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quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
quote:Originally posted by Ifticar
quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
Interesting admission, indicative of massive issues, particularly in the congnitive reasoning area.
It merely removes what would have been an unfortunate, but acceptable or sane reason.
Now and with your admission, you are simply a bonehead.
Unbelievable what some people willingly admit for all to see.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by Ifticar
quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
Interesting admission, indicative of massive issues, particularly in the congnitive reasoning area.
It merely removes what would have been an unfortunate, but acceptable or sane reason.
Now and with your admission, you are simply a bonehead.
Unbelievable what some people willingly admit for all to see.
he's one of the calguns boneheads who have hard time comprehending simplest matters.
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by Ifticar
quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
Interesting admission, indicative of massive issues, particularly in the congnitive reasoning area.
It merely removes what would have been an unfortunate, but acceptable or sane reason.
Now and with your admission, you are simply a bonehead.
Unbelievable what some people willingly admit for all to see.
he's one of the calguns boneheads who have hard time comprehending simplest matters.
+1,000 I still like to jump over there and give a few of them a [B)] or too.
quote:Originally posted by Ifticar
quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
Now you support gun control codified into law by the folks who write the legislation (NRA), with your very own money, not just your gun controlling mind. I fail to understand why you would come here to brag about your ignorance?? I would humbly suggest you do not visit this website, or at least this forum, anymore, since you are opposed to gun ownership.
I am a life member.I know they are not perfect but for $35 a year and you get a magazine every month,that aint expensive.They do help a little.Just think how powerfull they woud be if every legal gun owner in the country was a member.
quote:Originally posted by glyn
I am a life member.I know they are not perfect but for $35 a year and you get a magazine every month,that aint expensive.They do help a little.Just think how powerfull they woud be if every legal gun owner in the country was a member.
I shudder to think it.
If it were so, we would be legislated out of any semblance of a 'right' in short order. As it is, we are not far from it, thanks in large part to their hissing of soothing words in support of various forms of gun-control.
They use the opposite, e.g. alarmism, during certain events, or at certain times, primarily as a fund-raising tool, or to keep the true-believers on the hook in the mistaken belief that the NRA is the staunch defender of the Second Amendment.
Sad and transparent, to anyone with a semblance of cognitive reasoning ability.
quote:Originally posted by glyn
I am a life member.I know they are not perfect but for $35 a year and you get a magazine every month,that aint expensive.They do help a little.Just think how powerfull they woud be if every legal gun owner in the country was a member.
Depends on how you look at it.
If you look at how much the NRA has contributed to the damage done to the RTKBA since 1934, the price is staggering.
Point #2:
Some folks are willing to exchange their RTKBA for $35, a magazine, and some Chinese trinkets.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For anyone still left on this forum who has not fallen under the constant onslaught of anti-NRA propaganda, please consider this when trying to decide who is right and who is wrong.
I support the NRA but have frequent heart burn with what they do. That said, they are playing politics as the game is played today. Until we replace politicans with Statemen who are REALLY intersted in something other than padding their own campaign funds, we will not makc the progress we need.
FLUSH THEM ALL IN 2010! And MORE in 2012!!! And again and again until they get the message.
quote:Originally posted by Explorer1
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For anyone still left on this forum who has not fallen under the constant onslaught of anti-NRA propaganda, please consider this when trying to decide who is right and who is wrong.
I support the NRA but have frequent heart burn with what they do. That said, they are playing politics as the game is played today. Until we replace politicans with Statemen who are REALLY intersted in something other than padding their own campaign funds, we will not makc the progress we need.
FLUSH THEM ALL IN 2010! And MORE in 2012!!! And again and again until they get the message.
I do not totally approve of the NRA's actions either. But the NRA is the biggest game in town. It can do more for gun rights BY ACCIDENT than all the other progun rights can do ON PURPOSE.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by Explorer1
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For anyone still left on this forum who has not fallen under the constant onslaught of anti-NRA propaganda, please consider this when trying to decide who is right and who is wrong.
I support the NRA but have frequent heart burn with what they do. That said, they are playing politics as the game is played today. Until we replace politicans with Statemen who are REALLY intersted in something other than padding their own campaign funds, we will not makc the progress we need.
