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quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Freedomfighter, I believe the cheese done slipped off yer cracker!
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
It is so broke, that you've lost the pieces. You probably don't even know how Title 42, Chapter 21, ?1988 is being used to remove Constitutional rights since Wilson V Garcia.
Why didn't you identify the missing victor that forced the signing of the Magna Carta peace treaty? Why didn't you explain why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument?
Are you trying to say food jokes and ridicule attempts are better than secrets? Brother, lets keep our guns AND our Constitution by not being afraid to engage each other in agreement that is appropriate for the day and update the social contract JUST as Jefferson envisioned it happenning, but every 20 years
quote:WHy you would leave a tool like mental illness in the hands of the gun controllers to use to compromise your COnstitutional right, I'd like to know.
I mean drug dealers and gangsters have a basic mental problem that probably can be treated, but Noooooooooo, you let them run amok so the gun takers can take our guns. What nonsense.
How about the wakjob conspiracy nut with a pistol. You let them go off and make a giant media sensation that immediately turns into serious talk about cun control?????? WTH????
Then you appear afraid to amend our constitution. Like you can't understand that: forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a good thing.
Dude, are you sure you are here to protect gun rights?Factually, what you advocate is nonsensical and contrary to the text of our enumerated fundamental rights.
Nice babble though.
As for drug dealers and gang members or the mentally ill, "I" don't let them run amok, government does.
Here is a simple concept for you to attempt to wrap your 'healthy mind' around...
Individuals who commit a specific 'bad-act' are to be sanctioned/punished individually for that specific 'bad-act'.
Wrap your 'healthy mind' around that, then refocus your energy and effort in engendering THAT change, rather than psycho-babble which has the direct effect of further eroding, diluting or outright abrogating any of our constitutionally enumerated, fundamental liberty.
The only whack-job conspiracy nut I see is YOU.
YOU are advocating lunatic-esque changes in our Constitution. YOU are fixated on the Magna Carta which is a non-issue as it related to our already codified Constitution.
Not only do liberty advocates and constitutionalists, like me, have to stand guard against collectivists from the right, center and left who attempt to restrict fundamental individual liberties, but now, I see YOU pop up, babbling about Magna Carta secrets and Egyptian alignments of the Washington Monument and secret jedi-mind tricks... quote:If this is not true, then you will reveal the secret of who compelled the signers of the Magna Carta and how they did it. Then you will explain why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument.Take a step back and look at what you write...dude.
You propose what are, frankly, stupid revisions to Amendment II, as in... quote:REV. Amendment II
A well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms in their homes, shall not be infringed in the absense of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles and defense of this Constitution.You are a fruit-loop, simply put and IMO.
Look at what YOU wrote...dude.
'Shall not be infringed' is changed to 'can be infringed' and you go on to attempt to tie your ridiculous nonsensical jabber to the founding principles and the Constitution.
Unbelievable.
As for my being afraid to amend the Constitution...if it needs amendment, I would be first in line.
I must point out, however, that the deadly and clear danger of a con-con and of amending the Constitution is exemplified BY THOSE LIKE YOU and the STUPID ideas, off-kilter desires and liberty destroying filth that dribbles out of your strange mind.
I rarely label someone in such a manner, but the clown-shoe fits you, perfectly.
quote:REV. Amendment II
A well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms in their homes, shall not be infringed in the absense of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles and defense of this Constitution.
This has got to be one of the most assinine things I have ever laid eyes on. Under NO circumstances would I ever support that. "....shall not be infringed.".....read it.....know it....believe in it....
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
It's a lot bigger than 'astroturfing'. Typically the gov comes out and admits they were thinking about what they were actually doing for years, just to regain some impresson of transparency.
I have personally seen MASSIVE infiltrations into every arena of American activism. It is disgusting and completely un American, unconstitutional and un acceptable.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf there is indeed the secret control of which you write, the best way to ensure its continuance is to grant a current co-conspirator the power to see to it that such control is stopped.
Just by exposure it is stopped. No need to grant anything and the revised amendments do not do that.
Only if the infiltration is performed by Government could it be unconstitutional. Your suggestion, however, that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' would make it Constitutional, and is (regardless of your protestations of denial) a granting of power to Congress that is not currently possessed.
I simply cannot get on board with the premise that charging Congress with limiting the speech of some in order to supposedly protect it for others is a good idea. I am sure that I will not like what some will do following the 'Citizens United Decision', for example, but what I do with it is my responsibility, not that of Congress. The correct decision was made.
All the best.
Don
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
It's a lot bigger than 'astroturfing'. Typically the gov comes out and admits they were thinking about what they were actually doing for years, just to regain some impresson of transparency.
I have personally seen MASSIVE infiltrations into every arena of American activism. It is disgusting and completely un American, unconstitutional and un acceptable.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf there is indeed the secret control of which you write, the best way to ensure its continuance is to grant a current co-conspirator the power to see to it that such control is stopped.
Just by exposure it is stopped. No need to grant anything and the revised amendments do not do that.
Only if the infiltration is performed by Government could it be unconstitutional. Your suggestion, however, that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' would make it Constitutional, and is (regardless of your protestations of denial) a granting of power to Congress that is not currently possessed.
I simply cannot get on board with the premise that charging Congress with limiting the speech of some in order to supposedly protect it for others is a good idea. I am sure that I will not like what some will do following the 'Citizens United Decision', for example, but what I do with it is my responsibility, not that of Congress. The correct decision was made.
All the best.
Don
I see your point Don, and technically your are correct.
I cannot see that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' is really very different than "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech," because in both cases congress must obey he same critria whether they are acting themselves or limiting the action of another entity. In this case corporations that currently have status that is not constitutional from the beginning.
Either our congress knows what is constitutional and what is not relating to its own behaviors AND those that are empowered under law, while being able to control the behaviors of both, or it does not know and does not act to support and defend the constitution.
Can we imagine one person abridging free speech. No way. Can we imagine corporations colluding and executing a campaign to do so? Absolutely, and they have. The "astroturfing" issue shows that.
That link in the last post is about the infiltration that government secretly did.
I am absolutely certain such infiltrations have been happening since 2004 in a large way.
You will notice in the revised amendments that here is a "check and balance" created in the peoples rights that use the 1st amendment to provide constitutional correction by the people. A lot has changed in 200 years, and our social contract needs to be kept current.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:WHy you would leave a tool like mental illness in the hands of the gun controllers to use to compromise your COnstitutional right, I'd like to know.
I mean drug dealers and gangsters have a basic mental problem that probably can be treated, but Noooooooooo, you let them run amok so the gun takers can take our guns. What nonsense.
How about the wakjob conspiracy nut with a pistol. You let them go off and make a giant media sensation that immediately turns into serious talk about cun control?????? WTH????
Then you appear afraid to amend our constitution. Like you can't understand that: forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a good thing.
Dude, are you sure you are here to protect gun rights?Factually, what you advocate is nonsensical and contrary to the text of our enumerated fundamental rights.
Nice babble though.
As for drug dealers and gang members or the mentally ill, "I" don't let them run amok, government does.
*Edit...spelling
Correct, and it is our duty to stop government from doing that. You appear to be against us honing our tools.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:REV. Amendment II
A well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms in their homes, shall not be infringed in the absense of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles and defense of this Constitution.
This has got to be one of the most assinine things I have ever laid eyes on. Under NO circumstances would I ever support that. "....shall not be infringed.".....read it.....know it....believe in it....
Enforce it in any way possible.
Why didn't you explain why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument. Your ommission shows your fear of secrecy. Your position shows your alliance with un constitutional ridicule, or attempts at it.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
You are a fruit-loop, simply put and IMO.
Look at what YOU wrote...dude.
'Shall not be infringed' is changed to 'can be infringed' and you go on to attempt to tie your ridiculous nonsensical jabber to the founding principles and the Constitution.
Unbelievable.
As for my being afraid to amend the Constitution...if it needs amendment, I would be first in line.
I must point out, however, that the deadly and clear danger of a con-con and of amending the Constitution is exemplified BY THOSE LIKE YOU and the STUPID ideas, off-kilter desires and liberty destroying filth that dribbles out of your strange mind.
I rarely label someone in such a manner, but the clown-shoe fits you, perfectly.
Just so you know. It is what it is.
Unbelievable.
*Edit...spelling
Agreed.[^]
But after giving the example laid out for all of us some thought, and considering the fact that it is human nature, especially if you are liberal, to "project", I am starting to understand why this poster would include such strange wording as all of this mental health gibberish. He must be afraid....... of himself most specifically. Apparently, if he truly believes in muddling up 2A this much, he has good reason to want "menatl health" wording.
I think he means to recuse himself from the protection of his new fangled 2nd amendment. He has...... issues. Projection.
edited to remove unnecessary posting, and to say that I wholeheartedly vote to stick with 2A as-is of course, and to use it as intended when the time comes.[^]
In the mean time I accept the dangers and responsibilities that come with freedom. I just wish the government would let me, as we already are far from the true 2A.[V]
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
I see your point Don, and technically your are correct.
I cannot see that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' is really very different than "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech," because in both cases congress must obey he same critria whether they are acting themselves or limiting the action of another entity. In this case corporations that currently have status that is not constitutional from the beginning.
