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quote:Originally posted by pickenup
quote:Originally posted by IdahoRedneck
I came here......A staunch supporter of the NRA
So did I IdahoRedneck.....so did I.
I had been supporting/promoting them for YEARS.
Then I was challenged by someone to "do some research" for myself.
The end result is what has been posted in those threads.
I REALLY DO WISH my research would have had a different outcome.
If they are our "best bet" we are in SAD SHAPE.
Just because they are the big dogs, does NOT mean they are the right ones.
People/members are waking up.
yep that was me too. I have opened my eyes, and refuse to close them again.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Thank you all for the comments. I have always hated that NRA seems to never be satisfied with my membership fee and seemed to be in constant need for more money. I can only imagine that some people send money to the NRA money that the poeple cannot afford to give, but really believe in them. That irks me.
Having said all that. I will take this more serious and get more informed. I can also say this: there are risks involed in being free. Things like being able to drive in the mountains of Colorado and enjoy the view where you could drive off a road and fall 3000 or more feet can be a dangerous. Gun control is another place. The second amendment says we have the right to keep and bear arms. That means some stupid people will get them. That doesnt mean we shouldnt have guns or that we shouldnt be able to drive in Colorado. We cannot allow ourselves to become too protected by the government.
We need a voice that really will stand for us in Washington. If its not the NRA, then who? Can we do something to get the NRA on track where it is off? Is there a place where I can see a list of wrong things the NRA has done and the good?
quote:Originally posted by pickenup
quote:Originally posted by IdahoRedneck
I came here......A staunch supporter of the NRA
So did I IdahoRedneck.....so did I.
I had been supporting/promoting them for YEARS.
Then I was challenged by someone to "do some research" for myself.
The end result is what has been posted in those threads.
I REALLY DO WISH my research would have had a different outcome.
If they are our "best bet" we are in SAD SHAPE.
Just because they are the big dogs, does NOT mean they are the right ones.
People/members are waking up.
As did I pick...and you probably remember that thread...
quote:Originally posted by Rex Mahan
Thank you all for the comments. I have always hated that NRA seems to never be satisfied with my membership fee and seemed to be in constant need for more money. I can only imagine that some people send money to the NRA money that the poeple cannot afford to give, but really believe in them. That irks me.
Having said all that. I will take this more serious and get more informed. I can also say this: there are risks involed in being free. Things like being able to drive in the mountains of Colorado and enjoy the view where you could drive off a road and fall 3000 or more feet can be a dangerous. Gun control is another place. The second amendment says we have the right to keep and bear arms. That means some stupid people will get them. That doesnt mean we shouldnt have guns or that we shouldnt be able to drive in Colorado. We cannot allow ourselves to become too protected by the government.
We need a voice that really will stand for us in Washington. If its not the NRA, then who? Can we do something to get the NRA on track where it is off? Is there a place where I can see a list of wrong things the NRA has done and the good?
If you seek alternative organizations to support, try:
Belonged and paid dues for years. Had a minor problem with one of thier agents calling constantly regarding overdue dues...
Oh my God. The NRA has some strange practices.
Unless you are a gun manufacturer the NRA could care less about you.
quote:Originally posted by steve45
I have personally watched illegal aliens buy firearms through a bilingual friend of theirs (and probably a US citizen)at the Phoenix gun show several times. They bought these guns from nice white guys who knew exactly who they were selling to. Your idea that people will just 'do right' if there were no firearms laws is beyond logical thought.
Holding to your belief in gun control, did you do more than just watch your favorite laws being broken? Do anything to stop it any of the several times you witnessed it?
quote:Originally posted by Rex Mahan
Thank you all for the comments. I have always hated that NRA seems to never be satisfied with my membership fee and seemed to be in constant need for more money. I can only imagine that some people send money to the NRA money that the poeple cannot afford to give, but really believe in them. That irks me.
Having said all that. I will take this more serious and get more informed. I can also say this: there are risks involed in being free. Things like being able to drive in the mountains of Colorado and enjoy the view where you could drive off a road and fall 3000 or more feet can be a dangerous. Gun control is another place. The second amendment says we have the right to keep and bear arms. That means some stupid people will get them. That doesnt mean we shouldnt have guns or that we shouldnt be able to drive in Colorado. We cannot allow ourselves to become too protected by the government.
