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quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
That is a good laugh, me a 'vessel of the state', it is fair to say you sure do not know me very well.[;)]
You are the one with the closed mind, Don, not me!!!!
If you read my post on the 'Rights' thread it states where I am on this and other issues. Ask Jeff if I am a 'vessel of the state'. How many here put their job and pension on the line to support the RTKABA's???? I would like to know what sacrifices many of you have made to support your close mined views!!! It is easy to 'talk the talk', but how many of you have 'walked the walk'???????????[;)]
I once believed very much like you, Jim. I even got into an epic pissing match with some here with me supporting the government's right to deny access to certain individuals. My stubborn nature required a kick to the head to open my mind to the truly unconstitutional nature of the restrictions we live under today. It became apparent in my research that all of these laws exist because almost 80 years ago, it was believed that limiting and managing people outside the constraints of the Constitution was a good idea.
Thus it is not a closed mind that brought me to where I am today, Jim, it is an open mind.
History has shown that opening this door was a tremendous mistake on the part of our ancestors, and once that one obvious fact was internalized, it became clear what the proper path forward should be. It is our responsibility as citizens to limit and manage our government, and hold it to its charter. When we accept the notion that our government can limit and manage us outside its charter is when we become vassals of that government. Supporting a reading of the 2nd Amendment that includes provisions for limits and management is granting the government that extra-Constitutional power.
I know you only from what you post on this forum, Jim. From these posts, I believe you to be well-intentioned and sincere when you state you believe in limited government. I only ask that you truly consider how we can limit government if we support that same government operating outside the limits so plainly set down in the 2nd Amendment.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
That is a good laugh, me a 'vessel of the state', it is fair to say you sure do not know me very well.[;)]
You are the one with the closed mind, Don, not me!!!!
If you read my post on the 'Rights' thread it states where I am on this and other issues. Ask Jeff if I am a 'vessel of the state'. How many here put their job and pension on the line to support the RTKABA's???? I would like to know what sacrifices many of you have made to support your close mined views!!! It is easy to 'talk the talk', but how many of you have 'walked the walk'???????????[;)]
I once believed very much like you, Jim. I even got into an epic pissing match with some here with me supporting the government's right to deny access to certain individuals. My stubborn nature required a kick to the head to open my mind to the truly unconstitutional nature of the restrictions we live under today. It became apparent in my research that all of these laws exist because almost 80 years ago, it was believed that limiting and managing people outside the constraints of the Constitution was a good idea.
Thus it is not a closed mind that brought me to where I am today, Jim, it is an open mind.
History has shown that opening this door was a tremendous mistake on the part of our ancestors, and once that one obvious fact was internalized, it became clear what the proper path forward should be. It is our responsibility as citizens to limit and manage our government, and hold it to its charter. When we accept the notion that our government can limit and manage us outside its charter is when we become vassals of that government. Supporting a reading of the 2nd Amendment that includes provisions for limits and management is granting the government that extra-Constitutional power.
I know you only from what you post on this forum, Jim. From these posts, I believe you to be well-intentioned and sincere when you state you believe in limited government. I only ask that you truly consider how we can limit government if we support that same government operating outside the limits so plainly set down in the 2nd Amendment.
This is very ironic Don.
My reply to you would be almost verbatim what you said to me!!!!
I once believed the way do and took a 'kick' in the head to make me come back to reality.
I respect your position, and as I said, I post so others can see what is being said, not really to change everyone's mind, but that would be nice wouldn't it![;)]
I have learned those who refuse to even budge a little when discussing an issue are bound to fail to get their points across and change VERY FEW to their way of thinking. But I have the utmost respect for those who stand up for what they believe in as long as they do it in way which does not involve their compromising their integrity, as the progressives have done.
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
This is very ironic Don.
My reply to you would be almost verbatim what you said to me!!!!
I once believed the way do and took a 'kick' in the head to make me come back to reality.
I respect your position, and as I said, I post so others can see what is being said, not really to change everyone's mind, but that would be nice wouldn't it![;)]
I have learned those who refuse to even budge a little when discussing an issue are bound to fail to get their points across and change VERY FEW to their way of thinking. But I have the utmost respect for those who stand up for what they believe in as long as they do it in way which does not involve their compromising their integrity, as the progressives have done.
I guess I was just kicked into a different reality, Jim.[:)]
All the best,
Don
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
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That is a good laugh, me a 'vessel of the state', it is fair to say you sure do not know me very well.[;)]
You are the one with the closed mind, Don, not me!!!!