The difference is not technical, freedomfighter, it is fundamental. Currently the 1st Amendment limits Government and only Government from abridging the freedom of speech, etc. Your suggested change (Congress shall see that nothing abridges...) mandates that it ensures that private entities and citizens do not abridge free speech, etc. As private entities and citizens have no enforcement tools, they cannot abridge these freedoms.
Private entities and citizens can and will make statements and flood the media with information that is self-serving, but these actions in no way threaten the freedom of speech of anyone else. Broadcasters and publishers can control what is presented in the programming and publishings, but this also limits the freedom of speech of no-one.
quote:
Either our congress knows what is constitutional and what is not relating to its own behaviors AND those that are empowered under law, while being able to control the behaviors of both, or it does not know and does not act to support and defend the constitution.
Can we imagine one person abridging free speech. No way. Can we imagine corporations colluding and executing a campaign to do so? Absolutely, and they have. The "astroturfing" issue shows that.
Sorry, I guess I got ahead of myself.[:)]
Astroturfing shows nothing of the sort. There is no sensible argument that can make the case that astroturfing abridges any-one's freedom of speech. By definition it creates a falsified movement, and misleads people who allow themselves to be mislead. It does not however, restrict the freedoms of any of these people. Empowering Congress to squelch that which they view as wrong, however, does not address the actual problem, which is rooted in the willingness of people to be mislead.
I will never be convinced that limiting the freedoms of others can in any way preserve or protect my own, but this is in a nutshell, what you advocate.
quote:
That link in the last post is about the infiltration that government secretly did.
I am absolutely certain such infiltrations have been happening since 2004 in a large way.
You will notice in the revised amendments that here is a "check and balance" created in the peoples rights that use the 1st amendment to provide constitutional correction by the people. A lot has changed in 200 years, and our social contract needs to be kept current.
I am also certain that government infiltrations occur in arenas where the Constitutionality of it is questionable. The check and balance you mention already exists through our court system, which from a practical standpoint is the mechanism that would be used to redress grievances and defend the Constitution in your re-do.
Of the changes that have occurred over the past 200 years, the greatest, IMO, is the size, influence and intrusion of the Federal Government upon the private sector. These modifications you suggest can do nothing but encourage more of the same.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
quote:Originally posted by lt496
You are a fruit-loop, simply put and IMO.
Look at what YOU wrote...dude.
'Shall not be infringed' is changed to 'can be infringed' and you go on to attempt to tie your ridiculous nonsensical jabber to the founding principles and the Constitution.
Unbelievable.
As for my being afraid to amend the Constitution...if it needs amendment, I would be first in line.
I must point out, however, that the deadly and clear danger of a con-con and of amending the Constitution is exemplified BY THOSE LIKE YOU and the STUPID ideas, off-kilter desires and liberty destroying filth that dribbles out of your strange mind.
I rarely label someone in such a manner, but the clown-shoe fits you, perfectly.
Just so you know. It is what it is.
Unbelievable.
*Edit...spelling
Agreed.[^]
But after giving the example laid out for all of us some thought, and considering the fact that it is human nature, especially if you are liberal, to "project", I am starting to understand why this poster would include such strange wording as all of this mental health gibberish. He must be afraid....... of himself most specifically. Apparently, if he truly believes in muddling up 2A this much, he has good reason to want "menatl health" wording.
I think he means to recuse himself from the protection of his new fangled 2nd amendment. He has...... issues. Projection.
edited to remove unnecessary posting, and to say that I wholeheartedly vote to stick with 2A as-is of course, and to use it as intended when the time comes.[^]
In the mean time I accept the dangers and responsibilities that come with freedom. I just wish the government would let me, as we already are far from the true 2A.[V]
It appears you are as afraid to amend as lt496, and as unwilling to communicate to fellow Americans the underlying principles in the spirit of enforcement. Or as afraid to recognize that stuff written 200 years NEEDS amendment, particularly IF it cannot be enforced, . . . and you provided NO WAY TO ENFORCE the 2nd, oops, it looks like your gun don't mean that much to you after all.
Guess what? They are going to take your gun if you cannot address the authority they operate under.
Well, I am unafraid of my fellow Americans ability to understand and apply the principles of this nation to constitutional amendment.
I'm not going to read all the previous comments on this, but I do want to say this:
Assuming you are even remotely serious, I have likely never read a bigger pile of horse hockey than this. It is quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have seen a person put into writing on the internet, and I've been reading postings made onto the web for a very long time.
I actually laughed out loud when I read this part:
"keep and bear arms in their homes"
What the sam-hill are you trying to prove here?
I will say this much, you're making a lot of people look like geniuses by throwing the curve so low. The bell curve has mean-shifted because of you.
Carry on.
edit to add: if you're joking, keep your day job.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
I see your point Don, and technically your are correct.
I cannot see that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' is really very different than "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech," because in both cases congress must obey he same critria whether they are acting themselves or limiting the action of another entity. In this case corporations that currently have status that is not constitutional from the beginning.
The difference is not technical, freedomfighter, it is fundamental. Currently the 1st Amendment limits Government and only Government from abridging the freedom of speech, etc. Your suggested change (Congress shall see that nothing abridges...) mandates that it ensures that private entities and citizens do not abridge free speech, etc. As private entities and citizens have no enforcement tools, they cannot abridge these freedoms.
Private entities and citizens can and will make statements and flood the media with information that is self-serving, but these actions in no way threaten the freedom of speech of anyone else. Broadcasters and publishers can control what is presented in the programming and publishings, but this also limits the freedom of speech of no-one.
quote:
Either our congress knows what is constitutional and what is not relating to its own behaviors AND those that are empowered under law, while being able to control the behaviors of both, or it does not know and does not act to support and defend the constitution.
Can we imagine one person abridging free speech. No way. Can we imagine corporations colluding and executing a campaign to do so? Absolutely, and they have. The "astroturfing" issue shows that.
Sorry, I guess I got ahead of myself.[:)]
Astroturfing shows nothing of the sort. There is no sensible argument that can make the case that astroturfing abridges any-one's freedom of speech. By definition it creates a falsified movement, and misleads people who allow themselves to be mislead. It does not however, restrict the freedoms of any of these people. Empowering Congress to squelch that which they view as wrong, however, does not address the actual problem, which is rooted in the willingness of people to be mislead.
I will never be convinced that limiting the freedoms of others can in any way preserve or protect my own, but this is in a nutshell, what you advocate.
Again I see your points, and again they are correct within what address.
What they don't address is that corporations, individuals and government are colluding in a fashion that pretty much completely abridges free speech. You don't know that because you haven't tried to share knowledge the infiltration opposes.
All of this is happening within an environment of secrecy that keeps people from knowing why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument. The people are not willing to be mislead. They were mislead to not know the difference, and it took almost 100 years. Granpa might have tried to tell the grandkids, but the cartoons on TV were too loud and attractive and ma/pa were busy working or recovering from a hangover. Norman Dodd explained how it started.
What was removed that was most important were clues as to HOW the secret infiltration of government was to take place. Therefor no one here has a clue as to why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusquote:
That link in the last post is about the infiltration that government secretly did.
I am absolutely certain such infiltrations have been happening since 2004 in a large way.
You will notice in the revised amendments that here is a "check and balance" created in the peoples rights that use the 1st amendment to provide constitutional correction by the people. A lot has changed in 200 years, and our social contract needs to be kept current.
I am also certain that government infiltrations occur in arenas where the Constitutionality of it is questionable. The check and balance you mention already exists through our court system,
Nope, the courts (some judges) are actually leaders in the infiltrations. They act as a shield. Have you filed any civil rights lawsuits lately? Do you know how Title 42, Chapter 21, ?1988 is being used since the supreme court decision in Wilson V Garcia? Well I do and we do not have constitutional courts.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
which from a practical standpoint is the mechanism that would be used to redress grievances and defend the Constitution in your re-do.
Of the changes that have occurred over the past 200 years, the greatest, IMO, is the size, influence and intrusion of the Federal Government upon the private sector. These modifications you suggest can do nothing but encourage more of the same.
Not in the environment where the basic secret is exposed. It changes the whole world and our perceptions of the past.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I'm not going to read all the previous comments on this, but I do want to say this:
Assuming you are even remotely serious, I have likely never read a bigger pile of horse hockey than this. It is quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have seen a person put into writing on the internet, and I've been reading postings made onto the web for a very long time.
I actually laughed out loud when I read this part:
"keep and bear arms in their homes"
What the sam-hill are you trying to prove here?
I will say this much, you're making a lot of people look like geniuses by throwing the curve so low. The bell curve has mean-shifted because of you.
Carry on.
edit to add: if you're joking, keep your day job.
Ha, you know what? That is a good point. That is why the revisions are drafts and that is why I'm posting here. Thanks! I'm changing it.
Nope, the courts (some judges) are actually leaders in the infiltrations. They act as a shield. Have you filed any civil rights lawsuits lately? Do you know how Title 42, Chapter 21, ?1988 is being used since the supreme court decision in Wilson V Garcia? Well I do and we do not have constitutional courts.
This is basically my point. The enforcement mechanism that would have to be used by your 'new' check and balance already exists, and has proven to be less than effective. Nothing in your proposed modification will change this.
quote:
Not in the environment where the basic secret is exposed. It changes the whole world and our perceptions of the past.
