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US court reasserts Americans' right to bear arms
NOSLEEP
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This should bring a smile to your face.[:)]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7859576/US-court-reasserts-Americans-right-to-bear-arms.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7859576/US-court-reasserts-Americans-right-to-bear-arms.html
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Two years ago the court struck down the Washington DC ban on handguns...How many new handgun owners are there in DC today?
Dick Heller of Heller vs. DC fame was even denied a gun permit. Pointless law, all Chicago will do is require you to get a permit and they won't issue them to anyone.[xx(]
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
Two years ago the court struck down the Washington DC ban on handguns...How many new handgun owners are there in DC today?
Dick Heller of Heller vs. DC fame was even denied a gun permit. Pointless law, all Chicago will do is require you to get a permit and they won't issue them to anyone.[xx(]
Exactly right; you are not easily fooled! In reality this will simply be another legal exercise that proves a dead end for gun ownership. Folks were slapping each other on the backs two years ago and there are no more guns in DC today then the day before the ban was "overturned". It will however provide a nice vehicle for a certain large National organization to proclaim to it's members: "Look what we did, we got the ban overturned". The reality of course is that overturning any gun laws which do not directly increase the ability of law abiding Americans to own firearms is no real victory.
Bullsnit. The Highest court in the land is incapable of reaching a coherent decision concerning four words that are clear and unambiguous to all but a socialist or Fascist determined to destroy the Republic.
The ' Courts of last resort' have proven to be just that..the last resort of any hope to resolve the problem ...without resorting to the final method of the Founders.
I fully expect a wave of gun control the likes of which Americans have never seen..what we endure today will be as childs' play compared to what is coming.
I hope I am truly wrong.......
What you put up with : you deserve !
I remember one forum member who talked about the California weather being worth the price of lost freedoms .
The only way these things can be stopped is through economic force .
Move from New York ,Chicago ,California ..
If you do not live there : boycot the state and it's businesses .
Money is power !!
Oh, ya.
The Court did NO SUCH THING...the entire subject line is false.
One step forward three steps back. Its a battle, one worth fighting for. It would be an easy process if only gun owners would battle all on the same side of the fence...
Good luck with that !![;)]
It makes them nervous to have Americans freely discuss Freedom and Liberty in any other context then government controls on every facet of American life.
You'd think they'd notice that we want to discuss it over here.
You can only discuss what they think you should discuss.
quote:While the ruling prevents outright bans, Justice Samuel Alito said the constitutional guarantee does not eliminate the ability of states and cities "to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values".
I'm afraid the finding is similar to the D. C. case. States and cities can't outlaw guns except when they want to.
If I don't feel in danger, then no need to carry, or at least no need to engage. same/same
This should bring a smile to your face.[:)]
It's the 4 votes that don't...
Two years ago the court struck down the Washington DC ban on handguns...How many new handgun owners are there in DC today?
Would you be happier if they had ruled otherwise? Some people you just can't make happy.
Junior Member
Yeah, I would be happier if they had allowed the bans. The people of America NEED to be kicked while they are down.
Would you be happier if they had ruled otherwise?
Yeah buddy. It could have been worse, but not by much.
President Andrew Jackson wanted the Cherokee Indians run out of Georgia, the Cherokees appealed to the US Supreme Court, and won!
Andrew Jackson replied, "John Marshall [Chief Justice] has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"
The Supreme Court was ignored and the Cherokees were run out of Georgia.
An absolute prohibition on government from infringing upon a citizens fundamental right to keep and bear arms is perverted openly to now supposedly mean that government can indeed infringe 'reasonably' upon what is absolutely prohibited.
This is hailed as a great victory for individual liberty and the champagne corks are heard popping all around the nation.
Excuse me whilst I go sit in a quiet place and contemplate how truly horrendous these dirt-simple facts are and what they portend for the future, then i'll go puke over the result.
I just love it when the supreme court pisses off Highball.
No, you just love it when your preferred brand of government tyranny holds sway.
These two cases SHOULD be extremely revealing to those that INSIST that the 'proper response' to injustice is to take it to Court.
Bullsnit. The Highest court in the land is incapable of reaching a coherent decision concerning four words that are clear and unambiguous to all but a socialist or Fascist determined to destroy the Republic.
The ' Courts of last resort' have proven to be just that..the last resort of any hope to resolve the problem ...without resorting to the final method of the Founders.
