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CA Membership Request....

n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
dthhal sent an email asking about becoming a Canary *. Here's his request:


Hi Eric,
Hope you are well. I have a question regarding the CA's. I appreciate very much your views and am curious as to how one is welcomed into the fold? I would like to be accepted some day as I feel it is very important to surround ones self with like minded people. Thanks for your time Eric. Have a good one.



I think it's been a while since anyone has been added to the ranks...Thoughts.?.?

Comments

  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What are the policy guides...

    Seems like a humble enough request if qualified.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Wow.
    Imagine that. I thought we were so thoroughly discredited by certain members that NONE would dare such a move....I will dig thru the back posts and see if I can find the roster.....
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,670 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I only see responses to 7 threads in Gun Rights.

    Nothing objectionable from my standpoint, but a rather limited body of work. I didn't wade though GD or Politics, but would be interested in seeing more.

    Can you link some good threads from GD or Politics, Eric?

    Thanks,

    Don
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Here is a good one to look over...http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=462212

    Numbers 11 and 16 need a bit of discussion....but nobody is right 100 percent of the time....

    dthhal
    Member



    USA
    758 Posts
    Posted - 06/21/2010 : 5:25:03 PM

    1) No property taxes. Its mine, not anyone elses and Ive already paid for it.
    2) Term limits. 4 years and youre out.
    3) No entittlement programs. No one is entittled to anything. If you need wellfare, you have to earn it by working at a soup kitchen or other community service. Even those bedridden can read to children.
    4) All elected "officials" must pass a polygraph test before their "election" is made official. They must truthfully answer how they feel about the Constitution. If they feel it is up for interpretation, they fail.
    5) Fix the trade deficit through tariffs. Bring manufacturing back to the US. Tariffs are used to supply capital for military operations.
    6) States have the ultimate power. All roads within the state are to be maintained by the state. License fees to pay for this.
    7) No anchor babies allowed. Illegal begats illegal. Simple as that.
    8) Boarder is closed. If youre illegal, get out now! 1 week to comply, or if you are found after the 1 week, you will be "escorted" out. Violate the law again and capital punishment is mandatory. Bill sent to your home country.
    9) Get rid of all the fluff. No committees other than those necessary for national defense. IRS, ATF, etc is gone.
    10) Defect from the U.N.
    11) No more electoral college, we have the technology where everyone legal can vote. Majority rules.
    12) No 500 appeals if convicted. Sentence to be carried out 2 weeks after setencing. 1 appeal during that time frame.
    13) No lobbying
    14) Limited foreign aid. Limited meaning we only provide resources in a major emergency, and the country in need pays the debt.
    15) No screwing around in wars. When we go to war, we go to win. We hold nothing back. We finish quickly and return. No more of the 10 year war crap. Give the Generals what they need to win, and let them do their jobs.
    16) Politicians are not allowed on military committees. Committees to be made up of seasoned veterans.
    17) Veteran benefits are to be cleaned up and easy to use. No more red tape for our service men and women. (Thank you for your service).
    18) Service men and women families will be able to pay their bills while their spouse is serving.
    19) If you dont own a gun, you have to pay a victim fee tax of $500 per year. (About the cost of good handgun).
    20) Major issues like a healthcare bill or similar is to be put to vote by all citizens and not done through Congress. Vote to be done during election year.

    Good for now, but I have more.

    Edited by - dthhal on 06/21/2010 5:25:19 PM
  • brickmaster1248brickmaster1248 Member Posts: 3,344
    edited November -1
    dthal corrected himself in that thread when a question was presented about #11. I think he meant well just got a little over zealous. Like HB said none of us are right all the time.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    I only see responses to 7 threads in Gun Rights.

    Nothing objectionable from my standpoint, but a rather limited body of work. I didn't wade though GD or Politics, but would be interested in seeing more.

    Can you link some good threads from GD or Politics, Eric?