I have to get off this boat, now freedomfighter. I had at first thought your reference to the Washington Monument as an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' was presented as a joke. If it is a joke, I don't get it, and if it is not a joke, I believe I am beginning to understand why you feel your freedom of speech has been abridged at some point in your life.
I would wish you good luck in your pursuits, but I see your goals as damaging to the fabric of our society, so I will not.
All the best (the greater meaning, of course)
Don
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
This is basically my point. The enforcement mechanism that would have to be used by your 'new' check and balance already exists, and has proven to be less than effective. Nothing in your proposed modification will change this.
Don
Don, I suspect if he was serious, and then capable of comrehension, this thread would not exist based on the point you just made. If anything his "suggestions" make it far more unlikely that enforcement could happen. This is one strange bird if serious. Pegged the BS meter otherwise.
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
Nope, the courts (some judges) are actually leaders in the infiltrations. They act as a shield. Have you filed any civil rights lawsuits lately? Do you know how Title 42, Chapter 21, ?1988 is being used since the supreme court decision in Wilson V Garcia? Well I do and we do not have constitutional courts.
This is basically my point. The enforcement mechanism that would have to be used by your 'new' check and balance already exists, and has proven to be less than effective. Nothing in your proposed modification will change this.
quote:
Not in the environment where the basic secret is exposed. It changes the whole world and our perceptions of the past.
The missing knowledge returned through equal protecion of law restored and free speech made meaningful is what would change. That is just h peoples capacity to control their government. The revised amendments will create restructured laws which will stop the deterioration of constitutional, lawful government.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusI have to get off this boat, now freedomfighter. I had at first thought your reference to the Washington Monument as an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' was presented as a joke. If it is a joke, I don't get it, and if it is not a joke, I believe I am beginning to understand why you feel your freedom of speech has been abridged at some point in your life.
I would wish you good luck in your pursuits, but I see your goals as damaging to the fabric of our society, so I will not.
All the best (the greater meaning, of course)
Don
Thank you Don!
It's not a joke tho. The fact you don't know why the first presidents national monument is an Oblisk (or what those are for) signifies the degree of dumbing down that has happened. You are very knowledgable and should know that in a normal world. That knowledge would make you much more effective at what you would like to do with what you know.
My point is this. For the same reason you don't know about the Oblisk, the secrecy I've mentioned has hijacked the government and you don't know it is hijacked.
There is no free speech on .com. Deprivals of equal protection of law by judges and government deprive me of what I need to make what I say have meaning. They did what they did to keep the secret you don't know, enabling the destruction of the Constitution.
Our society is destroying itself, a few others and most of the environment with it so I doubt I can do any harm. It might have existed as we dream it for a decade or so, but soon overtaken in the ignorance/fear created with the dumbing down I've documented by referring to Norman Dodd. I can back with facts that our society is destroying itself, but they are off topic and only useful for protecting gun rights IF you stand under all conditions in support and defense of the the Constitution.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
fighter, how will your changes enforce the constitution? I don't think you will have much luck with support for the con-con. Those citizens who would participate will see that what you propose is not the solution and could lead to worse situation. What you propose is dangerous, uneccesary and likely to be subverted.
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
So who did force the king and barons to sign?
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
And now will you explain to me how an 'Oblisk' affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments?
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
quote:Originally posted by buffaloboWhat you propose is dangerous, uneccesary and likely to be subverted. Those citizens who would participate will see that what you propose is not the solution and could lead to worse situation.
That fear mongering serves the infiltrators and deprives us of formally examining our principles as a nation, seeing that our constitution serves the principles.
quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
fighter, how will your changes enforce the constitution? I don't think you will have much luck with support for the con-con.
Perhaps the environment of a convention is not understood. The existing federal government simply calls for it and then recognizes its authority to present the states interests through amendments. The fed has nothing to do with the creation or ratification of amendments. Ratification may be done by 38 states with 34 required to invoke the duty of congress to call a convention.
The laws are made under the constitution. Some will be changed those changes will drastically effect situations and effect a full and repsected return of civil rights and lawful government.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogSo who did force the king and barons to sign?
The Free Men did. Their story is removed from history because they were heretics. They are mentioned in the Magna Carta because they wouldn't stop killing the elites knights and soldiers unless they were at least mentioned.
They shut down the forest roads and burned baronages driving the barons into stone fortifications. The closest thing to their story in history is "Robinhood". It was a story written to appease the aging Chieftans who fought for freedom only to find that no one knew how it was won 15 years later. The earliest version we have is perhaps the 5th version. Slowly the truth of the heresy and military victories was removed and we have the fantasy tale you now know.
quote:And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogAnd now will you explain to me how an 'Oblisk' affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments?
I never said it did. Do you want to know what it means relating to the infiltrators who are working to take your gun?
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogNow . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
My last post explains how the 2nd amendment right of keeping and bearing arms is protected, dynamically. If the congress refuses to call a convention, obviously unified with the infiltration, either criminal neglect, malfeasance or treason is shown and it is shown in conspiracy. The states can choose to enforce federal law in that situation.
Ever wonder why a representative has to live in the territory of their Constituency?
Perhaps much is actually understood about the Constitution and the mechanics of a con-con by those who are engaged with you on this thread...
Perhaps there is a 'common denominator' here who has proposed ridiculous and abrogating changes to Amendment I and Amendment II...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' continually hints at some 'secret' knowledge and infers that he has a 'special grasp' on matters of the Constitution and how to 'enforce' it...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' fails to see that which is crystal-clear to some of the 'rubes and morons' (my sarcastic characterization) who have engaged him on this thread, that being that his postings read like something written by a disturbed mind.
Perhaps it is crystal-clear to the 'rubes and morons' that the proposed Amendment I change provides power to government that does not now legitimately exist and that the 'common denominator's' proposed change to Amendment II codifies government authority to infringe on that which is now expressly prohibited.
Perhaps...
Of course, if the 'rubes and morons' who are engaged here would only grasp and understand the Magna Carta, who forced its signing and why the 'oblisk' (I expect that you meant to type 'obelisk') that is the Washington Monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument, then their minds would be healthy and what is now seen as ridiculous, rambling and damaging to the text of the BOR and erosive to individual liberty, would swim into focus and all would be clear.
Just for clarity (much needed, it seems) I for one am cognizant of behind the scenes motives and powers at work at the time of our founding, throughout our history and currently continuing.
While we may disagree with what that power is and the ultimate purpose of it, the fact remains that your posts resemble those of a disturbed man, your proposed amendment-changes are opposite to the principles of our founding and would be destructive of the textual limitations on government that currently exist and factually, as I see it, you and your proposals exemplify the hazards of a con-con.
I believe that the method of correction is to understand and stand firm on the Constitution, as is, and to employ nullification and the aggressive and consistent exercise of all out enumerated rights, but with emphasis on aggressive exercise of Amendment IX and Amendment X, via the people and the states.
Barring success at that, 'liberties teeth' will be required to right the wrongs, as was always a potential and which was one of the primary reasons that Amendment II was so enumerated.
That is all and I am done here and with you.
Have a good day and a healthy and happy life, freedomfighter.
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
Thank you Don!
It's not a joke tho. The fact you don't know why the first presidents national monument is an Oblisk (or what those are for) signifies the degree of dumbing down that has happened. You are very knowledgable and should know that in a normal world. That knowledge would make you much more effective at what you would like to do with what you know.
My point is this. For the same reason you don't know about the Oblisk, the secrecy I've mentioned has hijacked the government and you don't know it is hijacked.
There is no free speech on .com. Deprivals of equal protection of law by judges and government deprive me of what I need to make what I say have meaning. They did what they did to keep the secret you don't know, enabling the destruction of the Constitution.
Our society is destroying itself, a few others and most of the environment with it so I doubt I can do any harm. It might have existed as we dream it for a decade or so, but soon overtaken in the ignorance/fear created with the dumbing down I've documented by referring to Norman Dodd. I can back with facts that our society is destroying itself, but they are off topic and only useful for protecting gun rights IF you stand under all conditions in support and defense of the the Constitution.
This 'gotcha' form of discussion you use, freedomfighter is tedious. Please cut to the chase.
If you are simply referring to the evils of Freemasonry, I am bored. If you have come up with a new and improved conspiracy, please enlighten me. Please, though, if you are interested in a response, dispense with the insipid secrecy you employ in your posts and just state what it is that you mean.
On the other hand, I guess I can see where combating secrecy with secrecy dovetails rather nicely with your 'improving freedom through restriction' stance.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
Thank you Don!
It's not a joke tho. The fact you don't know why the first presidents national monument is an Oblisk (or what those are for) signifies the degree of dumbing down that has happened. You are very knowledgable and should know that in a normal world. That knowledge would make you much more effective at what you would like to do with what you know.
My point is this. For the same reason you don't know about the Oblisk, the secrecy I've mentioned has hijacked the government and you don't know it is hijacked.
There is no free speech on .com. Deprivals of equal protection of law by judges and government deprive me of what I need to make what I say have meaning. They did what they did to keep the secret you don't know, enabling the destruction of the Constitution.
Our society is destroying itself, a few others and most of the environment with it so I doubt I can do any harm. It might have existed as we dream it for a decade or so, but soon overtaken in the ignorance/fear created with the dumbing down I've documented by referring to Norman Dodd. I can back with facts that our society is destroying itself, but they are off topic and only useful for protecting gun rights IF you stand under all conditions in support and defense of the the Constitution.