FLUSH THEM ALL IN 2010! And MORE in 2012!!! And again and again until they get the message.
I do not totally approve of the NRA's actions either. But the NRA is the biggest game in town. It can do more for gun rights BY ACCIDENT than all the other progun rights can do ON PURPOSE.
Yep, I agree.
The NRA has facilitated irreparable damage to Amendment II by its compromise, its teaching of a perverted version of what the 2A means and by their abject failure to acknowledge the founding father's only reason and their only intent of Amendment II, along with the NRA's drafting and outright support for anti-constitutional gun laws and enforcement.
All the other organizations, put together, could not make a concerted effort that is more damaging than the NRA has been.
I bailed on the NRA for the same reason(s) I bailed on the RNC.
They stopped representing me and the Constitution.
The NRA supports my ability to request permission to own a firearm.
I am a Constitutional Conservative. I believe in what the Founding Father gave us, not the current perversion that a bunch of global collectivists are forcing upon us.
The GOA and RMGO more closely represent what I believe.
quote:Originally posted by losttrail
I bailed on the NRA for the same reason(s) I bailed on the RNC.
They stopped representing me and the Constitution.
The NRA supports my ability to request permission to own a firearm.
I am a Constitutional Conservative. I believe in what the Founding Father gave us, not the current perversion that a bunch of global collectivists are forcing upon us.
The GOA and RMGO more closely represent what I believe.
Yours is a fine position and nobody could criticize it. However, your above in red does make me wonder. Do you just mouth the words, or do you actually spend any time, money and effort to help GOA or RMGO suceed? Because as you know, sadly it takes money to fight for our constitutional rights. Yeah, yeah, I know our constitutional rights should just be served up to us on a silver platter each day. But the real world does not work like that. Freedom really is "not free." It is unfortunate but that means we have to constantly work, fight and spend money to do the best job we can keeping our constitutional rights.
There are many here who loudly reject working within the system trying to reform it. They also reject people like me who are still willing to work peacefully within the system. They also reject the various, for example, pro-gun rights organizations that work within the system. So what it comes down to, regarding those people here who seem to reject everything but hoping for civil war to "take back our country" is that their position gives them supposely moral cover for them to do nothing! Do nothing but sit around and gripe, complain, brag and pose as the only true Americans to be found.
Nobody objects you working within the system, fox...NOBODY !!
What is so very objectionable about people like you and the nra is your support of gun laws...anti-Constitutional is what you are...along with being anti PRO-Constitutional folks.
In case some of you have forgotten the bigger historical picture, here's a synopsis refresher. Remember that Jefferson was rebuffed when he wanted to add 12 Amendments dealing with "personal freedoms" to the Constitution. The authors (Federalists all) felt it was perfect the way it was written. People were already conflicted about gun ownership even then.
1791
The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment -- "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." gains final ratification.
1837
Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The law is ruled unconstitutional and thrown out.
1865
In a reaction to emancipation, several southern states adopt "black codes" which, among other things, forbid black persons from possessing firearms.
1871
The National Rifle Association (NRA) is organized around its primary goal of improving American civilians' marksmanship in preparation for war.
1927
Congress passes a law banning the mailing of concealable weapons.
1934
The National Firearms Act of 1934 regulating only fully automatic firearms like sub-machine guns is approved by Congress.
1938
The Federal Firearms Act of 1938 places the first limitations on selling ordinary firearms. Persons selling guns are required to obtain a Federal Firearms License, at an annual cost of $1, and to maintain records of the name and address of persons to whom firearms are sold. Gun sales to persons convicted of violent felonies were prohibited.
1968
The Gun Control Act of 1968 - "...was enacted for the purpose of keeping firearms out of the hands of those not legally entitled to possess them because of age, criminal background, or incompetence." -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms The Act regulates imported guns, expands the gun-dealer licensing and record keeping requirements, and places specific limitations on the sale of handguns. The list of persons banned from buying guns is expanded to include persons convicted of any non-business related felony, persons found to be mentally incompetent, and users of illegal drugs.
1972
The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms is created listing as part of its mission the control of illegal use and sale of firearms and the enforcement of Federal firearms laws. ATF issues firearms licenses and conducts firearms licensee qualification and compliance inspections.
