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Surprise Gun Registration!
sgm hag
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Found out from my cousin, who owns/operates a general merchandise public auction, some disturbing FED laws concerning resgitration.
A man brought in some pistols and long guns to put them up for auction. He had owned them since the 60's, so they had no registration. Some of them didn't reach the minimum amount he needed so he came to retrieve them. Surprise! He couldn't get them back until proper registration papers were filled out and filed with the ATF! The Gov't never knew before that he had owned any guns at all, but they damn sure know now!
A man brought in some pistols and long guns to put them up for auction. He had owned them since the 60's, so they had no registration. Some of them didn't reach the minimum amount he needed so he came to retrieve them. Surprise! He couldn't get them back until proper registration papers were filled out and filed with the ATF! The Gov't never knew before that he had owned any guns at all, but they damn sure know now!
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The office manager also said the two female agents were acting like they were wearing jackboots and treating them like they were criminals ever since they walked in the door.quote:Originally posted by tneff1969
Were these newly "registered" guns full auto or something ? Sounds like paranoia, and a standard ATF background check to me. Pass the kool aid
Besides, just because i'm one of the paranoid as you call it, doesn't mean they aren't watching. *L*
They weren't autos or anything illegal, just personal guns that the man has owned for many years but didn't get sold at the sale. Yes, the auction is going thru their first audit and were told that when a firearm goes thru their sale, whether or not it sells, any un-sold guns cannot be returned to the original owner without getting "papered" to him. I just think that is bull#@it since he has owned them for years and they just didn't get sold!
The office manager also said the two female agents were acting like they were wearing jackboots and treating them like they were criminals ever since they walked in the door.quote:Originally posted by tneff1969
Were these newly "registered" guns full auto or something ? Sounds like paranoia, and a standard ATF background check to me. Pass the kool aid
Wheres your papers comrade? Its coming soon to an auction near you as well. First registration then confiscation. Take it to the bank. NEVER trust the ATF or any government agency! JMO
Unfortunately, the auctioneer is an FFL holder. When a customer brings a firearm in to have an FFL dealer, or FLL licensed autioneer, sell guns for them, they are now a consignor. The dealer/auctioneer is the consignee. The guns must be entered into he dealer's Acquisitions and Dispositions book, (A&D), and if not sold, and the consignor wants them back, it can only be done so on a Form 4473, just as if they were buying them in the first place. Yes, there is now a record of possession, but that record stays with the dealer for 25 years or until they go out of business. There ARE some states where they ARE actually registered, such as Massachusetts etc. BUT, if a customer brings a gun in for repair, they can be simply given back to that person, with no paperwork. This has gotten several dealers ino trouble as they have tried to cut the 4473 out in consignment cases by claiming they were repqairs, and if sold, quickly putting them into the A&D book. Whenever we take in consignments we make the customer read a statement that tells them about this very scenario of possible returns. Even worse, in a state that requires a license to own, such as Massachusetts again, if a consignor loses or does not renew his license and then decides NOT to sell grandpa's old smokepole, he CAN'T get it back as he now has no license, even though he still OWNS it.
Thank you for the above it may clear up some confusion.
It backs what i have been saying for 30 years now, first the paperwork comrade, then oppressive control.The constitution does not allow for this action. I do not blame government, they are evil by their very nature from the start of this nation to this day. I blame lazy ignorant Americans that have allowed this travesty, not only with the 2nd Amendment , But the 16th as well, just sitting on their *, watching TV with their head up their *.Those are the people that cry the loudest when they realize their freedoms have been stripped from them. Bush did it after 911, Obama does it now. The left right paradigm rules Americas minds and lives. Is it to late for this nation to recover? Probably unless their blinders are removed.
Brain washing has been going on for many years.
tneff,, Paranoid? Drank the koolaid ? Really ? The registration of firearms is a direct infringment of our 2nd admendment rights. Thats why they put the clause in the said records must be destroyed after a period of time. Without that, it was deemed unconstitutional as it kept a record of firearms owned by private citizens and could be used in a round up. The Supreme Court said the was a no no. Now. The 64.00 question is, do they comply with their own regulation at the federal level? Locals do their to keep up. But I bet they are a little concerned about getting the dates right to destroy the doc's when they are supposed to. Or risk a hefty fine for destroying something a week to soon. And exactly checks the ATF's records to make sure THEY are in compliance. I'm guessing no one.
Besides, just because i'm one of the paranoid as you call it, doesn't mean they aren't watching. *L*
A big thumbs up, right on the nail. Government is evil by its very nature. And the watchmen and women fewer than 40 years ago thanks to our liberal school system.
You see, as a security measure, he had taken some expensive/collector pieces home with him to keep in his safe until the scheduled sale. Man! When he told Dickless Tracy and Tess about that they went ballistic and threatened to raid his home, tear it apart, confiscate all guns that he didn't have papers on that showed him to be legal owner of, then declare it a crime scene and arrest him as suspected trafficer. BECAUSE,he removed guns from the FFL registered address AND "mixed them in"[:0] with his own private collection of guns. He tried to explain to them that the small, valuable, easy to carry off pieces, would be more secure for the week or so before the sale in his safe at home. All they could say, like parrots repeating, "Felony..Felony..Lose Your License..Jail..Shut your Business Down!! [V]
Needless to say, he and his staff had a real long, miserable, several days going thru all gun purchase, trade, consignment transaction, sale and/or no-sale return since 1994, when he got his license.