This 'gotcha' form of discussion you use, freedomfighter is tedious. Please cut to the chase.
It's important to realize that I've done that and if you knew more you wouldn't say that that because know that I'm limiting cognitive dissonance in the mind of the lurker. Even lurkers care about the constitution, they also have a vote and a state and If they are shocked by what they read, they won't continue to learn what they need to in order to realize an Article V convention is our last and only chance to preserve the nation. Notice that none of my detractors here have responded when asked, "How will you enforce the Constitution?"
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf you are simply referring to the evils of Freemasonry, I am bored.
There you go using a label, a cognitive distortion, a generalization, a minimalization. Understanding doesn't work with that. How simple is your mind? Maybe you get the point.
I've mentioned the unconscious mind repeatedly and secrecy. The 2 go together with Masonry and the perception of evil you speak of indicates you don't understand but act as if you do and are bored. Sure, there is some dark, nasty stuff that has taken over the order, but to attempt to generalize that would halfway throw out all that you admire in the constitution, because it was written mostly by Masons.
In fact, they go all the way back to the Magna Carta and far before. Since all but 2 presidents were Masons, and that is not common knowledge, understanding them can make a huge difference in our ability to act.
It is not simple and the mind is not simple.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf you have come up with a new and improved conspiracy, please enlighten me.
The Masonic order was first infiltrated by what you term evil, then through the Order the government was infiltrated. All the un constitutional acts you can list are created by that unconscious control over people influenced by the original conspiracy advanced through American ignorance and indulgence invoked by media dominated by the dark aspects that invaded the Order.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusPlease, though, if you are interested in a response, dispense with the insipid secrecy you employ in your posts and just state what it is that you mean.
On the other hand, I guess I can see where combating secrecy with secrecy dovetails rather nicely with your 'improving freedom through restriction' stance.
I'm not about using secrecy I'm about understanding it. Shocking people with too much truth works against understanding. In the same tone as your last sentence, "Is that what you are trying to get me to do?"
Perhaps much is actually understood about the Constitution and the mechanics of a con-con by those who are engaged with you on this thread...
Perhaps there is a 'common denominator' here who has proposed ridiculous and abrogating changes to Amendment I and Amendment II...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' continually hints at some 'secret' knowledge and infers that he has a 'special grasp' on matters of the Constitution and how to 'enforce' it...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' fails to see that which is crystal-clear to some of the 'rubes and morons' (my sarcastic characterization) who have engaged him on this thread, that being that his postings read like something written by a disturbed mind.
Perhaps it is crystal-clear to the 'rubes and morons' that the proposed Amendment I change provides power to government that does not now legitimately exist and that the
Since you have never commented upon the principles preceding "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness of the proposed amendment revision, "forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love", it is safe to assume you are not interested in any of it and prefer that no one do anything and allow the gun controllers to take our guns. You like things the way they are and have not provided any method of enforcing the 2nd amendment so have nullified your position.
You would have saved the both of us a lot of time by simply being up-front in the beginning.
I had hoped you were bringing something new to the table, but alas you are just re-framing a tired discussion.
John Adams despaired at the dumbing down and malaise of the American population upon his return from the court of St. James in 1788. He, one of a small group of non-masons we count as founders wielded significant influence not only on the Declaration of Independence, but also in his advocacy of implementing the Constitution. His heart, by most accounts, was pure and his influence can obviously still be seen today. The all-seeing eye must have been a little less than all-seeing.
Secret Societies have their place in American Mythology, and there are nuggets of truth in most of these conspiracy theories. There is nothing in your proposed Amendment Changes that allow for the exposure of the truth as you state. Rather, logic tells us that empowering the Congress to regulate the media, corporations and the citizenry can only, IMO, re-enforce the control you fear is exercised currently by these societies.
A little perspective for any who are still interested.
Based on this new information, which has been withheld from the Gentile world, it becomes apparent that the Great Seal of the United States reveals in a symbolic code the quest of the Zionist Jews to return to and conquer the Holy Land which God originally gave them, but which they forfeited through their rejection of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Moreover, the Great Seal reveals that they are using the United States of America and to reestablish the kingdom of Israel from which their Antichrist, a descendant of King Solomon, will rule the world.
It truly is most dire.
All the best,
Don
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
Often, Don, I am shamed by the civility and professionalism that you consistently bring to the table whilst you deliver an intellectual kick in the nut-sack to someone.
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Often, Don, I am shamed by the civility and professionalism that you consistently bring to the table whilst you deliver an intellectual kick in the nut-sack to someone.
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.
But you have no way to enforce the constitution and do not want Americans to unify for amendment, nice. And you present yourself as being here for gun rights?
Uh, consider the gun controllers LOVE you for empowering their strategy of using mental illness as a reason to enact gun control.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Wasn't that easy, freedomfighter?
You would have saved the both of us a lot of time by simply being up-front in the beginning.
I had hoped you were bringing something new to the table, but alas you are just re-framing a tired discussion.
No, explaining factors that show how the infiltration of the US government has achieved. The infiltrators would like people to think that the discussion was "tired". Those cognitive distortions really work against you when you are not working for the higher human purpose of the natural law of the constitution, like the greater meaning of free speech. forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
You would imply that we do not deserve such things while you are praised by lt496 in a collusive fashion using atempts at ridicule after both of you have failed repeatedly to state a method by which to enforce the constitution.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusJohn Adams despaired at the dumbing down and malaise of the American population upon his return from the court of St. James in 1788. He, one of a small group of non-masons we count as founders wielded significant influence not only on the Declaration of Independence, but also in his advocacy of implementing the Constitution. His heart, by most accounts, was pure and his influence can obviously still be seen today. The all-seeing eye must have been a little less than all-seeing.
Secret Societies have their place in American Mythology, and there are nuggets of truth in most of these conspiracy theories. There is nothing in your proposed Amendment Changes that allow for the exposure of the truth as you state.
When people stand for their right to have the best medical care, including mental health care, and having all of their rights intact, they will also be able to understand the unconscious mind which is used by occult factions. Therein is exposed their METHODS of secrecy. Even better in my evaluation.
Can you consider you are being apart of the deprival of appropriate mental health care alleviating tremendous suffering, creating greater safety and protecting gun rights by opposing amendment of the 2nd? Why can't you engage the obvious benefits of the most positive human traits supporting the higher principals of the constitution; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as the greater meaning of free speech proposed in the revised 1st amendment? I mean are you aware of the moral decay children and families are experiencing?
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusThis right here exposes the truth.
[bA well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed in the absence of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles of, and defense of this Constitution.
Which might be exactly why there is no interest in it. The truth is we do not know everything about the mind but you would pretend we do. Basically the truth cannot be stated or heard in a fair forum. People will use cognitive distortions to attempt to minimize it. Labels like "myth".
Don, it is about HYPNOSIS, working directly with the unconscious mind. A mental state called "somnambulism", See the first footnote below the line.
And the fact that hypnotized people deny being hypnotized.
These are facts Don and they are being used to violate the constitution.
The occult factions do that with their children and unconsciously structure their allegiance and interactions. Conspiracies happen to work best that way.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus Rather, logic tells us that empowering the Congress to regulate the media, corporations and the citizenry can only, IMO, re-enforce the control you fear is exercised currently by these societies.
Big distortion there Don. Read again.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall be first accessible for the unity of the people with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; "forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution.
It simply deals with the hijacking of the internet, currently the only real way to bring meaning to free speech that is significant.
DO you remember the usenet Don?[/b]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus A little perspective for any who are still interested.
Based on this new information, which has been withheld from the Gentile world, it becomes apparent that the Great Seal of the United States reveals in a symbolic code the quest of the Zionist Jews to return to and conquer the Holy Land which God originally gave them, but which they forfeited through their rejection of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Moreover, the Great Seal reveals that they are using the United States of America and to reestablish the kingdom of Israel from which their Antichrist, a descendant of King Solomon, will rule the world.
It truly is most dire.
All the best,
Don
I agree, most dire. Accordingly, logically, if that is your true sentiment, you will use facts and evidence reasonably and be accountable.
Interesting how the word "somnambulism" and "hypnosis" don't appear on the page of your link about Masons.
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Often, Don, I am shamed by the civility and professionalism that you consistently bring to the table whilst you deliver an intellectual kick in the nut-sack to someone.
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.
But you have no way to enforce the constitution and do not want Americans to unify for amendment, nice. And you present yourself as being here for gun rights?
Uh, consider the gun controllers LOVE you for empowering their strategy of using mental illness as a reason to enact gun control.
The purpose of your ridicule is exposed.
No, but the purpose of your proposal is ridiculous.
As it stands now, they have to ignore the law of the land to push the agenda. You would just freely give them that authority. Fool. Go peddle your poo at democrat underground. You should receive a warm welcome there.
P.S. The enforcement tool exists. The problem is the lack of will by you, me, and every other useless American to do it. Your way is the opposite of what you claim. I would ask what you have to gain by such idiotic efforts, but frankly I don't care. Just go away.
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Freedomfighter, I believe the cheese done slipped off yer cracker!
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
It is so broke, that you've lost the pieces. You probably don't even know how Title 42, Chapter 21, ?1988 is being used to remove Constitutional rights since Wilson V Garcia.
Why didn't you identify the missing victor that forced the signing of the Magna Carta peace treaty? Why didn't you explain why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument?