1977
The District of Columbia enacts an anti-handgun law which also requires registration of all rifles and shotguns within the District of Columbia.
1986
The Armed Career Criminal Act (Public Law 99-570) increases penalties for possession of firearms by persons not qualified to own them under the Gun Control Act of 1986.
The Firearms Owners Protection Act (Public Law 99-308) relaxes some restrictions on gun and ammunition sales and establishes mandatory penalties for use of firearms during the commission of a crime.
The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act (Public Law 99-408) bans possession of "cop killer" bullets capable of penetrating bulletproof clothing.
1989
California bans the possession of semiautomatic assault weapons following the massacre of five children on a Stockton, CA school playground with a station wagon and an illegal SKS rifle from Oregon.
1990
The Crime Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) bans manufacturing and importing semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. "Gun-free school zones" are established carrying specific penalties for violations.
1994
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Public Law 103-159) imposes a five-day waiting period on the purchase of a handgun and requires that local law enforcement agencies conduct background checks on purchasers of handguns. (ATF's Brady Law web site.)
The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (Public Law 103-322) bans all sale, manufacture, importation, or possession of a number of specific types of assault weapons.
1997
The Supreme Court, in the case of Printz v. United States, declares the background check requirement of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act unconstitutional.
The Florida Supreme Court upholds a jury's $11.5 million verdict against Kmart for selling a gun to and intoxicated man who used the gun to shoot his estranged girlfriend.
Major American gun manufacturers voluntarily agree to include child safety trigger devices on all new handguns.
1998 - June
A Justice Department report indicates the blocking of some 69,000 handgun sales during 1977 while Brady Bill pre-sale background checks were required.
1998 - July
An amendment requiring a trigger lock mechanism to be included with every handgun sold in the U.S. is defeated in the Senate.
But, the Senate approves an amendment requiring gun dealers to have trigger locks available for sale and creating federal grants for gun safety and education programs.
1998 - October
New Orleans, LA becomes the first US city to file suit against gun makers, firearms trade associations, and gun dealers. The city's suit seeks recovery of costs attributed to gun-related violence.
1998 - November 12
Chicago, IL files a $433 million suit against local gun dealers and makers alleging that oversupplying local markets provided guns to criminals.
1998 - November 17
A negligence suite against gun maker Beretta brought by the family of a 14-year old boy killed by an other boy with a Beretta handgun is dismissed by a California jury.
1998 - November 30
Permanent provisions of the Brady Act go into effect. Gun dealers are now required to initiate a pre-sale criminal background check of all gun buyers through the newly created National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) computer system.
1998 - December 1
The NRA files suit in federal court attempting to block the FBI's collection of information on firearm buyers.
1998 - December 5
President Clinton announces that the instant background check system had prevented 400,000 illegal gun purchases. The claim is called "misleading" by the NRA.
1999 - January
Civil suits against gun makers seeking to recover costs of gun-related violence are filed in Bridgeport, Connecticut and Miami-Dade County, Florida.
1999 - May 20
By a 51-50 vote, with the tie-breaker vote cast by Vice President Gore, the Senate passes a bill requiring trigger locks on all newly manufactured handguns and extending waiting period and background check requirements to sales of firearms at gun shows.
1999 - August 24
The Los Angeles County, CA Board of Supervisors votes 3 - 2 to ban the the Great Western Gun Show, billed as the "world's largest gun show" from the Pomona, CA fairgrounds where the show had been held for the last 30 years. (Typical Gun Show Rules& Regulations)
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Nobody objects you working within the system, fox...NOBODY !!
What is so very objectionable about people like you and the nra is your support of gun laws...anti-Constitutional is what you are...along with being anti PRO-Constitutional folks.
Generally, I do not support gun laws. In fact, I don't support any gun laws at all if those gun laws are obviously only going to impact the already peaceful, lawful citizen.
