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SUPREMES: RTKBA TO ALL 50 States!!!

HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
Which Seven didn't make the cut???[:D][:D][:D]

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  • CHEVELLE427CHEVELLE427 Member Posts: 6,750
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
    Which Seven didn't make the cut???[:D][:D][:D]



    found it on face book.

    BREAKING NEWS FOX NEWS::

    In its second major ruling on gun rights in three years, the Supreme Court Monday extended the federally protected right to keep and bear arms to all 50 states. The decision will be hailed by gun rights advocates and comes over the opposition of gun control groups, the city of Chicago and four justices.Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the five justice majority saying "the right to keep and bear arms must be regarded as a substantive guarantee, not a prohibition that could be ignored so long as the States legislated in an evenhanded manner."The ruling builds upon the Court's 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller that invalidated the handgun ban in the nation's capital. More importantly, that decision held that the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms was a right the Founders specifically delegated to individuals. The justices affirmed that decision and extended its reach to the 50 states. Today's ruling also invalidates Chicago's handgun ban.
  • pogybatepogybate Member Posts: 3,150
    edited November -1
    5-4 vote, close[8D]
  • CbtEngr01CbtEngr01 Member Posts: 4,340
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  • Queen of SwordsQueen of Swords Member Posts: 14,355
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
    Which Seven didn't make the cut???[:D][:D][:D]


    Ha!...I get it...[:I]
  • CHEVELLE427CHEVELLE427 Member Posts: 6,750
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pogybate
    5-4 vote, close[8D]


    always is

    think they just draw straws
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,899 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Votes are always 5-4. There are 5 relatively conservative justices and 4 ultra-liberals. So far Sheik Obama has gotten to replace only liberal members so no change in Court makeup.
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  • nutfinnnutfinn Member Posts: 12,804 ✭✭✭
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    By MARK SHERMAN
    The Associated Press
    Monday, June 28, 2010; 10:46 AM
    WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court held Monday that the Constitution's Second Amendment restrains government's ability to significantly limit "the right to keep and bear arms," advancing a recent trend by the John Roberts-led bench to embrace gun rights.
    By a narrow, 5-4 vote, the justices also signaled, however, that some limitations on the right could survive legal challenges.
    Writing for the court in a case involving restrictive laws in Chicago and one of its suburbs, Justice Samuel Alito said that the Second Amendment right "applies equally to the federal government and the states."
    The court was split along familiar ideological lines, with five conservative-moderate justices in favor of gun rights and four liberals opposed. Chief Justice Roberts voted with the majority.
    Two years ago, the court declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess guns, at least for purposes of self-defense in the home.
    That ruling applied only to federal laws. It struck down a ban on handguns and a trigger lock requirement for other guns in the District of Columbia, a federal city with a unique legal standing. At the same time, the court was careful not to cast doubt on other regulations of firearms here.
    Gun rights proponents almost immediately filed a federal lawsuit challenging gun control laws in Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Ill, where handguns have been banned for nearly 30 years. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence says those laws appear to be the last two remaining outright bans.
    Lower federal courts upheld the two laws, noting that judges on those benches were bound by Supreme Court precedent and that it would be up to the high court justices to ultimately rule on the true reach of the Second Amendment.
    The Supreme Court already has said that most of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights serve as a check on state and local, as well as federal, laws.
    Monday's decision did not explicitly strike down the Chicago area laws, ordering a federal appeals court to reconsider its ruling. But it left little doubt that they would eventually fall.
    Still, Alito noted that the declaration that the Second Amendment is fully binding on states and cities "limits (but by no means eliminates) their ability to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values."
  • TRAP55TRAP55 Member Posts: 8,270 ✭✭✭
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    quote:Still, Alito noted that the declaration that the Second Amendment is fully binding on states and cities "limits (but by no means eliminates) their ability to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values."
    Thus the need for the SCOTUS to define "Shall Not Be Infringed".
    Gee, I wonder if the NRA will bring that up anytime soon?
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,899 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Two thoughts:

    1. Notice the "narrow vote" comment from the AP. Liberal media always says "narrow vote" when liberals lose the decision. You won't see those words in print when the vote goes their way.