Are you trying to say food jokes and ridicule attempts are better than secrets? Brother, lets keep our guns AND our Constitution by not being afraid to engage each other in agreement that is appropriate for the day and update the social contract JUST as Jefferson envisioned it happenning, but every 20 years
I mean drug dealers and gangsters have a basic mental problem that probably can be treated, but Noooooooooo, you let them run amok so the gun takers can take our guns. What nonsense.
How about the wakjob conspiracy nut with a pistol. You let them go off and make a giant media sensation that immediately turns into serious talk about cun control?????? WTH????
Then you appear afraid to amend our constitution. Like you can't understand that: forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a good thing.
Dude, are you sure you are here to protect gun rights?Factually, what you advocate is nonsensical and contrary to the text of our enumerated fundamental rights.
Nice babble though.
As for drug dealers and gang members or the mentally ill, "I" don't let them run amok, government does.
Here is a simple concept for you to attempt to wrap your 'healthy mind' around...
Individuals who commit a specific 'bad-act' are to be sanctioned/punished individually for that specific 'bad-act'.
Wrap your 'healthy mind' around that, then refocus your energy and effort in engendering THAT change, rather than psycho-babble which has the direct effect of further eroding, diluting or outright abrogating any of our constitutionally enumerated, fundamental liberty.
The only whack-job conspiracy nut I see is YOU.
YOU are advocating lunatic-esque changes in our Constitution. YOU are fixated on the Magna Carta which is a non-issue as it related to our already codified Constitution.
Not only do liberty advocates and constitutionalists, like me, have to stand guard against collectivists from the right, center and left who attempt to restrict fundamental individual liberties, but now, I see YOU pop up, babbling about Magna Carta secrets and Egyptian alignments of the Washington Monument and secret jedi-mind tricks... quote:If this is not true, then you will reveal the secret of who compelled the signers of the Magna Carta and how they did it. Then you will explain why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument.Take a step back and look at what you write...dude.
You propose what are, frankly, stupid revisions to Amendment II, as in... quote:REV. Amendment II
A well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms in their homes, shall not be infringed in the absense of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles and defense of this Constitution.You are a fruit-loop, simply put and IMO.
Look at what YOU wrote...dude.
'Shall not be infringed' is changed to 'can be infringed' and you go on to attempt to tie your ridiculous nonsensical jabber to the founding principles and the Constitution.
Unbelievable.
As for my being afraid to amend the Constitution...if it needs amendment, I would be first in line.
I must point out, however, that the deadly and clear danger of a con-con and of amending the Constitution is exemplified BY THOSE LIKE YOU and the STUPID ideas, off-kilter desires and liberty destroying filth that dribbles out of your strange mind.
I rarely label someone in such a manner, but the clown-shoe fits you, perfectly.
Just so you know. It is what it is.
Unbelievable.
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A well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms in their homes, shall not be infringed in the absense of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles and defense of this Constitution.
This has got to be one of the most assinine things I have ever laid eyes on. Under NO circumstances would I ever support that. "....shall not be infringed.".....read it.....know it....believe in it....
It's a lot bigger than 'astroturfing'. Typically the gov comes out and admits they were thinking about what they were actually doing for years, just to regain some impresson of transparency.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein
I have personally seen MASSIVE infiltrations into every arena of American activism. It is disgusting and completely un American, unconstitutional and un acceptable.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf there is indeed the secret control of which you write, the best way to ensure its continuance is to grant a current co-conspirator the power to see to it that such control is stopped.
Just by exposure it is stopped. No need to grant anything and the revised amendments do not do that.
Only if the infiltration is performed by Government could it be unconstitutional. Your suggestion, however, that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' would make it Constitutional, and is (regardless of your protestations of denial) a granting of power to Congress that is not currently possessed.
I simply cannot get on board with the premise that charging Congress with limiting the speech of some in order to supposedly protect it for others is a good idea. I am sure that I will not like what some will do following the 'Citizens United Decision', for example, but what I do with it is my responsibility, not that of Congress. The correct decision was made.
All the best.
Don
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quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
It's a lot bigger than 'astroturfing'. Typically the gov comes out and admits they were thinking about what they were actually doing for years, just to regain some impresson of transparency.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein
I have personally seen MASSIVE infiltrations into every arena of American activism. It is disgusting and completely un American, unconstitutional and un acceptable.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf there is indeed the secret control of which you write, the best way to ensure its continuance is to grant a current co-conspirator the power to see to it that such control is stopped.
Just by exposure it is stopped. No need to grant anything and the revised amendments do not do that.
Only if the infiltration is performed by Government could it be unconstitutional. Your suggestion, however, that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' would make it Constitutional, and is (regardless of your protestations of denial) a granting of power to Congress that is not currently possessed.
I simply cannot get on board with the premise that charging Congress with limiting the speech of some in order to supposedly protect it for others is a good idea. I am sure that I will not like what some will do following the 'Citizens United Decision', for example, but what I do with it is my responsibility, not that of Congress. The correct decision was made.
All the best.
Don
I see your point Don, and technically your are correct.
I cannot see that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' is really very different than "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech," because in both cases congress must obey he same critria whether they are acting themselves or limiting the action of another entity. In this case corporations that currently have status that is not constitutional from the beginning.
Either our congress knows what is constitutional and what is not relating to its own behaviors AND those that are empowered under law, while being able to control the behaviors of both, or it does not know and does not act to support and defend the constitution.
Can we imagine one person abridging free speech. No way. Can we imagine corporations colluding and executing a campaign to do so? Absolutely, and they have. The "astroturfing" issue shows that.
That link in the last post is about the infiltration that government secretly did.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein
I am absolutely certain such infiltrations have been happening since 2004 in a large way.
You will notice in the revised amendments that here is a "check and balance" created in the peoples rights that use the 1st amendment to provide constitutional correction by the people. A lot has changed in 200 years, and our social contract needs to be kept current.
quote:WHy you would leave a tool like mental illness in the hands of the gun controllers to use to compromise your COnstitutional right, I'd like to know.
I mean drug dealers and gangsters have a basic mental problem that probably can be treated, but Noooooooooo, you let them run amok so the gun takers can take our guns. What nonsense.
How about the wakjob conspiracy nut with a pistol. You let them go off and make a giant media sensation that immediately turns into serious talk about cun control?????? WTH????
Then you appear afraid to amend our constitution. Like you can't understand that: forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a good thing.
Dude, are you sure you are here to protect gun rights?Factually, what you advocate is nonsensical and contrary to the text of our enumerated fundamental rights.
Nice babble though.
As for drug dealers and gang members or the mentally ill, "I" don't let them run amok, government does.
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Correct, and it is our duty to stop government from doing that. You appear to be against us honing our tools.
quote:REV. Amendment II
A well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms in their homes, shall not be infringed in the absense of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles and defense of this Constitution.
This has got to be one of the most assinine things I have ever laid eyes on. Under NO circumstances would I ever support that. "....shall not be infringed.".....read it.....know it....believe in it....
Enforce it in any way possible.
Why didn't you explain why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument. Your ommission shows your fear of secrecy. Your position shows your alliance with un constitutional ridicule, or attempts at it.
You are a fruit-loop, simply put and IMO.
Look at what YOU wrote...dude.
'Shall not be infringed' is changed to 'can be infringed' and you go on to attempt to tie your ridiculous nonsensical jabber to the founding principles and the Constitution.
Unbelievable.
As for my being afraid to amend the Constitution...if it needs amendment, I would be first in line.
I must point out, however, that the deadly and clear danger of a con-con and of amending the Constitution is exemplified BY THOSE LIKE YOU and the STUPID ideas, off-kilter desires and liberty destroying filth that dribbles out of your strange mind.
I rarely label someone in such a manner, but the clown-shoe fits you, perfectly.
Just so you know. It is what it is.
Unbelievable.
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Agreed.[^]
But after giving the example laid out for all of us some thought, and considering the fact that it is human nature, especially if you are liberal, to "project", I am starting to understand why this poster would include such strange wording as all of this mental health gibberish. He must be afraid....... of himself most specifically. Apparently, if he truly believes in muddling up 2A this much, he has good reason to want "menatl health" wording.
I think he means to recuse himself from the protection of his new fangled 2nd amendment. He has...... issues. Projection.
edited to remove unnecessary posting, and to say that I wholeheartedly vote to stick with 2A as-is of course, and to use it as intended when the time comes.[^]
In the mean time I accept the dangers and responsibilities that come with freedom. I just wish the government would let me, as we already are far from the true 2A.[V]
I see your point Don, and technically your are correct.
I cannot see that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' is really very different than "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech," because in both cases congress must obey he same critria whether they are acting themselves or limiting the action of another entity. In this case corporations that currently have status that is not constitutional from the beginning.
The difference is not technical, freedomfighter, it is fundamental. Currently the 1st Amendment limits Government and only Government from abridging the freedom of speech, etc. Your suggested change (Congress shall see that nothing abridges...) mandates that it ensures that private entities and citizens do not abridge free speech, etc. As private entities and citizens have no enforcement tools, they cannot abridge these freedoms.
Private entities and citizens can and will make statements and flood the media with information that is self-serving, but these actions in no way threaten the freedom of speech of anyone else. Broadcasters and publishers can control what is presented in the programming and publishings, but this also limits the freedom of speech of no-one.
