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Do you support background checks at gun shows?

Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,836 ✭✭
edited May 2013 in Gun Rights and Constitutional Law
I don't know why Wayne had such a problem with the question. I would have made it simple for the Senator.

Should have replied NRA supports background checks for all sales going through a licensed dealer. Private sales are regulated by the states. We support the States that want to allow private sales and we also support the States that want to regulate them.

I'd take your question up with the State legislatures Senator. We don't believe Federal laws that violate the constitution should be the end all game plan if the states want to take over that area of regulation.

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  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site. Even as an optional use system, I think a lot of sellers in a FTF deal would make use of it.
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  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,530 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site. Even as an optional use system, I think a lot of sellers in a FTF deal would make use of it.


    Great Idea. I concur 100%
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site. Even as an optional use system, I think a lot of sellers in a FTF deal would make use of it.
    I would support it being optional across the board.[:)]
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  • Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,836 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Oakie
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site. Even as an optional use system, I think a lot of sellers in a FTF deal would make use of it.


    Great Idea. I concur 100%


    That is a Darn good idea!
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,471 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree: Background checks should be optional. If that's good enough to be President, it ought to be good enough for a gun buyer.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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  • themountainmanthemountainman Member Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FFL DEALERS might look at as another oppoprtunity to cash in on another infringment.[;)]
    There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those who can do math and those who can't. :?
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  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 21,996 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I rather have access to do background checks on guns I'm buying. Like if it's been reported stolen before I plunk down the cash.

    I say if you go to the store or shows sure do the back ground check. Parking lot of the store or show nope. In my home? Hells no (if I lived in a free state).
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am fine with individuals conducting private business privately without oversight from the government.
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  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It won't change anything that doesn't happen now,......none of the laws ever have.

    When the majority of gun owners realize this is not about children, the sooner they will come to the conclusion it is a step towards confiscation.

    The Lib gun grabbers have a LOT of patience,.....you have to give them that.

    Also their 'wimmens' is fugly.[xx(][:)]
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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Face to face (non dealers) transfers are none of the government's business.

    NICS is a system that used to require a username and password on terminals in secured police and dispatch buildings, back in the day.
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  • woodhogwoodhog Member Posts: 13,115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm for the opposite. Every background check should have a gunshow!
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  • rongrong Member Posts: 8,459
    edited November -1
    No, but I support, in depth background checks for Senators.
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    Background checks for gun purchases should be as thorough as the MSM's investigation into O'bama the Irishman in 2007.
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  • mike_02mike_02 Member Posts: 259 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How about a backround check prior to being permitted to purchase or posssess your belief's holy book?

    Or a backround check prior to being permitted to purchase or possess a newspaper or another publication?

    Violation of rights is a violation of rights, right?
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site.You'd have to be willing to accept the downside.

    It's guaranteed such a system would be misused/abused by people who weren't involved in any sort of gun transactions.
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site.You'd have to be willing to accept the downside.

    It's guaranteed such a system would be misused/abused by people who weren't involved in any sort of gun transactions.
    For what purpose?
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  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes but only FFL's just like it would be if we Bought from their store. Private Individuals NO.
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I support not selling felons guns AND finding out before a purchase if a gun is stolen.

    How "We The People" can do that without giving up our rights of privacy and letting the feds into our lives even more is the 800 pound gorilla stomping through in the cake mix.
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    I support not selling felons guns AND finding out before a purchase if a gun is stolen.

    How "We The People" can do that without giving up our rights of privacy and letting the feds into our lives even more is the 800 pound gorilla stomping through in the cake mix.
    The answer stares us in the face: keep those with a history of being dangerous locked up or make them dead.
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  • GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932 ✭
    edited November -1
    I support a gun in every home.
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site.You'd have to be willing to accept the downside.

    It's guaranteed such a system would be misused/abused by people who weren't involved in any sort of gun transactions.
    For what purpose?
    For ANY reason they wish.

    Journalists, creditors, pissed off ex's, that nosey neighbor behind you, etc. would probably account for more inquiries than gun transcations. [:D]

    BTW:

    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    The answer stares us in the face: keep those with a history of being dangerous locked up or make them dead.No argument with that at all. [^]

    10% of the population is responsible for 90% of our crime.
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site.You'd have to be willing to accept the downside.

    It's guaranteed such a system would be misused/abused by people who weren't involved in any sort of gun transactions.
    For what purpose?
    For ANY reason they wish.

