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New York State and internet ammo purchases
got14u
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It is legal to purchase and receive ammo via the internet in New York State. Why some dealers are refusing is beyond me. If the new Safe Act provisions on ammo purchase stay, AFTER Jan. of 2014, ammo can be purchased, but must be shipped to an FFL, as a gun would be. There's enough persecution of new yorkers already, without the addition of dealers ignorant of the laws. Gun owners in NY are doing everything they can, including lawsuits, to fight these insane new provisions. How about a little support instead of isolating us unjustly?
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It is legal to purchase and receive ammo via the internet in New York State. Why some dealers are refusing is beyond me. If the new Safe Act provisions on ammo purchase stay, AFTER Jan. of 2014, ammo can be purchased, but must be shipped to an FFL, as a gun would be. There's enough persecution of new yorkers already, without the addition of dealers ignorant of the laws. Gun owners in NY are doing everything they can, including lawsuits, to fight these insane new provisions. How about a little support instead of isolating us unjustly?
If I was a dealer selling on the internet, I certainly would not sell to a new york resident. Why should take a chance? Why should they have to spend their time and energy having to figure out whether or not something that is legal to send everywhere else in the country, might not be legal in New York. It isnt worth it to have to work through the New York gun laws to find out whetehr or not the transaction is legal.
Salzo, no one selling on here should be "taking a chance" on anything. Knowing your state gun laws is stated by most sellers and buyers mostly do know. To exclude people because you're too lazy to take a few minutes to check where you're shipping to is the same attitude that gets cow cookies laws passed in the first place. Of course when you're getting triple the amount on ammo sales, I guess courtesy to fellow gun owners goes out the window, just like everything else. People forget that if poop flies here in NY State, it can very well land on you . We already lived with some of the strictest laws in the country and you see where it went now? People in other states * about back round checks at gun shows and losing 30 round mags? Try loading only 7 rounds in your gun and see how that feels. That "glad it's not me" attitude will assure you that the next time it will be you. Do you see anyone from the NRA on TV standing up for New Yorkers? I don't. If you think Obama is the only one who can hurt you, you're in for a surprise. Someday maybe our state reps who voted for the Safe Act will realize it was like following the lead buffalo over the cliff. All eyes are on NYS you can bet on that![xx(]
New YOrkers- they really do believe that New York is "special", and that those on the outside should just accomodate those in New York because, well, hey its New YOrk! You guys made your bed, dont expect everyone else to lay in it.
Personally, I love New York gun laws. Years ago, my father moved to NYC from long Island. That was back in the day when only the city required gun registration. My father did not want to deal with the hassle of registering his guns, so he gave all of his guns to me! He came to my home in PA, and delivered them to me. That was illegal for him, but legal for me. I have a few relatives who still live in that "special" state, and I am excited at the thought that my friends and relatives might not want to deal with the new laws, and will surrender their firearms to me, rather than having to deal with all of the registration crap.
My suggestion to you is to move-but please stay the hell out of Pennsylvania- we dont need any more new yorkers moving to PA, and poisoning the electorate with their anti gun agenda. All we need is a few more citizens from anti gun states, and PAs remarkably pro gun state (compared to what we are surrounded by) will go anti gun.
I do not expect special treatment from anybody
Sure you do. Your post whined that sellers are lazy; " To exclude people because you're too lazy to take a few minutes to check where you're shipping "
YOu want sellers to give special treatment to New Yorkers. Why should sellers give you special treatment, and take time out of their busy schedules to make sure they are complying with New Yorks assanine gun laws? Time is money, and you shouldnt expect sellers to handle the burden and extra cost involved with doing transactions with New Yorkers. New Yorkers have decided that they are not responsible enough to enjoy gun rights like most of the rest of the country. Those sellers who refuse to sell to New Yorkers are helping you and your New York brethren to have a "safe" state. You should thank them for providing the extra care that New Yorkers want.
If things get to rough here, I will return to my native state of Virginia after living here for over 50 years.Rest easy, I won't take up residence in Pennsylvania.With your kind of attitude, trouble will be in Pennsylvania soon enough.
IF THINGS GET ROUGH THERE???? THEY ARENT ROUGH ALREADY????
