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Victory for gun rights

cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
edited June 2010 in Gun Rights and Constitutional Law
from scotusblog:
quote:My bet is roughly 25,000 people are watching the live blog.
Monday June 28, 2010 10:01 Tom
10:02 Erin: The Chief Justice opened the public session with a tribute to Martin Ginsburg.

Monday June 28, 2010 10:02 Erin
10:03 Tom: We believe Justice Ginsburg is on the bench.
Monday June 28, 2010 10:03 Tom
10:04 Erin: The Court denies review of all seven tobacco petitions, including one by the U.S.
Monday June 28, 2010 10:04 Erin
10:04 Erin: Alito announces McDonald v. Chicago: reversed and remanded
Monday June 28, 2010 10:04 Erin
10:04 Tom: Gun rights prevail
Monday June 28, 2010 10:04 Tom
10:05 Erin: The opinion concludes that the 14th Amendment does incorporate the Second Amendment right recognized in Heller to keep and bear arms in self defense

Monday June 28, 2010 10:05 Erin
10:05 Tom: 5-4
Monday June 28, 2010 10:05 Tom
10:05 Erin: Stevens dissents for himself. Breyer dissents, joined by Ginsburg and Sotomayor.
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  • MaxOHMSMaxOHMS Member Posts: 14,715
    edited November -1
    Wheeeeeeeeweeeeee

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    yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


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  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Tom: The majority seems divided, presumably on the precise standard
    Monday June 28, 2010 10:05 Tom
    10:06 Erin: The majority Justices do not support all parts of the Alito opinion, but all five agree that the 2d Amendment applies to state and local government.
    Monday June 28, 2010 10:06 Erin
    10:06 Erin: Alito, in the part of the opinion joined by three Justices, concludes that the 2d Amendment is incorporated through the Due Process Clause.
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  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Court rules for gun rights, strikes down Chicago handgun ban

    In another dramatic victory for firearm owners, the Supreme Court has ruled unconstitutional Chicago's 28-year-old strict ban on handgun ownership, a potentially far-reaching case over the ability of state and local governments to enforce limits on weapons.

    A conservative majority of justices on Monday reiterated its two-year-old conclusion the Constitution gives individuals equal or greater power than states to possess certain firearms for self-protection.

    The court however said local jurisdictions still retain the flexibility to preserve some "reasonable" gun control measures currently in place nationwide.
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
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  • Cling2mygunsCling2myguns Member Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/06/28/high-courts-big-ruling-for-gun-rights/
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  • RtWngExtrmstRtWngExtrmst Member Posts: 7,456
    edited November -1
    As expeted, these * believe that "Shall not be infringed" means some "reasonable" gun control measures currently in place nationwide.

    This ruling is not a victory for gun owners. It means we have to kiss * and get government permission to exercise the 2nd Amendment rights. And then, only if the barrel is not too short, or too long, etc., etc.
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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Will this also have any affect on NY Citys' ban on handguns too or is this just a Chicago deal. From what I read on yahoo news it said "The Supreme Court ruled Monday that the Constitution's "right to keep and bear arms" applies nationwide as a restraint on the ability of the federal, state and local governments to substantially limit its reach." Oh man I hope NY is next so they can shove their ban right up Mayor Bloombergs rear.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,670 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RugerNiner
    Court rules for gun rights, strikes down Chicago handgun ban

    In another dramatic victory for firearm owners, the Supreme Court has ruled unconstitutional Chicago's 28-year-old strict ban on handgun ownership, a potentially far-reaching case over the ability of state and local governments to enforce limits on weapons.

    A conservative majority of justices on Monday reiterated its two-year-old conclusion the Constitution gives individuals equal or greater power than states to possess certain firearms for self-protection.

    The court however said local jurisdictions still retain the flexibility to preserve some "reasonable" gun control measures currently in place nationwide.


    SCOTUS ruled on gun rights, rights of self-protection. They seriously weakened the 2nd, as was expected.

    The RTKBA is now officially about hunting, the shooting sports, and self-protection from criminals. It no longer protects you from your government. That is the job of the judiciary, of course, and they ain't big on competition.

    This will pacify a large percentage of gun owners and in that regard it is probably worse than a decision to uphold the Chicago law.

    Screw them, screw the NRA who supported this 'due process' interpretation, and screw each and every one of you support either this decision or that quisling organization.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don,

    Oh please do explain?

    Trinity +++
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  • CHGOTHNDERCHGOTHNDER Member Posts: 8,936 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You know Daley's scrambling now to enact other laws.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wall Street Journal poll on left side of page.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703964104575334701513109426.html
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
    NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't think you will ever hear the SCOTUS say the 2nd is about protecting us from the Government--it will most likely never happen. If that's the case then they should just outright ban all guns, and start the collections, and let what happens happen. I wish they would do one or the other. I am glad though that this will be a burr under Daley and Obama's saddle. It took incrimintalism of 20,000+ gun laws to get where we are today--I HATE it that it's incrimintalism that MAY take us back. Call me impatient I guess. I wish they would just follow what the 2nd says--it's crystal clear to me what it says and I'm no lawyer--why is it so cloudy to them[V]
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,670 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
    Don,

    Oh please do explain?

    Trinity +++


    I responded directly to your 'step in the right direction' comment on the other thread, Trinity.

    The short version is that SCOTUS has placed the power of licensing, registration and regulation firmly in hands of the States and Cities. They did not have this power Constitutionally until today.

    Alito called it 'Ordered Liberty' in his decision. A disturbing juxtaposition of words, don't you think?
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Don,

    Trinity +++
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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:Screw them, screw the NRA who supported this 'due process' interpretation, and screw each and every one of you support either this decision or that quisling organization.

    Thanks, Don...you said it much better then I.


    They also set back any draconian gun move by the government...a sad day indeed. Smart guys on the Court...they have protected their own az yet again.
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  • buffalobobuffalobo Member Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:SCOTUS ruled on gun rights, rights of self-protection. They seriously weakened the 2nd, as was expected.

    The RTKBA is now officially about hunting, the shooting sports, and self-protection from criminals. It no longer protects you from your government. That is the job of the judiciary, of course, and they ain't big on competition.

    This will pacify a large percentage of gun owners and in that regard it is probably worse than a decision to uphold the Chicago law.

    Screw them, screw the NRA who supported this 'due process' interpretation, and screw each and every one of you support either this decision or that quisling organization.

    Well said Don.
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