But just consider if I was illegally held as a prisoner in some prison. (Aren't most of us Americans already illegally held "captive" by our government?) Say I didn't agree with me illegally being imprisoned and I certainly didn't agree with the gruel I was served and expected to eat for meals. Yet during the time WHEN I COULD DO LITTLE OR NOTHING ABOUT IT, I would eat that gruel (rather than weaken and starve) and I would be a model prisoner. But at the same time I would work within the system in an effort to get out of prison or, by having eaten that gruel and at least maintained my strength, I WOULD LOOK FOR A REASONABLE CHANCE TO OVERTHROW THAT PRISON.
In that respect, I don't feel me and people like you, Highball, are that much off the same page. In fact, it would strengthen your army if you would find a way to at least present a united front with you, me and other people who have the basic beliefs but don't have exactly the same beliefs. Then you could wait until we overthrew the prison and THEN you and I could address our differences.
Why go to war, with people that at least until the war is over, will basically be fighting on your side? Save your energy for the enemy that you actually will be fighting. Like I told lt246 once, if a line was drawn in the sand and all Americans were forced to stand on one or the other side of that line, I would be standing with you and the other yellow canary *. Although I would stand as far apart as reasonably possible due to all the hostility you guys feel towards me.
Were I in prison...oh, I am...I would be attempting to find people that hated the prison, would be actively planning to escape that prison, or scheming to throw OUT the prison administration in order to free the REST of the political prisoners in that prison.
What I would NOT be doing is allowing the Wardens pet bootshiner into my circle of 'schemers and plotters'..as long as he was telling us in private that the warden is not REALLY such a bad guy, after all...after all, he is giving us the gruel to keep us alive, and after ALL..he could well just decide to starve us ALL to death....
No...the man that 'works the inside' needs to be even STRONGER supporting freedom then we that chose to not enter the Wardens quarters.....
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Were I in prison...oh, I am...I would be attempting to find people that hated the prison, would be actively planning to escape that prison, or scheming to throw OUT the prison administration in order to free the REST of the political prisoners in that prison.
What I would NOT be doing is allowing the Wardens pet bootshiner into my circle of 'schemers and plotters'..as long as he was telling us in private that the warden is not REALLY such a bad guy, after all...after all, he is giving us the gruel to keep us alive, and after ALL..he could well just decide to starve us ALL to death....
No...the man that 'works the inside' needs to be even STRONGER supporting freedom then we that chose to not enter the Wardens quarters.....
Always Mr. Negative. Well, here goes another post on the Gun Rights Cave Wall. Look for it.
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Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
Interesting admission, indicative of massive issues, particularly in the congnitive reasoning area.
It merely removes what would have been an unfortunate, but acceptable or sane reason.
Now and with your admission, you are simply a bonehead.
Unbelievable what some people willingly admit for all to see.
quote:Originally posted by Ifticar
quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
Interesting admission, indicative of massive issues, particularly in the congnitive reasoning area.
It merely removes what would have been an unfortunate, but acceptable or sane reason.
Now and with your admission, you are simply a bonehead.
Unbelievable what some people willingly admit for all to see.
he's one of the calguns boneheads who have hard time comprehending simplest matters.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by Ifticar
quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
Interesting admission, indicative of massive issues, particularly in the congnitive reasoning area.
It merely removes what would have been an unfortunate, but acceptable or sane reason.
Now and with your admission, you are simply a bonehead.
Unbelievable what some people willingly admit for all to see.
he's one of the calguns boneheads who have hard time comprehending simplest matters.
+1,000 I still like to jump over there and give a few of them a [B)] or too.
quote:You are most likely a long-time NRA member/supporter and actually a willing government gun-control supporter, to whatever the degree.
Look at my past posts here. I was not a member of the NRA for most of my life. I was not a member of the NRA a few months ago. I was not even considering a NRA membership a few months ago. I was not a member of the NRA until I ran into some knuckle dragging anti-NRA jerks here. I decided that if those people represented the anti-NRA faction then I wanted be on the other side. I joined the NRA.
Now you support gun control codified into law by the folks who write the legislation (NRA), with your very own money, not just your gun controlling mind. I fail to understand why you would come here to brag about your ignorance?? I would humbly suggest you do not visit this website, or at least this forum, anymore, since you are opposed to gun ownership.
I am a life member.I know they are not perfect but for $35 a year and you get a magazine every month,that aint expensive.They do help a little.Just think how powerfull they woud be if every legal gun owner in the country was a member.