YOU GUYS ARENT ALLOWED TO HAVE SEVEN ROUNDS IN A GUN MAGAZINE!
GOOD LAWD HOW MUCH ROUGHER DOES IT HAVE TO GET!!!
Virginia? Virginia is toast, for the same reasons that PA will be going soon- too many foreigners from collective type states who establish residence. You are going to have to move somewhere else if you want to escape the wrath of the gun grabbers. And it is not my attitude that is the problem. It is the collective concept that you preach about that is causing the demise of gun rights.
`I guess I should have said can't take the time instead of too lazy. Poor choice of words, although I did a search and it took about 3 minutes to check the law. Nobody is that busy, unless they don't need the sales. Like I said, with people climbing over each other to buy ammo right now, it's a seller's market. That being said, Salzo, we are divided enough without further splitting gun owners in half. You think you can hide from big brother in those hills of Pa.? Big brother's been there before a long time ago think he can't come again? Now you got drones flying over to boot. Hiding in the trees don't work anymore. I see you're a musician? No wonder you like blowin ur own horn so much. Peace Brother!!![:D]
There are way too many "it can't happen here" people all over.
Instead of supporting their natural allies they treat them like lepers. These same people will be the first to whine when they face adversity.
You know WE had some really good regulations on ... And you should discourage these activities HERE.
Or if you tax X it will make kids safer, like we did in (your favorite socialists State here).
THIS TIME IT WILL WORK!
That does not happen because they are good ideas. I think it happens because people migrate because of taxes, jobs, regulations or whenever there ox gets gored. And they bring enough of their stupid ideas to plant the seeds anew.
You know WE had some really good regulations on ... And you should discourage these activities HERE.
Or if you tax X it will make kids safer, like we did in (your favorite socialists State here).
THIS TIME IT WILL WORK!
I would agree its not good ideas. And I wouldnt go as far as people, but ideas migrate. One state does it and its monkey see monkey do, and your right on tax dollars. But like I said to sit there act smug, wait till its your time.
Most of the ideas in California and New York have been around for 100+ years. Yet they are rejected in many states.
Texas currently has bills that will expand CHL to open carry. Not exactly the direction New York is taking.
We are encouraging firearm manufactures to relocate here and many are taking advantage of it.
At this time the business that relocates are bring people and their ideas with them. They have experienced the ideas and attitudes they are leaving thus adding to the opposition of the ideas and also depleting the opposition against.
I would say looking at current trends there is just as much opposition to the ideas from California and New York. People will bring their ideas and attitudes with them.
Most of the ideas in California and New York have been around for 100+ years. Yet they are rejected in many states.
Texas currently has bills that will expand CHL to open carry. Not exactly the direction New York is taking.
We are encouraging firearm manufactures to relocate here and many are taking advantage of it.
At this time the business that relocates are bring people and their ideas with them. They have experienced the ideas and attitudes they are leaving thus adding to the opposition of the ideas and also depleting the opposition against.
I would agree with you. And not all trends are accepted or not accepted the same. My point was is a lot of things tend to migrate east coast to west coast and vice versa. And somethings are slowly but surely changed but yet other things like gun control are opened up more, but I think that is more of an attempt by texas to say look at what were doing or to attract more tax paying companies or tax payers. I dont necessarily think the open definance by states is just there because of a good idea.
We have duck hunters saying the same thing and the list goes on. Then will come the day for the ban of their favorite gun, there will be no one left to assist them. It will be over.
New YOrkers- they really do believe that New York is "special", and that those on the outside should just accomodate those in New York because, well, hey its New YOrk! You guys made your bed, dont expect everyone else to lay in it.
Personally, I love New York gun laws. Years ago, my father moved to NYC from long Island. That was back in the day when only the city required gun registration. My father did not want to deal with the hassle of registering his guns, so he gave all of his guns to me! He came to my home in PA, and delivered them to me. That was illegal for him, but legal for me. I have a few relatives who still live in that "special" state, and I am excited at the thought that my friends and relatives might not want to deal with the new laws, and will surrender their firearms to me, rather than having to deal with all of the registration crap.