If you read my post on the 'Rights' thread it states where I am on this and other issues. Ask Jeff if I am a 'vessel of the state'. How many here put their job and pension on the line to support the RTKABA's???? I would like to know what sacrifices many of you have made to support your close mined views!!! It is easy to 'talk the talk', but how many of you have 'walked the walk'???????????[;)]
I once believed very much like you, Jim. I even got into an epic pissing match with some here with me supporting the government's right to deny access to certain individuals. My stubborn nature required a kick to the head to open my mind to the truly unconstitutional nature of the restrictions we live under today. It became apparent in my research that all of these laws exist because almost 80 years ago, it was believed that limiting and managing people outside the constraints of the Constitution was a good idea.
Thus it is not a closed mind that brought me to where I am today, Jim, it is an open mind.
History has shown that opening this door was a tremendous mistake on the part of our ancestors, and once that one obvious fact was internalized, it became clear what the proper path forward should be. It is our responsibility as citizens to limit and manage our government, and hold it to its charter. When we accept the notion that our government can limit and manage us outside its charter is when we become vassals of that government. Supporting a reading of the 2nd Amendment that includes provisions for limits and management is granting the government that extra-Constitutional power.
I know you only from what you post on this forum, Jim. From these posts, I believe you to be well-intentioned and sincere when you state you believe in limited government. I only ask that you truly consider how we can limit government if we support that same government operating outside the limits so plainly set down in the 2nd Amendment.
Brad Steele
Alright we're done.
Do you think the language in the Second Amendment is clear enough? You know, about the right to bear arms.
Of course it's clear, every American has the right to hang a pair of bear arms on their wall. How can that possibly be misconstrued?
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
That is a good laugh, me a 'vessel of the state', it is fair to say you sure do not know me very well.[;)]
You are the one with the closed mind, Don, not me!!!!
If you read my post on the 'Rights' thread it states where I am on this and other issues. Ask Jeff if I am a 'vessel of the state'. How many here put their job and pension on the line to support the RTKABA's???? I would like to know what sacrifices many of you have made to support your close mined views!!! It is easy to 'talk the talk', but how many of you have 'walked the walk'???????????[;)]
I once believed very much like you, Jim. I even got into an epic pissing match with some here with me supporting the government's right to deny access to certain individuals. My stubborn nature required a kick to the head to open my mind to the truly unconstitutional nature of the restrictions we live under today. It became apparent in my research that all of these laws exist because almost 80 years ago, it was believed that limiting and managing people outside the constraints of the Constitution was a good idea.
Thus it is not a closed mind that brought me to where I am today, Jim, it is an open mind.
History has shown that opening this door was a tremendous mistake on the part of our ancestors, and once that one obvious fact was internalized, it became clear what the proper path forward should be. It is our responsibility as citizens to limit and manage our government, and hold it to its charter. When we accept the notion that our government can limit and manage us outside its charter is when we become vassals of that government. Supporting a reading of the 2nd Amendment that includes provisions for limits and management is granting the government that extra-Constitutional power.
I know you only from what you post on this forum, Jim. From these posts, I believe you to be well-intentioned and sincere when you state you believe in limited government. I only ask that you truly consider how we can limit government if we support that same government operating outside the limits so plainly set down in the 2nd Amendment.
This is very ironic Don.
My reply to you would be almost verbatim what you said to me!!!!
I once believed the way do and took a 'kick' in the head to make me come back to reality.
I respect your position, and as I said, I post so others can see what is being said, not really to change everyone's mind, but that would be nice wouldn't it![;)]
I have learned those who refuse to even budge a little when discussing an issue are bound to fail to get their points across and change VERY FEW to their way of thinking. But I have the utmost respect for those who stand up for what they believe in as long as they do it in way which does not involve their compromising their integrity, as the progressives have done.
This is very ironic Don.
My reply to you would be almost verbatim what you said to me!!!!
I once believed the way do and took a 'kick' in the head to make me come back to reality.
I respect your position, and as I said, I post so others can see what is being said, not really to change everyone's mind, but that would be nice wouldn't it![;)]
I have learned those who refuse to even budge a little when discussing an issue are bound to fail to get their points across and change VERY FEW to their way of thinking. But I have the utmost respect for those who stand up for what they believe in as long as they do it in way which does not involve their compromising their integrity, as the progressives have done.
I guess I was just kicked into a different reality, Jim.[:)]
All the best,
Don
Brad Steele