I shudder to think it.
If it were so, we would be legislated out of any semblance of a 'right' in short order. As it is, we are not far from it, thanks in large part to their hissing of soothing words in support of various forms of gun-control.
They use the opposite, e.g. alarmism, during certain events, or at certain times, primarily as a fund-raising tool, or to keep the true-believers on the hook in the mistaken belief that the NRA is the staunch defender of the Second Amendment.
Sad and transparent, to anyone with a semblance of cognitive reasoning ability.
I am a life member.I know they are not perfect but for $35 a year and you get a magazine every month,that aint expensive.They do help a little.Just think how powerfull they woud be if every legal gun owner in the country was a member.
Depends on how you look at it.
If you look at how much the NRA has contributed to the damage done to the RTKBA since 1934, the price is staggering.
Point #2:
Some folks are willing to exchange their RTKBA for $35, a magazine, and some Chinese trinkets.
I'm not.
For anyone still left on this forum who has not fallen under the constant onslaught of anti-NRA propaganda, please consider this when trying to decide who is right and who is wrong.
I support the NRA but have frequent heart burn with what they do. That said, they are playing politics as the game is played today. Until we replace politicans with Statemen who are REALLY intersted in something other than padding their own campaign funds, we will not makc the progress we need.
FLUSH THEM ALL IN 2010! And MORE in 2012!!! And again and again until they get the message.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For anyone still left on this forum who has not fallen under the constant onslaught of anti-NRA propaganda, please consider this when trying to decide who is right and who is wrong.
I support the NRA but have frequent heart burn with what they do. That said, they are playing politics as the game is played today. Until we replace politicans with Statemen who are REALLY intersted in something other than padding their own campaign funds, we will not makc the progress we need.
FLUSH THEM ALL IN 2010! And MORE in 2012!!! And again and again until they get the message.
I do not totally approve of the NRA's actions either. But the NRA is the biggest game in town. It can do more for gun rights BY ACCIDENT than all the other progun rights can do ON PURPOSE.
quote:Originally posted by Explorer1
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For anyone still left on this forum who has not fallen under the constant onslaught of anti-NRA propaganda, please consider this when trying to decide who is right and who is wrong.
I support the NRA but have frequent heart burn with what they do. That said, they are playing politics as the game is played today. Until we replace politicans with Statemen who are REALLY intersted in something other than padding their own campaign funds, we will not makc the progress we need.
FLUSH THEM ALL IN 2010! And MORE in 2012!!! And again and again until they get the message.
I do not totally approve of the NRA's actions either. But the NRA is the biggest game in town. It can do more for gun rights BY ACCIDENT than all the other progun rights can do ON PURPOSE.
Yep, I agree.
The NRA has facilitated irreparable damage to Amendment II by its compromise, its teaching of a perverted version of what the 2A means and by their abject failure to acknowledge the founding father's only reason and their only intent of Amendment II, along with the NRA's drafting and outright support for anti-constitutional gun laws and enforcement.
All the other organizations, put together, could not make a concerted effort that is more damaging than the NRA has been.
Nicely done.
I was going to get to that..but you strung it together so very well as to leave little to say.
They stopped representing me and the Constitution.
The NRA supports my ability to request permission to own a firearm.
I am a Constitutional Conservative. I believe in what the Founding Father gave us, not the current perversion that a bunch of global collectivists are forcing upon us.
The GOA and RMGO more closely represent what I believe.
I bailed on the NRA for the same reason(s) I bailed on the RNC.
They stopped representing me and the Constitution.
The NRA supports my ability to request permission to own a firearm.
I am a Constitutional Conservative. I believe in what the Founding Father gave us, not the current perversion that a bunch of global collectivists are forcing upon us.
The GOA and RMGO more closely represent what I believe.
Yours is a fine position and nobody could criticize it. However, your above in red does make me wonder. Do you just mouth the words, or do you actually spend any time, money and effort to help GOA or RMGO suceed? Because as you know, sadly it takes money to fight for our constitutional rights. Yeah, yeah, I know our constitutional rights should just be served up to us on a silver platter each day. But the real world does not work like that. Freedom really is "not free." It is unfortunate but that means we have to constantly work, fight and spend money to do the best job we can keeping our constitutional rights.