    Journalists, creditors, pissed off ex's, that nosey neighbor behind you, etc. would probably account for more inquiries than gun transcations. [:D]
    All the more reason to implement that then!
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  • chollagardenschollagardens Member Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NICS

    Stops felons ect from buying firearms = good
    Keeps records of law abiding citizens/firearms = bad

    FTF/Private party, way for felons to buy firearms = bad
    Keeps transactions of law abiding citizens private = good

    NICS without record keeping is that possible?
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by chollagardens
    NICS

    Stops felons ect from buying firearms = good


    Can you give me directions to the fantasy world you live in? I google mapped it, but it couldn't find the address.
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK, let's make it more interesting: Tulsa show a non-ffl seller is offering me a Walther, not C&R. He is not from Oklahoma, nor am I. I did not buy it.

    Gunshow loophole?

    OK to buy?
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  • rkba4everrkba4ever Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Of course I support background checks at gun shows - we need to make sure everybody who goes to one is REALLY a second amendment supporter [:o)]
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  • chollagardenschollagardens Member Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mr. Perfect posted;


    quote:
    Originally posted by chollagardens

    NICS

    Stops felons ect from buying firearms = good



    Can you give me directions to the fantasy world you live in? I google mapped it, but it couldn't find the address.


    There are very few absolutes. It is a tool, it is effective to a certain point. If a idea dosn't work it will die. If it does then it will take on a life of it's own. Sorry my idea didn't apeal to you.

    I'm open to hear a way to solve both anti gun tyranny and people killing little kids etal.
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  • kabarkabar Member Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did anyone see where that one senator is purposing background checks when buying ammo? He is nuts.[:(!][:(!]
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  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kabar
    Did anyone see where that one senator is purposing background checks when buying ammo? He is nuts.[:(!][:(!]


    He is not nuts.

    He is NEGOTIATING.

    And Wayne doesn't have the brain power to effectively advocate a cogent argument.

    And his "Q" has to be negative.
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  • c133c133 Member Posts: 608 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I support background checks for Presidential candidates retroactive back to 2008!!!!!!!!
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  • COBmmcmssCOBmmcmss Member Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site. Even as an optional use system, I think a lot of sellers in a FTF deal would make use of it.


    I agree. I posted that as a "No Buy List" similar to a "No Fly List" used by the TSA. Anonymous and all you need is a state ID or SSN. All it would say is Yea or Nay.

    Simple enough.

    COB
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  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Contrary to most here I would support background checks on all sales provided no records kept on the gun and that the individual has the option of doing the check himself for a nominal fee. We can currently do that in Illinois for private sales at gun shows. Seems to me to be a good option.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, we can't open access to NICS to everyone; federal law specifically limits it's use to: dealer transfers, pawn redemptions, & assisting ATF.

    BUT, there's no reason that the data base accessed by NICS can't be made available to the public on the Internet for any use. Same thing for the stolen gun data base. (No, I know what you are thinking, I did NOT go to Harvard Law School.)

    Neal
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  • footlongfootlong Member Posts: 8,009
    edited November -1
    GUYS---You need to get this right once and for all time.

    THE GOVT HAS NO RIGHT TO GET IN MY GUN BUSINESS--OR YOURS
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  • RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060 ✭
    edited November -1
    No. I do not agree with any infringement on the Second Amendment.
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    I am fine with individuals conducting private business privately without oversight from the government.

    Amen brother.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    OK, let's make it more interesting: Tulsa show a non-ffl seller is offering me a Walther, not C&R. He is not from Oklahoma, nor am I. I did not buy it.

    Gunshow loophole?

    OK to buy?

    That's already an illegal sale. Making it double illegal won't change anything.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Felons and criminally insane should not be allowed guns...

    How do background checks anywhere prevent those folk from getting guns from decent people?
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  • NOAHNOAH Member Posts: 9,690
    edited November -1
    i hope the only reason you did not buy it was, it was priced to high[;)]quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    OK, let's make it more interesting: Tulsa show a non-ffl seller is offering me a Walther, not C&R. He is not from Oklahoma, nor am I. I did not buy it.

    Gunshow loophole?

    OK to buy?
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  • Buck EBuck E Member Posts: 56 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Contrary to most here I would support background checks on all sales provided no records kept on the gun and that the individual has the option of doing the check himself for a nominal fee. We can currently do that in Illinois for private sales at gun shows. Seems to me to be a good option.
    Slumlord I think you may be on shakey ground suggesting anything that originates from Ilinois. Your states record on violent crime speaks for itself!
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