My suggestion to you is to move-but please stay the hell out of Pennsylvania- we dont need any more new yorkers moving to PA, and poisoning the electorate with their anti gun agenda. All we need is a few more citizens from anti gun states, and PAs remarkably pro gun state (compared to what we are surrounded by) will go anti gun.
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Wow, what an attitude. Let me enlighten you on New York State politics and voters. State population is 19 million. Nearly 11 million of the state's 19 million people live in and around the immediate New York City area. That's about 56% of the state population living in less than 3% of the state land and controlling the vote. Most common party affiliation is democrat. Strong liberal base. Large population of foreigners and minorities... very big anti-gun stronghold.
Now move upstate and have a look. About 8 million people spread across 53,000 square miles. That's about 44% of the state population living in more than 97% of the state land. Primarily republican voters who's vote is disenfranchised. By the way... nearly 1 million CCW permits in that population of 8 million.
Upstate is largely farmland, mountains, wilderness, deer and bear hunting, fishing, and skiing. Mostly regular folks. Why would you display such an attitude against people who don't have the voting power to control the largest city in America?
New York City and it's immediate surrounding area controls the state, controls Albany (the capital) and controls the presidential electoral vote from New York State. I don't expect you to understand but the people of upstate New York are the ones who took it in the rear, courtesy of New York City. You want to badmouth them? Well, they're not the problem. Most of us feel as if New York City is another planet and wish it would secede and form their own state.
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The dealers that won't ship to NY won't ship anything to Ca either. I know it's not the gun owners fault the laws got passed, but a lot of people don't see it that way.
In some instances it is the conservative gun owners dropping the ball. They get fed up and stay home on election day, because their perfect candidate did not get on the ballot.
Everyone has to get involved at much as they can on at least the local level of politics. That is the only way I see changes being made peacefully in my opinion.
What happened in NY state is the same thing as California and what is going on in other states. The high population areas are mostly liberal and the low areas are conservative. We get out voted here in rural Nevada by Clark County(Las Vegas) and the Reno area.
The dealers that won't ship to NY won't ship anything to Ca either. I know it's not the gun owners fault the laws got passed, but a lot of people don't see it that way.
In some instances it is the conservative gun owners dropping the ball. They get fed up and stay home on election day, because their perfect candidate did not get on the ballot.
Everyone has to get involved at much as they can on at least the local level of politics. That is the only way I see changes being made peacefully in my opinion.
what a lot of people dont realize is voting for the president really means little, the president drives policy and leads but in the end he doesnt make the laws. It is far more important to focus on state elections, local, and your federal congress members, that is where the rubber meets the road, but all to often people dont pay attention, vote straight ticket etc, and it just guarenteed much of the same year after year.
I am lucky that the county I live in is pretty much conservative. It's history is ranching and mining, they are still the top industries.
We get screwed on the state level by the big cities, same as Minn with the twin cities. Same as Mich, Ill, Ny and many other states.
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voting for the president really means little, the president drives policy and leads but in the end he doesn't make the laws.?
EPA,or "as the secretary shall determine", or which laws the DOJ will enforce or challenge, or executive orders undermining laws passed by congress. It means a LOT.
ALL elections matter State, local....ALL.
what a lot of people dont realize is voting for the president really means little, the president drives policy and leads but in the end he doesnt make the laws. It far more important to focus on state elections, local, and your federal congress members, that is where the rubber meats the road, but all to often people dont pay attention, vote straight ticket etc, and it just guarenteed much of the same year after year.
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voting for the president really means little, the president drives policy and leads but in the end he doesn't make the laws.?
EPA,or "as the secretary shall determine", or which laws the DOJ will enforce or challenge, or executive orders undermining laws passed by congress. It means a LOT.
ALL elections matter State, local....ALL.
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I dont think you understood my underlying thought. Yes every election is important but the president is far removed but creating every single law. There is executive orders and such but in the end the bulk of what we have is done my committee(congress, state assemblies, etc) If you had a strong congress that did what the people wanted the presidents power would be a minor thing to deal with. But we dont have elected reps that do anything, so we are stuck with what we have.
It is legal to purchase and receive ammo via the internet in New York State.
How do you receive ammo via the internet in any state?
Brad Steele