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Either our congress knows what is constitutional and what is not relating to its own behaviors AND those that are empowered under law, while being able to control the behaviors of both, or it does not know and does not act to support and defend the constitution.
Can we imagine one person abridging free speech. No way. Can we imagine corporations colluding and executing a campaign to do so? Absolutely, and they have. The "astroturfing" issue shows that.
Sorry, I guess I got ahead of myself.[:)]
Astroturfing shows nothing of the sort. There is no sensible argument that can make the case that astroturfing abridges any-one's freedom of speech. By definition it creates a falsified movement, and misleads people who allow themselves to be mislead. It does not however, restrict the freedoms of any of these people. Empowering Congress to squelch that which they view as wrong, however, does not address the actual problem, which is rooted in the willingness of people to be mislead.
I will never be convinced that limiting the freedoms of others can in any way preserve or protect my own, but this is in a nutshell, what you advocate.
quote:
That link in the last post is about the infiltration that government secretly did.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein
I am absolutely certain such infiltrations have been happening since 2004 in a large way.
You will notice in the revised amendments that here is a "check and balance" created in the peoples rights that use the 1st amendment to provide constitutional correction by the people. A lot has changed in 200 years, and our social contract needs to be kept current.
I am also certain that government infiltrations occur in arenas where the Constitutionality of it is questionable. The check and balance you mention already exists through our court system, which from a practical standpoint is the mechanism that would be used to redress grievances and defend the Constitution in your re-do.
Of the changes that have occurred over the past 200 years, the greatest, IMO, is the size, influence and intrusion of the Federal Government upon the private sector. These modifications you suggest can do nothing but encourage more of the same.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by lt496
You are a fruit-loop, simply put and IMO.
Look at what YOU wrote...dude.
'Shall not be infringed' is changed to 'can be infringed' and you go on to attempt to tie your ridiculous nonsensical jabber to the founding principles and the Constitution.
Unbelievable.
As for my being afraid to amend the Constitution...if it needs amendment, I would be first in line.
I must point out, however, that the deadly and clear danger of a con-con and of amending the Constitution is exemplified BY THOSE LIKE YOU and the STUPID ideas, off-kilter desires and liberty destroying filth that dribbles out of your strange mind.
I rarely label someone in such a manner, but the clown-shoe fits you, perfectly.
Just so you know. It is what it is.
Unbelievable.
*Edit...spelling
Agreed.[^]
But after giving the example laid out for all of us some thought, and considering the fact that it is human nature, especially if you are liberal, to "project", I am starting to understand why this poster would include such strange wording as all of this mental health gibberish. He must be afraid....... of himself most specifically. Apparently, if he truly believes in muddling up 2A this much, he has good reason to want "menatl health" wording.
I think he means to recuse himself from the protection of his new fangled 2nd amendment. He has...... issues. Projection.
edited to remove unnecessary posting, and to say that I wholeheartedly vote to stick with 2A as-is of course, and to use it as intended when the time comes.[^]
In the mean time I accept the dangers and responsibilities that come with freedom. I just wish the government would let me, as we already are far from the true 2A.[V]
It appears you are as afraid to amend as lt496, and as unwilling to communicate to fellow Americans the underlying principles in the spirit of enforcement. Or as afraid to recognize that stuff written 200 years NEEDS amendment, particularly IF it cannot be enforced, . . . and you provided NO WAY TO ENFORCE the 2nd, oops, it looks like your gun don't mean that much to you after all.
Guess what? They are going to take your gun if you cannot address the authority they operate under.
Well, I am unafraid of my fellow Americans ability to understand and apply the principles of this nation to constitutional amendment.
Assuming you are even remotely serious, I have likely never read a bigger pile of horse hockey than this. It is quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have seen a person put into writing on the internet, and I've been reading postings made onto the web for a very long time.
I actually laughed out loud when I read this part:
"keep and bear arms in their homes"
What the sam-hill are you trying to prove here?
I will say this much, you're making a lot of people look like geniuses by throwing the curve so low. The bell curve has mean-shifted because of you.
Carry on.
edit to add: if you're joking, keep your day job.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
I see your point Don, and technically your are correct.
I cannot see that 'Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech' is really very different than "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech," because in both cases congress must obey he same critria whether they are acting themselves or limiting the action of another entity. In this case corporations that currently have status that is not constitutional from the beginning.
The difference is not technical, freedomfighter, it is fundamental. Currently the 1st Amendment limits Government and only Government from abridging the freedom of speech, etc. Your suggested change (Congress shall see that nothing abridges...) mandates that it ensures that private entities and citizens do not abridge free speech, etc. As private entities and citizens have no enforcement tools, they cannot abridge these freedoms.
Private entities and citizens can and will make statements and flood the media with information that is self-serving, but these actions in no way threaten the freedom of speech of anyone else. Broadcasters and publishers can control what is presented in the programming and publishings, but this also limits the freedom of speech of no-one.
quote:
Either our congress knows what is constitutional and what is not relating to its own behaviors AND those that are empowered under law, while being able to control the behaviors of both, or it does not know and does not act to support and defend the constitution.
Can we imagine one person abridging free speech. No way. Can we imagine corporations colluding and executing a campaign to do so? Absolutely, and they have. The "astroturfing" issue shows that.
Sorry, I guess I got ahead of myself.[:)]
Astroturfing shows nothing of the sort. There is no sensible argument that can make the case that astroturfing abridges any-one's freedom of speech. By definition it creates a falsified movement, and misleads people who allow themselves to be mislead. It does not however, restrict the freedoms of any of these people. Empowering Congress to squelch that which they view as wrong, however, does not address the actual problem, which is rooted in the willingness of people to be mislead.
I will never be convinced that limiting the freedoms of others can in any way preserve or protect my own, but this is in a nutshell, what you advocate.
Again I see your points, and again they are correct within what address.
What they don't address is that corporations, individuals and government are colluding in a fashion that pretty much completely abridges free speech. You don't know that because you haven't tried to share knowledge the infiltration opposes.
All of this is happening within an environment of secrecy that keeps people from knowing why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument. The people are not willing to be mislead. They were mislead to not know the difference, and it took almost 100 years. Granpa might have tried to tell the grandkids, but the cartoons on TV were too loud and attractive and ma/pa were busy working or recovering from a hangover. Norman Dodd explained how it started.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827#
The transcripts.
http://www.realityzone.com/hiddenagenda2.html
What was removed that was most important were clues as to HOW the secret infiltration of government was to take place. Therefor no one here has a clue as to why the Washington monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusquote:
That link in the last post is about the infiltration that government secretly did.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/15/sunstein
I am absolutely certain such infiltrations have been happening since 2004 in a large way.
You will notice in the revised amendments that here is a "check and balance" created in the peoples rights that use the 1st amendment to provide constitutional correction by the people. A lot has changed in 200 years, and our social contract needs to be kept current.
I am also certain that government infiltrations occur in arenas where the Constitutionality of it is questionable. The check and balance you mention already exists through our court system,
Nope, the courts (some judges) are actually leaders in the infiltrations. They act as a shield. Have you filed any civil rights lawsuits lately? Do you know how Title 42, Chapter 21, ?1988 is being used since the supreme court decision in Wilson V Garcia? Well I do and we do not have constitutional courts.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I'm not going to read all the previous comments on this, but I do want to say this:
Assuming you are even remotely serious, I have likely never read a bigger pile of horse hockey than this. It is quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have seen a person put into writing on the internet, and I've been reading postings made onto the web for a very long time.
I actually laughed out loud when I read this part:
"keep and bear arms in their homes"
What the sam-hill are you trying to prove here?
I will say this much, you're making a lot of people look like geniuses by throwing the curve so low. The bell curve has mean-shifted because of you.
Carry on.
edit to add: if you're joking, keep your day job.
Ha, you know what? That is a good point. That is why the revisions are drafts and that is why I'm posting here. Thanks! I'm changing it.
Nope, the courts (some judges) are actually leaders in the infiltrations. They act as a shield. Have you filed any civil rights lawsuits lately? Do you know how Title 42, Chapter 21, ?1988 is being used since the supreme court decision in Wilson V Garcia? Well I do and we do not have constitutional courts.
This is basically my point. The enforcement mechanism that would have to be used by your 'new' check and balance already exists, and has proven to be less than effective. Nothing in your proposed modification will change this.
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Not in the environment where the basic secret is exposed. It changes the whole world and our perceptions of the past.
I have to get off this boat, now freedomfighter. I had at first thought your reference to the Washington Monument as an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' was presented as a joke. If it is a joke, I don't get it, and if it is not a joke, I believe I am beginning to understand why you feel your freedom of speech has been abridged at some point in your life.
I would wish you good luck in your pursuits, but I see your goals as damaging to the fabric of our society, so I will not.
All the best (the greater meaning, of course)
Don
Brad Steele
This is basically my point. The enforcement mechanism that would have to be used by your 'new' check and balance already exists, and has proven to be less than effective. Nothing in your proposed modification will change this.
Don
Don, I suspect if he was serious, and then capable of comrehension, this thread would not exist based on the point you just made. If anything his "suggestions" make it far more unlikely that enforcement could happen. This is one strange bird if serious. Pegged the BS meter otherwise.