    Thanks,

    Don



    http://forums.gunbroker.com/search.asp?mode=DoIt&MEMBER_ID=100071
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Here is a good one to look over...http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=462212

    Numbers 11 and 16 need a bit of discussion....but nobody is right 100 percent of the time....

    dthhal
    Member



    USA
    758 Posts
    Posted - 06/21/2010 : 5:25:03 PM

    1) No property taxes. Its mine, not anyone elses and Ive already paid for it.
    2) Term limits. 4 years and youre out.
    3) No entittlement programs. No one is entittled to anything. If you need wellfare, you have to earn it by working at a soup kitchen or other community service. Even those bedridden can read to children.
    4) All elected "officials" must pass a polygraph test before their "election" is made official. They must truthfully answer how they feel about the Constitution. If they feel it is up for interpretation, they fail.
    5) Fix the trade deficit through tariffs. Bring manufacturing back to the US. Tariffs are used to supply capital for military operations.
    6) States have the ultimate power. All roads within the state are to be maintained by the state. License fees to pay for this.
    7) No anchor babies allowed. Illegal begats illegal. Simple as that.
    8) Boarder is closed. If youre illegal, get out now! 1 week to comply, or if you are found after the 1 week, you will be "escorted" out. Violate the law again and capital punishment is mandatory. Bill sent to your home country.
    9) Get rid of all the fluff. No committees other than those necessary for national defense. IRS, ATF, etc is gone.
    10) Defect from the U.N.
    11) No more electoral college, we have the technology where everyone legal can vote. Majority rules.
    12) No 500 appeals if convicted. Sentence to be carried out 2 weeks after setencing. 1 appeal during that time frame.
    13) No lobbying
    14) Limited foreign aid. Limited meaning we only provide resources in a major emergency, and the country in need pays the debt.
    15) No screwing around in wars. When we go to war, we go to win. We hold nothing back. We finish quickly and return. No more of the 10 year war crap. Give the Generals what they need to win, and let them do their jobs.
    16) Politicians are not allowed on military committees. Committees to be made up of seasoned veterans.
    17) Veteran benefits are to be cleaned up and easy to use. No more red tape for our service men and women. (Thank you for your service).
    18) Service men and women families will be able to pay their bills while their spouse is serving.
    19) If you dont own a gun, you have to pay a victim fee tax of $500 per year. (About the cost of good handgun).
    20) Major issues like a healthcare bill or similar is to be put to vote by all citizens and not done through Congress. Vote to be done during election year.

    Good for now, but I have more.

    Edited by - dthhal on 06/21/2010 5:25:19 PM



    What about #2? We have an amendment to the constitution saying the POTUS may serve 2 terms.

    #3 sure sounds like a continuation of welfare.

    #12 Sounds like subverting do process.

    #14 sounds like continuing business as usual. Why do we need the government to do what private donations should be doing?

    #17 ( I may be alone here) BUT unless you made the military a CAREER, why are we paying benefits, OTHER than any medical services related to injury?

    #18 Are we supposed to be paying grunts 100K a year to start? Don't know about the rest of ya's, but I started at the bottom as a young adult. Sometimes that means not making a pile of money.

    #19 Freedom also means the CHOICE to excersize your liberties, or NOT.


    #20 We are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. In order for something like the "health care bill" to pass, a constitutional amendment is in order, NOT a democratic vote.


    I am not saying no, but I certainly would like to HEAR from him.....
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by freemind
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Here is a good one to look over...http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=462212

    Numbers 11 and 16 need a bit of discussion....but nobody is right 100 percent of the time....