    2. When the DC ban was struck down the city council imposed such an insurmountable obstacle of rules and regulations for gun ownership that the effect is the same. Are there any legal gun owners in DC yet, two years after the ruling?
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  • Night StalkerNight Stalker Member Posts: 11,967
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    Two thoughts:

    1. Notice the "narrow vote" comment from the AP. Liberal media always says "narrow vote" when liberals lose the decision. You won't see those words in print when the vote goes their way.

    2. When the DC ban was struck down the city council imposed such an insurmountable obstacle of rules and regulations for gun ownership that the effect is the same. Are there any legal gun owners in DC yet, two years after the ruling?
    Doc,

    I agree 100% with both of your points.

    1. People in media choose their words quite carefully; the "narrow vote" is a greeat catch on your behalf. As subtle as it may seem, they do have a target audience in mind when they write the article.

    2. Chicago will bury in paperwork, any free man who tries to force the State of Chicago to recognize his rights.

    What a shame... I guess it's a victory, but the SCOTUS will do NOTHING about Chicago refusing to adhere to the decision.

    NS
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    I thought it was interesting that sotomeyer voted against the 2A when, during here confirmation hearings last year she was asked point blank whether the 2A guaranteed an INDIVIDUALS rtkaba and she answered YES in no uncertain terms.
    SO she is not only fat and ugly, she is a liar.
    I hope the Senators on the judicial committee are alot tougher on Kagen and expose some of her lying tendancies before she is approved or confirmed by the whole senate.
  • legearlegear Member Posts: 6,716
    edited November -1
    quote:Night Stalker Posted - 06/28/2010 : 12:03:47 PM

    quote:
    Originally posted by Doc

    Two thoughts:

    1. Notice the "narrow vote" comment from the AP. Liberal media always says "narrow vote" when liberals lose the decision. You won't see those words in print when the vote goes their way.

    2. When the DC ban was struck down the city council imposed such an insurmountable obstacle of rules and regulations for gun ownership that the effect is the same. Are there any legal gun owners in DC yet, two years after the ruling?


    Doc,

    I agree 100% with both of your points.

    1. People in media choose their words quite carefully; the "narrow vote" is a greeat catch on your behalf. As subtle as it may seem, they do have a target audience in mind when they write the article.

    2. Chicago will bury in paperwork, any free man who tries to force the State of Chicago to recognize his rights.

    What a shame... I guess it's a victory, but the SCOTUS will do NOTHING about Chicago refusing to adhere to the decision.

    NS

    I dont remember the facts but D.C. tried to side step the ruling. And in turn D.C. didnt get a seat in congress or something like that.
  • Wyatt EarpWyatt Earp Member Posts: 5,871
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    Votes are always 5-4. There are 5 relatively conservative justices and 4 ultra-liberals. So far Sheik Obama has gotten to replace only liberal members so no change in Court makeup.


    I don't see this as such a good thing. Oh, I'm glad we won, but it scares me that 4 voted nay. That tells me that the Second would be in jeopardy should be lose one more semi-conservative SCOTUS member.

    THAT would prompt a SHTF scenario.
  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    Well Handload, obvious just a couple "got it", and this topic went to the "serious" side of Gun Rights & Constitutional Law, so to the appropriate forum it goes...[;)]
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 16,704 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [:(][|)][8] There should have not been ANY NO votes. It shows that whatever their leaning is,,IT IS what they vote to do... NO different than anybody else....they are no more Supreme thatn anybody else...Thier job is to interpet the constitution,,not change it.. Kegan will be the next liberal to vote HER will..[B)]
  • GoatroperGoatroper Member Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Night Stalker
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    Two thoughts:

    1. Notice the "narrow vote" comment from the AP. Liberal media always says "narrow vote" when liberals lose the decision. You won't see those words in print when the vote goes their way.

    2. When the DC ban was struck down the city council imposed such an insurmountable obstacle of rules and regulations for gun ownership that the effect is the same. Are there any legal gun owners in DC yet, two years after the ruling?
    Doc,

    I agree 100% with both of your points.

    1. People in media choose their words quite carefully; the "narrow vote" is a greeat catch on your behalf. As subtle as it may seem, they do have a target audience in mind when they write the article.

    2. Chicago will bury in paperwork, any free man who tries to force the State of Chicago to recognize his rights.

    What a shame... I guess it's a victory, but the SCOTUS will do NOTHING about Chicago refusing to adhere to the decision.