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
Nope, the courts (some judges) are actually leaders in the infiltrations. They act as a shield. Have you filed any civil rights lawsuits lately? Do you know how Title 42, Chapter 21, ?1988 is being used since the supreme court decision in Wilson V Garcia? Well I do and we do not have constitutional courts.
This is basically my point. The enforcement mechanism that would have to be used by your 'new' check and balance already exists, and has proven to be less than effective. Nothing in your proposed modification will change this.
quote:
Not in the environment where the basic secret is exposed. It changes the whole world and our perceptions of the past.
The missing knowledge returned through equal protecion of law restored and free speech made meaningful is what would change. That is just h peoples capacity to control their government. The revised amendments will create restructured laws which will stop the deterioration of constitutional, lawful government.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusI have to get off this boat, now freedomfighter. I had at first thought your reference to the Washington Monument as an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' was presented as a joke. If it is a joke, I don't get it, and if it is not a joke, I believe I am beginning to understand why you feel your freedom of speech has been abridged at some point in your life.
I would wish you good luck in your pursuits, but I see your goals as damaging to the fabric of our society, so I will not.
All the best (the greater meaning, of course)
Don
Thank you Don!
It's not a joke tho. The fact you don't know why the first presidents national monument is an Oblisk (or what those are for) signifies the degree of dumbing down that has happened. You are very knowledgable and should know that in a normal world. That knowledge would make you much more effective at what you would like to do with what you know.
My point is this. For the same reason you don't know about the Oblisk, the secrecy I've mentioned has hijacked the government and you don't know it is hijacked.
There is no free speech on .com. Deprivals of equal protection of law by judges and government deprive me of what I need to make what I say have meaning. They did what they did to keep the secret you don't know, enabling the destruction of the Constitution.
Our society is destroying itself, a few others and most of the environment with it so I doubt I can do any harm. It might have existed as we dream it for a decade or so, but soon overtaken in the ignorance/fear created with the dumbing down I've documented by referring to Norman Dodd. I can back with facts that our society is destroying itself, but they are off topic and only useful for protecting gun rights IF you stand under all conditions in support and defense of the the Constitution.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
fighter, how will your changes enforce the constitution? I don't think you will have much luck with support for the con-con. Those citizens who would participate will see that what you propose is not the solution and could lead to worse situation. What you propose is dangerous, uneccesary and likely to be subverted.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
So who did force the king and barons to sign?
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
And now will you explain to me how an 'Oblisk' affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments?
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
Now . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
quote:Originally posted by buffaloboWhat you propose is dangerous, uneccesary and likely to be subverted. Those citizens who would participate will see that what you propose is not the solution and could lead to worse situation.
That fear mongering serves the infiltrators and deprives us of formally examining our principles as a nation, seeing that our constitution serves the principles.
quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
fighter, how will your changes enforce the constitution? I don't think you will have much luck with support for the con-con.
Perhaps the environment of a convention is not understood. The existing federal government simply calls for it and then recognizes its authority to present the states interests through amendments. The fed has nothing to do with the creation or ratification of amendments. Ratification may be done by 38 states with 34 required to invoke the duty of congress to call a convention.
The laws are made under the constitution. Some will be changed those changes will drastically effect situations and effect a full and repsected return of civil rights and lawful government.
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Can someone please tell me what the hell an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is and how it affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments? I only ask so that we all may better understand...
It's all to be found in the Magna Carta, but you must unveil the secrets of who first forced its drafting.
Try to keep up, please.[:)]
I never said that and you do not know who forced the king and barons to sign.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogSo who did force the king and barons to sign?
The Free Men did. Their story is removed from history because they were heretics. They are mentioned in the Magna Carta because they wouldn't stop killing the elites knights and soldiers unless they were at least mentioned.
They shut down the forest roads and burned baronages driving the barons into stone fortifications. The closest thing to their story in history is "Robinhood". It was a story written to appease the aging Chieftans who fought for freedom only to find that no one knew how it was won 15 years later. The earliest version we have is perhaps the 5th version. Slowly the truth of the heresy and military victories was removed and we have the fantasy tale you now know.
quote:And neo has learned today that "an 'Egyptian solar alignment instrument' is an Oblisk.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogAnd now will you explain to me how an 'Oblisk' affects the 1st and 2nd Amendments?
I never said it did. Do you want to know what it means relating to the infiltrators who are working to take your gun?
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdogNow . . . explain exactly how you will enforce the Constitution cap'n.
My last post explains how the 2nd amendment right of keeping and bearing arms is protected, dynamically. If the congress refuses to call a convention, obviously unified with the infiltration, either criminal neglect, malfeasance or treason is shown and it is shown in conspiracy. The states can choose to enforce federal law in that situation.
Ever wonder why a representative has to live in the territory of their Constituency?
Perhaps much is actually understood about the Constitution and the mechanics of a con-con by those who are engaged with you on this thread...
Perhaps there is a 'common denominator' here who has proposed ridiculous and abrogating changes to Amendment I and Amendment II...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' continually hints at some 'secret' knowledge and infers that he has a 'special grasp' on matters of the Constitution and how to 'enforce' it...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' fails to see that which is crystal-clear to some of the 'rubes and morons' (my sarcastic characterization) who have engaged him on this thread, that being that his postings read like something written by a disturbed mind.
Perhaps it is crystal-clear to the 'rubes and morons' that the proposed Amendment I change provides power to government that does not now legitimately exist and that the 'common denominator's' proposed change to Amendment II codifies government authority to infringe on that which is now expressly prohibited.
Perhaps...
Of course, if the 'rubes and morons' who are engaged here would only grasp and understand the Magna Carta, who forced its signing and why the 'oblisk' (I expect that you meant to type 'obelisk') that is the Washington Monument is an Egyptian solar alignment instrument, then their minds would be healthy and what is now seen as ridiculous, rambling and damaging to the text of the BOR and erosive to individual liberty, would swim into focus and all would be clear.
Just for clarity (much needed, it seems) I for one am cognizant of behind the scenes motives and powers at work at the time of our founding, throughout our history and currently continuing.
While we may disagree with what that power is and the ultimate purpose of it, the fact remains that your posts resemble those of a disturbed man, your proposed amendment-changes are opposite to the principles of our founding and would be destructive of the textual limitations on government that currently exist and factually, as I see it, you and your proposals exemplify the hazards of a con-con.
I believe that the method of correction is to understand and stand firm on the Constitution, as is, and to employ nullification and the aggressive and consistent exercise of all out enumerated rights, but with emphasis on aggressive exercise of Amendment IX and Amendment X, via the people and the states.
Barring success at that, 'liberties teeth' will be required to right the wrongs, as was always a potential and which was one of the primary reasons that Amendment II was so enumerated.
That is all and I am done here and with you.
Have a good day and a healthy and happy life, freedomfighter.
Thank you Don!
It's not a joke tho. The fact you don't know why the first presidents national monument is an Oblisk (or what those are for) signifies the degree of dumbing down that has happened. You are very knowledgable and should know that in a normal world. That knowledge would make you much more effective at what you would like to do with what you know.
My point is this. For the same reason you don't know about the Oblisk, the secrecy I've mentioned has hijacked the government and you don't know it is hijacked.
There is no free speech on .com. Deprivals of equal protection of law by judges and government deprive me of what I need to make what I say have meaning. They did what they did to keep the secret you don't know, enabling the destruction of the Constitution.
Our society is destroying itself, a few others and most of the environment with it so I doubt I can do any harm. It might have existed as we dream it for a decade or so, but soon overtaken in the ignorance/fear created with the dumbing down I've documented by referring to Norman Dodd. I can back with facts that our society is destroying itself, but they are off topic and only useful for protecting gun rights IF you stand under all conditions in support and defense of the the Constitution.
This 'gotcha' form of discussion you use, freedomfighter is tedious. Please cut to the chase.
If you are simply referring to the evils of Freemasonry, I am bored. If you have come up with a new and improved conspiracy, please enlighten me. Please, though, if you are interested in a response, dispense with the insipid secrecy you employ in your posts and just state what it is that you mean.
On the other hand, I guess I can see where combating secrecy with secrecy dovetails rather nicely with your 'improving freedom through restriction' stance.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by freedomfighter
Thank you Don!
It's not a joke tho. The fact you don't know why the first presidents national monument is an Oblisk (or what those are for) signifies the degree of dumbing down that has happened. You are very knowledgable and should know that in a normal world. That knowledge would make you much more effective at what you would like to do with what you know.
My point is this. For the same reason you don't know about the Oblisk, the secrecy I've mentioned has hijacked the government and you don't know it is hijacked.
There is no free speech on .com. Deprivals of equal protection of law by judges and government deprive me of what I need to make what I say have meaning. They did what they did to keep the secret you don't know, enabling the destruction of the Constitution.
Our society is destroying itself, a few others and most of the environment with it so I doubt I can do any harm. It might have existed as we dream it for a decade or so, but soon overtaken in the ignorance/fear created with the dumbing down I've documented by referring to Norman Dodd. I can back with facts that our society is destroying itself, but they are off topic and only useful for protecting gun rights IF you stand under all conditions in support and defense of the the Constitution.
This 'gotcha' form of discussion you use, freedomfighter is tedious. Please cut to the chase.
It's important to realize that I've done that and if you knew more you wouldn't say that that because know that I'm limiting cognitive dissonance in the mind of the lurker. Even lurkers care about the constitution, they also have a vote and a state and If they are shocked by what they read, they won't continue to learn what they need to in order to realize an Article V convention is our last and only chance to preserve the nation. Notice that none of my detractors here have responded when asked, "How will you enforce the Constitution?"