We need a voice that really will stand for us in Washington. If its not the NRA, then who? Can we do something to get the NRA on track where it is off? Is there a place where I can see a list of wrong things the NRA has done and the good?
Rex, check out this web site. www.nrawol.net
As said above -
Gun Owners of America
Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership
Second Amendment Foundation
Also check for Texas Gun Owners, we have Rocky Mtn Gun Owners here in Colorado.
I have been doing research on the differences between a federal government versus a national government. The Constitution and the Founding Fathers created a federal system. Under this system, the states delegated (not transferred)certain specific powers (Article 1, Section 8)to the federal government and reserved all others to themselves (10th Amendment). In addition, in order to win ratification, the drafters spelled out what they meant by the word "regulate" in relation to commerce (not what Congress says today) and also that the enumeration of powers in Article 1, section 8 IS THE definition of "general welfare." In short, unless a power is specified to the feds, it belongs to the states. As a general rule, any action taken by the feds that involves states, is illegal because it violates the federal nature of the Constitution. Now here is where I get "radical." It would seem to me that the authority to "regulate" firearms does not belong to the feds (keeping in mind their oft misuse of the commerce clause)but only to a given state. Therefore, the ATF and all federal firearms laws, license requirements, etc. would be illegal. Just my take on this.
From this vantage point.hard-won...you will look about you and find that the federal government is a usurper government.
They jacked up the REAL government..."we the people". and replaced us with a criminal enterprise.
Back about the late 1860's, I believe...
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Rex ;
if compromise,gun control,fear, and government control is your bag...you will find yourself in the company of the NRA, the TRfoxes, and the selectfires of the world.
We that value personal responsibility, freedom, and limited government will look upon you as a foreign agent, however.
Back in 1994, when it became obvious to EVERYONE that Bill Clinton's so called assault weapons ban could not be stopped, gun rights supporters COMPROMISED by having the "sunset clause" inserted into the bill. Now to some who have no understanding of politics, or of how things work in the real work when you do not have total power, that looks like a compromise. Actually it was a last ditch effort on the part of gun right supporters. And it worked.
10 years later, when that "sunset clause" time limit was reach, THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WE DO NOT STILL HAVE IT ON THE BOOKS! Because it expired automatically! Even if we had it to do over again, if it was obvious that the AWB could not be stopped regardless of what we did, I would still SUPPORT THAT COMPROMISE.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Back in 1994, when it became obvious to EVERYONE that Bill Clinton's so called assault weapons ban could not be stopped, gun rights supporters COMPROMISED by having the "sunset clause" inserted into the bill.
tr fox,
WRONG AGAIN.......as usual. [V]
It was the backers of the bill
(you know, the ones trying to get the bill PASSED)
that inserted the sunset clause.
Because without the sunset clause,
THE BILL DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT TO PASS.
Comments
quote:Originally posted by IdahoRedneck
I came here......A staunch supporter of the NRA
So did I IdahoRedneck.....so did I.
I had been supporting/promoting them for YEARS.
Then I was challenged by someone to "do some research" for myself.
The end result is what has been posted in those threads.
I REALLY DO WISH my research would have had a different outcome.
If they are our "best bet" we are in SAD SHAPE.
Just because they are the big dogs, does NOT mean they are the right ones.
People/members are waking up.
yep that was me too. I have opened my eyes, and refuse to close them again.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
All this is still true, though many of my positions are significantly different.[:)]
Brad Steele
Having said all that. I will take this more serious and get more informed. I can also say this: there are risks involed in being free. Things like being able to drive in the mountains of Colorado and enjoy the view where you could drive off a road and fall 3000 or more feet can be a dangerous. Gun control is another place. The second amendment says we have the right to keep and bear arms. That means some stupid people will get them. That doesnt mean we shouldnt have guns or that we shouldnt be able to drive in Colorado. We cannot allow ourselves to become too protected by the government.
We need a voice that really will stand for us in Washington. If its not the NRA, then who? Can we do something to get the NRA on track where it is off? Is there a place where I can see a list of wrong things the NRA has done and the good?
quote:Originally posted by IdahoRedneck
I came here......A staunch supporter of the NRA
So did I IdahoRedneck.....so did I.
I had been supporting/promoting them for YEARS.
Then I was challenged by someone to "do some research" for myself.
The end result is what has been posted in those threads.
I REALLY DO WISH my research would have had a different outcome.