There are many here who loudly reject working within the system trying to reform it. They also reject people like me who are still willing to work peacefully within the system. They also reject the various, for example, pro-gun rights organizations that work within the system. So what it comes down to, regarding those people here who seem to reject everything but hoping for civil war to "take back our country" is that their position gives them supposely moral cover for them to do nothing! Do nothing but sit around and gripe, complain, brag and pose as the only true Americans to be found.
So, sir, which are you?
What is so very objectionable about people like you and the nra is your support of gun laws...anti-Constitutional is what you are...along with being anti PRO-Constitutional folks.
1791
The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment -- "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." gains final ratification.
1837
Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The law is ruled unconstitutional and thrown out.
1865
In a reaction to emancipation, several southern states adopt "black codes" which, among other things, forbid black persons from possessing firearms.
1871
The National Rifle Association (NRA) is organized around its primary goal of improving American civilians' marksmanship in preparation for war.
1927
Congress passes a law banning the mailing of concealable weapons.
1934
The National Firearms Act of 1934 regulating only fully automatic firearms like sub-machine guns is approved by Congress.
1938
The Federal Firearms Act of 1938 places the first limitations on selling ordinary firearms. Persons selling guns are required to obtain a Federal Firearms License, at an annual cost of $1, and to maintain records of the name and address of persons to whom firearms are sold. Gun sales to persons convicted of violent felonies were prohibited.
1968
The Gun Control Act of 1968 - "...was enacted for the purpose of keeping firearms out of the hands of those not legally entitled to possess them because of age, criminal background, or incompetence." -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms The Act regulates imported guns, expands the gun-dealer licensing and record keeping requirements, and places specific limitations on the sale of handguns. The list of persons banned from buying guns is expanded to include persons convicted of any non-business related felony, persons found to be mentally incompetent, and users of illegal drugs.
1972
The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms is created listing as part of its mission the control of illegal use and sale of firearms and the enforcement of Federal firearms laws. ATF issues firearms licenses and conducts firearms licensee qualification and compliance inspections.
1977
The District of Columbia enacts an anti-handgun law which also requires registration of all rifles and shotguns within the District of Columbia.
1986
The Armed Career Criminal Act (Public Law 99-570) increases penalties for possession of firearms by persons not qualified to own them under the Gun Control Act of 1986.
The Firearms Owners Protection Act (Public Law 99-308) relaxes some restrictions on gun and ammunition sales and establishes mandatory penalties for use of firearms during the commission of a crime.
The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act (Public Law 99-408) bans possession of "cop killer" bullets capable of penetrating bulletproof clothing.
1989
California bans the possession of semiautomatic assault weapons following the massacre of five children on a Stockton, CA school playground with a station wagon and an illegal SKS rifle from Oregon.
1990
The Crime Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) bans manufacturing and importing semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. "Gun-free school zones" are established carrying specific penalties for violations.
1994
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Public Law 103-159) imposes a five-day waiting period on the purchase of a handgun and requires that local law enforcement agencies conduct background checks on purchasers of handguns. (ATF's Brady Law web site.)
The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (Public Law 103-322) bans all sale, manufacture, importation, or possession of a number of specific types of assault weapons.
1997
The Supreme Court, in the case of Printz v. United States, declares the background check requirement of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act unconstitutional.
The Florida Supreme Court upholds a jury's $11.5 million verdict against Kmart for selling a gun to and intoxicated man who used the gun to shoot his estranged girlfriend.
Major American gun manufacturers voluntarily agree to include child safety trigger devices on all new handguns.
1998 - June
A Justice Department report indicates the blocking of some 69,000 handgun sales during 1977 while Brady Bill pre-sale background checks were required.
1998 - July
An amendment requiring a trigger lock mechanism to be included with every handgun sold in the U.S. is defeated in the Senate.
But, the Senate approves an amendment requiring gun dealers to have trigger locks available for sale and creating federal grants for gun safety and education programs.
1998 - October
New Orleans, LA becomes the first US city to file suit against gun makers, firearms trade associations, and gun dealers. The city's suit seeks recovery of costs attributed to gun-related violence.
