available to law enforcement agencies for criminal investigations.
FTF other than a gun show does not require a bckground check or waiting period. Buyer and seller have to have FOID cards. What they realy want is for ALL transfers to have to go through an FFL so there is a paper trail. So far, so good. I get tired of going through the hoops but I refuse to stop buying and selling firearms. I have a C&R which simplifies things for most of the guns I buy.
FTF is my preferred way to buy firearms and even then the seller must keep records for 10 years after the sale. It's none of their business IMO. Furthermore the redundancy is ludicrous,a background check to receive a FOID,a background check when purchasing firearms after having the background check for the FOID card. Pretty soon they'll be a background check once a month just for the hell of it.[xx(]