    dthhal
    Member



    USA
    758 Posts
    Posted - 06/21/2010 : 5:25:03 PM

    1) No property taxes. Its mine, not anyone elses and Ive already paid for it.
    2) Term limits. 4 years and youre out.
    3) No entittlement programs. No one is entittled to anything. If you need wellfare, you have to earn it by working at a soup kitchen or other community service. Even those bedridden can read to children.
    4) All elected "officials" must pass a polygraph test before their "election" is made official. They must truthfully answer how they feel about the Constitution. If they feel it is up for interpretation, they fail.
    5) Fix the trade deficit through tariffs. Bring manufacturing back to the US. Tariffs are used to supply capital for military operations.
    6) States have the ultimate power. All roads within the state are to be maintained by the state. License fees to pay for this.
    7) No anchor babies allowed. Illegal begats illegal. Simple as that.
    8) Boarder is closed. If youre illegal, get out now! 1 week to comply, or if you are found after the 1 week, you will be "escorted" out. Violate the law again and capital punishment is mandatory. Bill sent to your home country.
    9) Get rid of all the fluff. No committees other than those necessary for national defense. IRS, ATF, etc is gone.
    10) Defect from the U.N.
    11) No more electoral college, we have the technology where everyone legal can vote. Majority rules.
    12) No 500 appeals if convicted. Sentence to be carried out 2 weeks after setencing. 1 appeal during that time frame.
    13) No lobbying
    14) Limited foreign aid. Limited meaning we only provide resources in a major emergency, and the country in need pays the debt.
    15) No screwing around in wars. When we go to war, we go to win. We hold nothing back. We finish quickly and return. No more of the 10 year war crap. Give the Generals what they need to win, and let them do their jobs.
    16) Politicians are not allowed on military committees. Committees to be made up of seasoned veterans.
    17) Veteran benefits are to be cleaned up and easy to use. No more red tape for our service men and women. (Thank you for your service).
    18) Service men and women families will be able to pay their bills while their spouse is serving.
    19) If you dont own a gun, you have to pay a victim fee tax of $500 per year. (About the cost of good handgun).
    20) Major issues like a healthcare bill or similar is to be put to vote by all citizens and not done through Congress. Vote to be done during election year.

    Good for now, but I have more.

    Edited by - dthhal on 06/21/2010 5:25:19 PM



    What about #2? We have an amendment to the constitution saying the POTUS may serve 2 terms.

    #3 sure sounds like a continuation of welfare.

    #12 Sounds like subverting do process.

    #14 sounds like continuing business as usual. Why do we need the government to do what private donations should be doing?

    #17 ( I may be alone here) BUT unless you made the military a CAREER, why are we paying benefits, OTHER than any medical services related to injury?

    #18 Are we supposed to be paying grunts 100K a year to start? Don't know about the rest of ya's, but I started at the bottom as a young adult. Sometimes that means not making a pile of money.

    #19 Freedom also means the CHOICE to excersize your liberties, or NOT.


    #20 We are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. In order for something like the "health care bill" to pass, a constitutional amendment is in order, NOT a democratic vote.


    I am not saying no, but I certainly would like to HEAR from him.....



    You raise some valid points...but none of them are substantial enough for me to vote against membership over. I think every single one of us has revised what we believe with regards to how this country was set up over the years...as we learn, we change. For the most part, it sounds as if his view are pretty solid to me...
  • dthhaldthhal Member Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First of all thank you to all for your consideration. I will address any and all questions that you may have.

    Freemind, thank you for your points below. Its sometimes hard to get to our exact point in a thread. The quick list below were merely starting points to my thoughts. I will try to clarify my thinking on each so as there is no confusion.
    Originally posted by freemind
    Originally posted by Highball
    Here is a good one to look over...http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=462212

    Numbers 11 and 16 need a bit of discussion....but nobody is right 100 percent of the time....

    dthhal
    Member



    USA
    758 Posts
    Posted - 06/21/2010 : 5:25:03 PM

    1) No property taxes. Its mine, not anyone elses and Ive already paid for it.
    2) Term limits. 4 years and youre out.
    3) No entittlement programs. No one is entittled to anything. If you need wellfare, you have to earn it by working at a soup kitchen or other community service. Even those bedridden can read to children.
    4) All elected "officials" must pass a polygraph test before their "election" is made official. They must truthfully answer how they feel about the Constitution. If they feel it is up for interpretation, they fail.
    5) Fix the trade deficit through tariffs. Bring manufacturing back to the US. Tariffs are used to supply capital for military operations.
    6) States have the ultimate power. All roads within the state are to be maintained by the state. License fees to pay for this.
    7) No anchor babies allowed. Illegal begats illegal. Simple as that.
    8) Boarder is closed. If youre illegal, get out now! 1 week to comply, or if you are found after the 1 week, you will be "escorted" out. Violate the law again and capital punishment is mandatory. Bill sent to your home country.
    9) Get rid of all the fluff. No committees other than those necessary for national defense. IRS, ATF, etc is gone.
    10) Defect from the U.N.
    11) No more electoral college, we have the technology where everyone legal can vote. Majority rules.
    12) No 500 appeals if convicted. Sentence to be carried out 2 weeks after setencing. 1 appeal during that time frame.
    13) No lobbying
    14) Limited foreign aid. Limited meaning we only provide resources in a major emergency, and the country in need pays the debt.
    15) No screwing around in wars. When we go to war, we go to win. We hold nothing back. We finish quickly and return. No more of the 10 year war crap. Give the Generals what they need to win, and let them do their jobs.
    16) Politicians are not allowed on military committees. Committees to be made up of seasoned veterans.
    17) Veteran benefits are to be cleaned up and easy to use. No more red tape for our service men and women. (Thank you for your service).
    18) Service men and women families will be able to pay their bills while their spouse is serving.
    19) If you dont own a gun, you have to pay a victim fee tax of $500 per year. (About the cost of good handgun).
    20) Major issues like a healthcare bill or similar is to be put to vote by all citizens and not done through Congress. Vote to be done during election year.