1998 - November 12
Chicago, IL files a $433 million suit against local gun dealers and makers alleging that oversupplying local markets provided guns to criminals.
1998 - November 17
A negligence suite against gun maker Beretta brought by the family of a 14-year old boy killed by an other boy with a Beretta handgun is dismissed by a California jury.
1998 - November 30
Permanent provisions of the Brady Act go into effect. Gun dealers are now required to initiate a pre-sale criminal background check of all gun buyers through the newly created National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) computer system.
1998 - December 1
The NRA files suit in federal court attempting to block the FBI's collection of information on firearm buyers.
1998 - December 5
President Clinton announces that the instant background check system had prevented 400,000 illegal gun purchases. The claim is called "misleading" by the NRA.
1999 - January
Civil suits against gun makers seeking to recover costs of gun-related violence are filed in Bridgeport, Connecticut and Miami-Dade County, Florida.
1999 - May 20
By a 51-50 vote, with the tie-breaker vote cast by Vice President Gore, the Senate passes a bill requiring trigger locks on all newly manufactured handguns and extending waiting period and background check requirements to sales of firearms at gun shows.
1999 - August 24
The Los Angeles County, CA Board of Supervisors votes 3 - 2 to ban the the Great Western Gun Show, billed as the "world's largest gun show" from the Pomona, CA fairgrounds where the show had been held for the last 30 years. (Typical Gun Show Rules& Regulations)
Nobody objects you working within the system, fox...NOBODY !!
What is so very objectionable about people like you and the nra is your support of gun laws...anti-Constitutional is what you are...along with being anti PRO-Constitutional folks.
Generally, I do not support gun laws. In fact, I don't support any gun laws at all if those gun laws are obviously only going to impact the already peaceful, lawful citizen.
But just consider if I was illegally held as a prisoner in some prison. (Aren't most of us Americans already illegally held "captive" by our government?) Say I didn't agree with me illegally being imprisoned and I certainly didn't agree with the gruel I was served and expected to eat for meals. Yet during the time WHEN I COULD DO LITTLE OR NOTHING ABOUT IT, I would eat that gruel (rather than weaken and starve) and I would be a model prisoner. But at the same time I would work within the system in an effort to get out of prison or, by having eaten that gruel and at least maintained my strength, I WOULD LOOK FOR A REASONABLE CHANCE TO OVERTHROW THAT PRISON.
In that respect, I don't feel me and people like you, Highball, are that much off the same page. In fact, it would strengthen your army if you would find a way to at least present a united front with you, me and other people who have the basic beliefs but don't have exactly the same beliefs. Then you could wait until we overthrew the prison and THEN you and I could address our differences.
Why go to war, with people that at least until the war is over, will basically be fighting on your side? Save your energy for the enemy that you actually will be fighting. Like I told lt246 once, if a line was drawn in the sand and all Americans were forced to stand on one or the other side of that line, I would be standing with you and the other yellow canary *. Although I would stand as far apart as reasonably possible due to all the hostility you guys feel towards me.
What I would NOT be doing is allowing the Wardens pet bootshiner into my circle of 'schemers and plotters'..as long as he was telling us in private that the warden is not REALLY such a bad guy, after all...after all, he is giving us the gruel to keep us alive, and after ALL..he could well just decide to starve us ALL to death....
No...the man that 'works the inside' needs to be even STRONGER supporting freedom then we that chose to not enter the Wardens quarters.....
Were I in prison...oh, I am...I would be attempting to find people that hated the prison, would be actively planning to escape that prison, or scheming to throw OUT the prison administration in order to free the REST of the political prisoners in that prison.
What I would NOT be doing is allowing the Wardens pet bootshiner into my circle of 'schemers and plotters'..as long as he was telling us in private that the warden is not REALLY such a bad guy, after all...after all, he is giving us the gruel to keep us alive, and after ALL..he could well just decide to starve us ALL to death....
No...the man that 'works the inside' needs to be even STRONGER supporting freedom then we that chose to not enter the Wardens quarters.....
Always Mr. Negative. Well, here goes another post on the Gun Rights Cave Wall. Look for it.