If they are our "best bet" we are in SAD SHAPE.
Just because they are the big dogs, does NOT mean they are the right ones.
People/members are waking up.
As did I pick...and you probably remember that thread...
Thank you all for the comments. I have always hated that NRA seems to never be satisfied with my membership fee and seemed to be in constant need for more money. I can only imagine that some people send money to the NRA money that the poeple cannot afford to give, but really believe in them. That irks me.
Having said all that. I will take this more serious and get more informed. I can also say this: there are risks involed in being free. Things like being able to drive in the mountains of Colorado and enjoy the view where you could drive off a road and fall 3000 or more feet can be a dangerous. Gun control is another place. The second amendment says we have the right to keep and bear arms. That means some stupid people will get them. That doesnt mean we shouldnt have guns or that we shouldnt be able to drive in Colorado. We cannot allow ourselves to become too protected by the government.
We need a voice that really will stand for us in Washington. If its not the NRA, then who? Can we do something to get the NRA on track where it is off? Is there a place where I can see a list of wrong things the NRA has done and the good?
If you seek alternative organizations to support, try:
JFPO.org
GOA
the Second Amendment foundation
To name three.
Oh my God. The NRA has some strange practices.
Unless you are a gun manufacturer the NRA could care less about you.
I have personally watched illegal aliens buy firearms through a bilingual friend of theirs (and probably a US citizen)at the Phoenix gun show several times. They bought these guns from nice white guys who knew exactly who they were selling to. Your idea that people will just 'do right' if there were no firearms laws is beyond logical thought.
Holding to your belief in gun control, did you do more than just watch your favorite laws being broken? Do anything to stop it any of the several times you witnessed it?
Thank you all for the comments. I have always hated that NRA seems to never be satisfied with my membership fee and seemed to be in constant need for more money. I can only imagine that some people send money to the NRA money that the poeple cannot afford to give, but really believe in them. That irks me.
Having said all that. I will take this more serious and get more informed. I can also say this: there are risks involed in being free. Things like being able to drive in the mountains of Colorado and enjoy the view where you could drive off a road and fall 3000 or more feet can be a dangerous. Gun control is another place. The second amendment says we have the right to keep and bear arms. That means some stupid people will get them. That doesnt mean we shouldnt have guns or that we shouldnt be able to drive in Colorado. We cannot allow ourselves to become too protected by the government.
We need a voice that really will stand for us in Washington. If its not the NRA, then who? Can we do something to get the NRA on track where it is off? Is there a place where I can see a list of wrong things the NRA has done and the good?
Rex, check out this web site. www.nrawol.net
As said above -
Gun Owners of America
Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership
Second Amendment Foundation
Also check for Texas Gun Owners, we have Rocky Mtn Gun Owners here in Colorado.
EXCELLENT summation !!
From this vantage point.hard-won...you will look about you and find that the federal government is a usurper government.
They jacked up the REAL government..."we the people". and replaced us with a criminal enterprise.
Back about the late 1860's, I believe...
Rex ;
if compromise,gun control,fear, and government control is your bag...you will find yourself in the company of the NRA, the TRfoxes, and the selectfires of the world.
We that value personal responsibility, freedom, and limited government will look upon you as a foreign agent, however.
Back in 1994, when it became obvious to EVERYONE that Bill Clinton's so called assault weapons ban could not be stopped, gun rights supporters COMPROMISED by having the "sunset clause" inserted into the bill. Now to some who have no understanding of politics, or of how things work in the real work when you do not have total power, that looks like a compromise. Actually it was a last ditch effort on the part of gun right supporters. And it worked.
10 years later, when that "sunset clause" time limit was reach, THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WE DO NOT STILL HAVE IT ON THE BOOKS! Because it expired automatically! Even if we had it to do over again, if it was obvious that the AWB could not be stopped regardless of what we did, I would still SUPPORT THAT COMPROMISE.
Back in 1994, when it became obvious to EVERYONE that Bill Clinton's so called assault weapons ban could not be stopped, gun rights supporters COMPROMISED by having the "sunset clause" inserted into the bill.
tr fox,
WRONG AGAIN.......as usual. [V]
It was the backers of the bill
(you know, the ones trying to get the bill PASSED)
that inserted the sunset clause.
Because without the sunset clause,
THE BILL DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT TO PASS.