I fully expect a wave of gun control the likes of which Americans have never seen..what we endure today will be as childs' play compared to what is coming.
I hope I am truly wrong.......
Highball
Can you please elaborate as to your prediction for the future.
What do you think we will experience and have to deal with in the next 24-48 months ???????
I know it is an opinion, and I have my own thought, but I am just wondering where you think it will go....(I am nursing a cocktail as I write this so it might be a little shaky)....
However, I think that politicians all across this country will look at the supremes decision, and move to fill the gap. Gun laws just short of total bans...just so very difficult to buy a weapon most will not.
They will point to the decision today as validation for their actions...
It will make it difficult for we the few that support a Republic...There may well be men dying on their doorsteps within the next year.
Incremental as usual, don't upset the citizens too much, lest they feel obligated to act.
Two years ago the court struck down the Washington DC ban on handguns...How many new handgun owners are there in DC today?
quote:Applicants have to take a 20-question test on the District's gun laws and regulations. There is a five-hour class, including at least one hour at a gun range, although the city doesn't have a public one. Buyers are required to find trainers from a list approved by police. There is a vision exam, and once the process is complete, the gun must be taken back to the police to be fired for a ballistic identification.
The registration expires after three years and must be renewed. If it lapses, the police can seize the gun, and for a first offense, the owner could be jailed for up to one year and fined $1,000.
The law designates certain guns as assault weapons that can't be bought in the city. It limits the size of the ammunition-feeding devices to no more than 10 bullets. Many common semi-automatic pistols can hold more than that.
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quote:Originally posted by mark christian
Two years ago the court struck down the Washington DC ban on handguns...How many new handgun owners are there in DC today?
quote:Applicants have to take a 20-question test on the District's gun laws and regulations. There is a five-hour class, including at least one hour at a gun range, although the city doesn't have a public one. Buyers are required to find trainers from a list approved by police. There is a vision exam, and once the process is complete, the gun must be taken back to the police to be fired for a ballistic identification.
The registration expires after three years and must be renewed. If it lapses, the police can seize the gun, and for a first offense, the owner could be jailed for up to one year and fined $1,000.
The law designates certain guns as assault weapons that can't be bought in the city. It limits the size of the ammunition-feeding devices to no more than 10 bullets. Many common semi-automatic pistols can hold more than that.
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Someone please attempt to defend these regulations as not an infringement. Please be that frikkin stupid.
Many more people are killed by poorly trained and negligent drivers each year than killed by guns. Yet any pissant can get a DL with little effort or cost.
C'mon, you reasonable restriction guys get in here and defend this BS.
Gotta say, glad there are Canary * to oppose you candy *.
This kinda crap is not meant to qualify gun owners, it is meant to discourage gun owners.
Someone please attempt to defend these regulations as not an infringement. Please be that frikkin stupid.
That would accomplish only one thing: once again show their true colors, which is unnecessary since they've been flaunting them all along.
I don't see a problem with it either, some people were born to be independent, and some were born to be peons. There ain't much to argue about, and when push comes to shove, peons will be nowhere to be found, so, they aren't much of a problem either way. Let'em yap. [:X]
Two years ago the court struck down the Washington DC ban on handguns...How many new handgun owners are there in DC today?
Around 800... about 1.5 people per 1,000
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I wonder how many are retired cops, politicians, etc
Would you be happier if they had ruled otherwise? Some people you just can't make happy.
I believe I would be happier.
Status quo today:
Cities and States make gun laws that restrict and ban guns as they see fit.
After McDonald:
Cities and States make gun laws that restrict and ban guns as they see fit.
Net result? Nothing, but a huge number of gun rights supporters are pacified and now believe that their guns is safe.
Remember, ikeda, had the decision gone the other way, there would have been no requirement for your State or your City to implement restrictions. This decision granted your State and your City the Constitutional power to do so if and when they want.
IMO, there is little to no difference in this decision or one that came down against McDonald. Incorporating through Due Process empowers the State and local government in much the same way.
Again, it is extremely important to point out that CATO and the 2nd Amendment Foundation were, through Gura, pursuing this through Privileges and Immunities. That approach was shot down by Alito with the full support and backing of the NRA. That approach would have been a success for 2nd Amendment rights. This one was a big loss.
Brad Steele
Not to get off topic but,,,, Anybody plan to list thier guns on the new tax form next year?? Not this guy. [:(!]