    Good for now, but I have more.

    Edited by - dthhal on 06/21/2010 5:25:19 PM



    What about #2? We have an amendment to the constitution saying the POTUS may serve 2 terms.
    Im not opposed to the 20th Amendment. However, as time has shown incumbents tend to tarnish over time. Corruption by power.

    #3 sure sounds like a continuation of welfare.
    Im 100% opposed to welfare. Welfare should be handled by private individuals and non-profit churches. We should be free to choose where our money goes in these matters. If you have extra money and want to give, give. If not you dont. My point on this was that even with churches helping people out, the people should have work to earn the handout. If they need help, then they can help others that need it to. No more free entitlements.

    #12 Sounds like subverting do process.
    Due process is a fundamental right to all who are innocent until proven guilty. Point here is that taxpayers should not have to shell out millions for inmates that are on death row. They will have their day in court, they will have their opportunity to defend themselves. But dont drag out proceedings that costs us millions. Lawyer stall tactics that impede justice to be served is the target here.

    #14 sounds like continuing business as usual. Why do we need the government to do what private donations should be doing?
    I agree this should be handled more privately. However, our govt does have resources that can speed up aid. This is why I stated the billing for the services to the other country. Nothing wrong with helping, but its not free. Free comes from private donations. Not all taxpayers agree we should help, therefore it should not be used as free help.

    #17 ( I may be alone here) BUT unless you made the military a CAREER, why are we paying benefits, OTHER than any medical services related to injury?
    Im a firm believer in taking care of our service men and women. When I think about those who serve coming home (consider Vietnam) and not being taken care of it bugs the heck out of me. Its not free, they earned it. They put their life on the line for our freedom. Perhaps the amount of benefits they get is contigent upon the time they serve. 4 years in service = 4 years in civilian benefits? Unless wounded of course, then I feel is lifelong. Not perfect by any means.

    #18 Are we supposed to be paying grunts 100K a year to start? Don't know about the rest of ya's, but I started at the bottom as a young adult. Sometimes that means not making a pile of money.
    No I dont think so. Im not familiar with military pay. Everyone should have to work their way up. No different than civilian work.

    #19 Freedom also means the CHOICE to excersize your liberties, or NOT.
    Youre absolutely correct. Everyone is free to choose. However, if a person chooses not to protect themselves they alone should bear the burden of the costs.


    #20 We are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. In order for something like the "health care bill" to pass, a constitutional amendment is in order, NOT a democratic vote.
    I agree that this should be dealt with through an amendment. All laws should and actions of our government should be directed by the Constitution. This was more directed at recent events. Our representatives dont represent us anymore. They are only out for themselves both Repub and Demo. They are one in the same and neither can be trusted. I was trying to think of a way to lessen their perceived power and put the power back in the hands of the citizens.


    I am not saying no, but I certainly would like to HEAR from him.....

    Gentlemen, I am not perfect and have definately made mistakes in my life. The point is to learn from them and not make the same mistake twice. I have learned much from all of you, and will continue to learn as we go forward. Thank you all again for your time and consideration.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    dthhal,
    I still don't agree with most of your explainations, but thank you for further explaining them to me.

    You sure you want the brand burned on your *? Have you seen how the other membership of GB calls us followers?

    Hope you know what your looking to jump into. [;)]
  • dthhaldthhal Member Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by freemind
    dthhal,
    I still don't agree with most of your explainations, but thank you for further explaining them to me.

    You sure you want the brand burned on your *? Have you seen how the other membership of GB calls us followers?