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf you are simply referring to the evils of Freemasonry, I am bored.
There you go using a label, a cognitive distortion, a generalization, a minimalization. Understanding doesn't work with that. How simple is your mind? Maybe you get the point.
I've mentioned the unconscious mind repeatedly and secrecy. The 2 go together with Masonry and the perception of evil you speak of indicates you don't understand but act as if you do and are bored. Sure, there is some dark, nasty stuff that has taken over the order, but to attempt to generalize that would halfway throw out all that you admire in the constitution, because it was written mostly by Masons.
In fact, they go all the way back to the Magna Carta and far before. Since all but 2 presidents were Masons, and that is not common knowledge, understanding them can make a huge difference in our ability to act.
It is not simple and the mind is not simple.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusIf you have come up with a new and improved conspiracy, please enlighten me.
The Masonic order was first infiltrated by what you term evil, then through the Order the government was infiltrated. All the un constitutional acts you can list are created by that unconscious control over people influenced by the original conspiracy advanced through American ignorance and indulgence invoked by media dominated by the dark aspects that invaded the Order.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusPlease, though, if you are interested in a response, dispense with the insipid secrecy you employ in your posts and just state what it is that you mean.
On the other hand, I guess I can see where combating secrecy with secrecy dovetails rather nicely with your 'improving freedom through restriction' stance.
I'm not about using secrecy I'm about understanding it. Shocking people with too much truth works against understanding. In the same tone as your last sentence, "Is that what you are trying to get me to do?"
FF,
Perhaps much is actually understood about the Constitution and the mechanics of a con-con by those who are engaged with you on this thread...
Perhaps there is a 'common denominator' here who has proposed ridiculous and abrogating changes to Amendment I and Amendment II...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' continually hints at some 'secret' knowledge and infers that he has a 'special grasp' on matters of the Constitution and how to 'enforce' it...
Perhaps this 'common denominator' fails to see that which is crystal-clear to some of the 'rubes and morons' (my sarcastic characterization) who have engaged him on this thread, that being that his postings read like something written by a disturbed mind.
Perhaps it is crystal-clear to the 'rubes and morons' that the proposed Amendment I change provides power to government that does not now legitimately exist and that the
Since you have never commented upon the principles preceding "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness of the proposed amendment revision, "forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love", it is safe to assume you are not interested in any of it and prefer that no one do anything and allow the gun controllers to take our guns. You like things the way they are and have not provided any method of enforcing the 2nd amendment so have nullified your position.
You would have saved the both of us a lot of time by simply being up-front in the beginning.
I had hoped you were bringing something new to the table, but alas you are just re-framing a tired discussion.
John Adams despaired at the dumbing down and malaise of the American population upon his return from the court of St. James in 1788. He, one of a small group of non-masons we count as founders wielded significant influence not only on the Declaration of Independence, but also in his advocacy of implementing the Constitution. His heart, by most accounts, was pure and his influence can obviously still be seen today. The all-seeing eye must have been a little less than all-seeing.
Secret Societies have their place in American Mythology, and there are nuggets of truth in most of these conspiracy theories. There is nothing in your proposed Amendment Changes that allow for the exposure of the truth as you state. Rather, logic tells us that empowering the Congress to regulate the media, corporations and the citizenry can only, IMO, re-enforce the control you fear is exercised currently by these societies.
A little perspective for any who are still interested.
http://watch.pair.com/mason.html
From the link:
Based on this new information, which has been withheld from the Gentile world, it becomes apparent that the Great Seal of the United States reveals in a symbolic code the quest of the Zionist Jews to return to and conquer the Holy Land which God originally gave them, but which they forfeited through their rejection of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Moreover, the Great Seal reveals that they are using the United States of America and to reestablish the kingdom of Israel from which their Antichrist, a descendant of King Solomon, will rule the world.
It truly is most dire.
All the best,
Don
Brad Steele
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.
Often, Don, I am shamed by the civility and professionalism that you consistently bring to the table whilst you deliver an intellectual kick in the nut-sack to someone.
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.
But you have no way to enforce the constitution and do not want Americans to unify for amendment, nice. And you present yourself as being here for gun rights?
Uh, consider the gun controllers LOVE you for empowering their strategy of using mental illness as a reason to enact gun control.
The purpose of your ridicule is exposed.
Wasn't that easy, freedomfighter?
You would have saved the both of us a lot of time by simply being up-front in the beginning.
I had hoped you were bringing something new to the table, but alas you are just re-framing a tired discussion.
No, explaining factors that show how the infiltration of the US government has achieved. The infiltrators would like people to think that the discussion was "tired". Those cognitive distortions really work against you when you are not working for the higher human purpose of the natural law of the constitution, like the greater meaning of free speech. forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
You would imply that we do not deserve such things while you are praised by lt496 in a collusive fashion using atempts at ridicule after both of you have failed repeatedly to state a method by which to enforce the constitution.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusJohn Adams despaired at the dumbing down and malaise of the American population upon his return from the court of St. James in 1788. He, one of a small group of non-masons we count as founders wielded significant influence not only on the Declaration of Independence, but also in his advocacy of implementing the Constitution. His heart, by most accounts, was pure and his influence can obviously still be seen today. The all-seeing eye must have been a little less than all-seeing.
Secret Societies have their place in American Mythology, and there are nuggets of truth in most of these conspiracy theories. There is nothing in your proposed Amendment Changes that allow for the exposure of the truth as you state.
When people stand for their right to have the best medical care, including mental health care, and having all of their rights intact, they will also be able to understand the unconscious mind which is used by occult factions. Therein is exposed their METHODS of secrecy. Even better in my evaluation.
Can you consider you are being apart of the deprival of appropriate mental health care alleviating tremendous suffering, creating greater safety and protecting gun rights by opposing amendment of the 2nd? Why can't you engage the obvious benefits of the most positive human traits supporting the higher principals of the constitution; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as the greater meaning of free speech proposed in the revised 1st amendment? I mean are you aware of the moral decay children and families are experiencing?
quote:Originally posted by Don McManusThis right here exposes the truth.
[bA well regulated Militia and people mentally sound, as they might find through use of the first amendment, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed in the absence of development of the most effective mental health care possible in the interest of the peoples unity under the principles of, and defense of this Constitution.
Which might be exactly why there is no interest in it. The truth is we do not know everything about the mind but you would pretend we do. Basically the truth cannot be stated or heard in a fair forum. People will use cognitive distortions to attempt to minimize it. Labels like "myth".
Don, it is about HYPNOSIS, working directly with the unconscious mind. A mental state called "somnambulism", See the first footnote below the line.
And the fact that hypnotized people deny being hypnotized.
These are facts Don and they are being used to violate the constitution.
The occult factions do that with their children and unconsciously structure their allegiance and interactions. Conspiracies happen to work best that way.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus Rather, logic tells us that empowering the Congress to regulate the media, corporations and the citizenry can only, IMO, re-enforce the control you fear is exercised currently by these societies.
Big distortion there Don. Read again.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress shall see that nothing abridges the freedom of speech and the primary methods or systems of it shall be first accessible for the unity of the people with its possible greater meaning through understanding one another in; "forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Congress shall see that nothing abridges freedom of the press in its service to the unity of the people; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances or defense of this constitution.
It simply deals with the hijacking of the internet, currently the only real way to bring meaning to free speech that is significant.
DO you remember the usenet Don?[/b]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus A little perspective for any who are still interested.
http://watch.pair.com/mason.html
From the link:
Based on this new information, which has been withheld from the Gentile world, it becomes apparent that the Great Seal of the United States reveals in a symbolic code the quest of the Zionist Jews to return to and conquer the Holy Land which God originally gave them, but which they forfeited through their rejection of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Moreover, the Great Seal reveals that they are using the United States of America and to reestablish the kingdom of Israel from which their Antichrist, a descendant of King Solomon, will rule the world.
It truly is most dire.
All the best,
Don
I agree, most dire. Accordingly, logically, if that is your true sentiment, you will use facts and evidence reasonably and be accountable.
Interesting how the word "somnambulism" and "hypnosis" don't appear on the page of your link about Masons.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Often, Don, I am shamed by the civility and professionalism that you consistently bring to the table whilst you deliver an intellectual kick in the nut-sack to someone.
That said and although I can wear that hat if I choose, I have opted to go for the more 'base' and low-road approach at times and just call a loon a loon.[:D][:D]
Now, I must go and study further on the intricacies of freemasonry, so I can understand the greater general meaning of things.
But you have no way to enforce the constitution and do not want Americans to unify for amendment, nice. And you present yourself as being here for gun rights?
Uh, consider the gun controllers LOVE you for empowering their strategy of using mental illness as a reason to enact gun control.
The purpose of your ridicule is exposed.
No, but the purpose of your proposal is ridiculous.
As it stands now, they have to ignore the law of the land to push the agenda. You would just freely give them that authority. Fool. Go peddle your poo at democrat underground. You should receive a warm welcome there.
P.S. The enforcement tool exists. The problem is the lack of will by you, me, and every other useless American to do it. Your way is the opposite of what you claim. I would ask what you have to gain by such idiotic efforts, but frankly I don't care. Just go away.