    NS


    Sorry for the repeat -- posted this in another thread in General Discussion. Apparently Mayor Daley already had plans to follow DC's lead and make handgun ownership as difficult as possible. These folks don't give up power easily, and consider the Constitution only an inconvenience.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/28/john-lott-supreme-court-guns-ban-washington-chicago-daley-kagan-sotomayor/#content
  • rawhide54rawhide54 Member Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK, I'm prepared to be bashed for this but here goes.

    If for no other reason, we need to thank George W. Bush for nominating first-rate conservative justices. Were it not for his appointments, we'd have lost this one.
  • 7.62x39Lover7.62x39Lover Member Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Truth is stranger than fiction. I can't believe that after about 250 years of "Constitutional living" is when the Supreme Court comes to the realization that the Bill of Rights applies to all levels of government. That is written in the Constitution!
  • 45long45long Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just remember that next time kagen will be in there. The next time this subject goes to the supremes, I doubt it will go in our favor. Add to that. The statement that yes, it's an individual right, but with so called "constitutional" reasonable restrictions. I just re-read the 2nd and I didn't see anything about resonable restrictions.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Another example of the disconnect with constitutional understanding here in 'new america'...

    An absolute prohibition on government from infringing upon a citizens fundamental right to keep and bear arms is perverted openly to now supposedly mean that government can indeed infringe 'reasonably' upon what is absolutely prohibited.

    This is hailed as a great victory for individual liberty and the champagne corks are heard popping all around the nation.

    Excuse me whilst I go sit in a quiet place and contemplate how truly horrendous these dirt-simple facts are and what they portend for the future, then i'll go puke over the result.
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,724 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I DON"T TRUST THEM
  • 7.62x39Lover7.62x39Lover Member Posts: 3,939 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lt496
    Another example of the disconnect with constitutional understanding here in 'new america'...

    An absolute prohibition on government from infringing upon a citizens fundamental right to keep and bear arms is perverted openly to now supposedly mean that government can indeed infringe 'reasonably' upon what is absolutely prohibited.

    This is hailed as a great victory for individual liberty and the champagne corks are heard popping all around the nation.

    Excuse me whilst I go sit in a quiet place and contemplate how truly horrendous these dirt-simple facts are and what they portend for the future, then i'll go puke over the result.


    +1,000,000,000
  • CA sucksCA sucks Member Posts: 4,310
    edited November -1
    News media is making statements that Heller allows Assault weapons to be banned as "reasonable regulations".

    Assault weapons are the crux of the 2nd amendment - the equipment of the solider.
    The regulations of the militia act of 1792 were that adult male citizens would have muskets or rifles capable of firing the standard size lead balle used by army regulars- ie mandating that citizens had the weaponry equivalent to that or a regular soldier.

    The common soldier carries an assault rifle, and thus a well regulated militia should have assault rifles that use the same ammunition as that used by our soldiers - perhaps even assault weapons that can use the same magazine as well, and maybe even a compatible mounting rail.
    Those are the type of regulations from the year after the 2nd was written.
    Regulations stating what you had to have, not what you could not have.

    5-4 utterly disgusting.
    If something happens to any one of those 5, and it turns into 4-5 it is time for bloodshed.

    The fate of the lives of many hinges on the fate of those 5.

    Even among those 5 are statements that I find deeply disturbing, but they are the closest thing we've got to a friend.... but then again, perhaps I should borrow a though from Marcus Garvey.
    quote:I regard the Klan, the Anglo-Saxon clubs and White American societies, as far as the Negro is concerned, as better friends of the race than all other groups of hypocritical whites put together. I like honesty and fair play.

    Perhaps we should "regard Stephen Breyer, John Paul Stevens, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and David Souter, as far as gun rights are concerned, as better friends of gun owners than all other groups of equivicating politicians put together. I like honesty and fair play."

    What is the bigger threat? the ones that openly declare themselves oppossed to you, or the ones that pretend to be on your side and stab you in the back?
    It wasn't the NVA that was the problem in Vietnam, it was the VC.
    It wasn't Saddam's military that was the problem, its the insurgents that pose as peaceful civilians.

    I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years, there isn't major civil unrest and fighting against the government.
  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,204 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Once this new bird gets in there goes the vote the other way.
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