    Hope you know what your looking to jump into. [;)]


    Freemind,
    If you have some time shoot me a PM. Id like to read your thoughts on the issues you mentioned. Perhaps Im missing something. At any rate Id enjoy the thought provoking exchange. Thank you.

    The way I see it as far as the ridicule goes, we need more people willing to stand up for our rights, afterall, freedom isnt free.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by freemind
    dthhal,
    I still don't agree with most of your explainations, but thank you for further explaining them to me.

    You sure you want the brand burned on your *? Have you seen how the other membership of GB calls us followers?

    Hope you know what your looking to jump into. [;)]



    Yup...a true leader is not concerned with ridicule though...there will always be someone who wants to beat you down...especially when you have the moral high ground.[;)]
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ECC

    You raise some valid points...but none of them are substantial enough for me to vote against membership over. I think every single one of us has revised what we believe with regards to how this country was set up over the years...as we learn, we change. For the most part, it sounds as if his view are pretty solid to me...


    True, I am still revising as I learn more. Way ahead of some, way behind others. Willing, that's the key.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    dthhal;

    I suggest you start a new thread, requesting membership as per the Roster.
    You have the first 'ay' from me..I have been watching your posts, and have seen a steady progress on your part.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    dthhal;

    I suggest you start a new thread, requesting membership as per the Roster.
    You have the first 'ay' from me..I have been watching your posts, and have seen a steady progress on your part.




    You have your second Aye here.
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    and 'Aye' #3 from me.[;)]
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    Well, with no new thread, a 4th "aye" from here.

    Not sure why anyone would want to[B)][;)]

    Do we have enough "regulars" to meet the min.?
  • IdahoRedneckIdahoRedneck Member Posts: 2,699
    edited November -1
    Eric WHy is it that you only reply or call on the CA';s when you need somethin................Please dont think Im being a prick here but.......the last time you mentioned anything to do with the CA's is when you nominated Tomahawk..........hmmmm similar circumstance here........


    Where were ya on this one.............

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=400159

    Or this one...

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=398554


    or this one.......

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=379692




    or this one........

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=434184






    Why is it ECC that you never step up to the plate........to defend the CA's

    (in the time Ive been here , All I did was search my own posts in Constitution law on any thing regarding the CA's.)

    You display your number in your sig line but I never see ya in a discussion concerning the CA's, At least in the time since ive been here....



    You are never to be seen unless your recommending someone for admission.....

    Why is that?









    And I have no dog in this fight but if I did Aye from me too...............[:D]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
  • Canary ass no. 1Canary ass no. 1 Member Posts: 104 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    IdahoRedneck;
    Bluntly, ECC is a moderator. That would seem to preclude his active participation in the wars that erupt over the CAs, simply because of the resultant cries of favoritism that would surely follow.


    Much as Pickenup was a CA long before there was a CA...withdrew his name from the active ranks..simply to maintain control here on Gun Rights without charges of favoritism.

    Ecc is moderator on the other side..but to actively voice his opinion would be perhaps counterproductive for him...and us.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by IdahoRedneck
    Eric WHy is it that you only reply or call on the CA';s when you need somethin................Please dont think Im being a prick here but.......the last time you mentioned anything to do with the CA's is when you nominated Tomahawk..........hmmmm similar circumstance here........


    Where were ya on this one.............

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=400159

    Or this one...

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=398554


    or this one.......

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=379692




    or this one........

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=434184






    Why is it ECC that you never step up to the plate........to defend the CA's

    (in the time Ive been here , All I did was search my own posts in Constitution law on any thing regarding the CA's.)

    You display your number in your sig line but I never see ya in a discussion concerning the CA's, At least in the time since ive been here....



    You are never to be seen unless your recommending someone for admission.....

    Why is that?









    And I have no dog in this fight but if I did Aye from me too...............[:D]




    I step into the fray all the time...you evidently miss it. If I feel a conversation has already been handled/addressed by fellow members, there's no need for me to add my two cents. Most of the time my Brethren already have the situation handled...but you are mistaken. I've even stepped in when there were other moderators involved who were out of line.

    HB hit the nail on head with his last remarks as well.
  • brickmaster1248brickmaster1248 Member Posts: 3,344
    edited November -1
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