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guardian505
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sense. I actually heard one group trying to make the argument that their rights were being taken away because they heard of a possible restriction on 90 round magazines. these are the same idiots who are upset because they cannot legally convert their AK-47 deer rifles into full automatic. An obvious violation of their second Amendment right.
The last time I needed a hand gun for my protection or any gun for that matter, I was in Vietnam. After using it effectively for that reason, I decided that I never wanted to do that again. I am certain that most people carrying a ccw have never had to use their weapons. I don't own anything worth taking a life over. I honestly I don't know a single soul, in America, who saved his life with a gun.
I have absolutely no fear of "Them" taking my shotgun or restricting my hunting rights because there his simply too much money in the sport. wake up and use some common sense !!! then I will join the cause.
The last time I needed a hand gun for my protection or any gun for that matter, I was in Vietnam. After using it effectively for that reason, I decided that I never wanted to do that again. I am certain that most people carrying a ccw have never had to use their weapons. I don't own anything worth taking a life over. I honestly I don't know a single soul, in America, who saved his life with a gun.
I have absolutely no fear of "Them" taking my shotgun or restricting my hunting rights because there his simply too much money in the sport. wake up and use some common sense !!! then I will join the cause.
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If you don't have a problem with goverment taking away guns from citizens then you don't study history much, do you?
I have a 2nd amendment right, I will keep it (thank you). And you have a 1 st amendment right to say what you say. Without the 2 nd there wouldn't be the 1 st.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
to render the antimating force out of me. But, I
gotem first. Sorry, no. Also have a carry permit,
would I do it again, you betcha. Join the cause,
don't know if we really need you. I get "get the
fear of them" every damn time I read something from
People like you. Okay, take your itty bitty pain in
the * opinion out on me, but at least smile while
your doing it.
JBB
I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them.
BTW I served two tours in that cess pool.
PC=BS
Edited by - badboybob on 04/30/2002 18:26:12
Who the hell uses an AK-47 as a deer rifle numb nuts??? I don't care when you needed a handgun for your protection, its not about you it's about the Constitution. Many thousands of citizens use many types of firearms daily to protect themselves FYI. As to "them" taking your shotgun or restricting your hunting rights--- it's not about that either numb nuts its about the CONSTITUTION. Read it sometime you may find it interesting.
Lt the disgusted
"We become what we habitually do. If we act rightly, we become upright men. If we habitually act wrongly, or weakly, we become weak and corrupt" - *ARISTOTLE*
**Like Grandad used to say--"It'll feel better when it quits hurtin"
I hear they come out then...
Stand And Be Counted
I want to post my appreciation for helping me win my bet. A special thank you to 7mm nut and It 496, without your posts I would have lost $200. My hunting buddies are all 2nd Amendment advocates and arguing with them is a waste of time so I spend my time taking their money. Your responds was so predictable, I almost feel guilty. My only surprise was that so many people read my post and so few responded. maybe the rest just figured responding to me was a waste of their time.
I can't say I agree with your little sayings at the bottom of your posts. For example "Without a 2nd Amendment there would be no first" kind of reminds me of another "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit". I didn't agree with that one either.
I have lived in California for most of my 56 years and I have never had the need to point a gun at any fellow citizen.
guardian 505
Like in the NFL, defense is the key.
It is the same predictable nonsense that we see from the antis all of the time, yet he sits there patting himself on the back, as if he said something brilliant.
Happiness is a warm gun
You dont have a "Right" to hunt, its not written that way. You have a right to bear arms as part of the militia, which is all able bodied males between 18 and 46, not the Nat Guard.
my 2 cents
The arms that are refered to are arms that are viable to a basic infantry loadout. Thus the ONLY arms that are really covered are those that have use in a infantry squad. Your ducky gun aint covered, IMHO
I am not impressed by anyone who gets his courage from a bulge in his armpit or tucked into his waistband.
Tell me this, if there are guns on the ban list that are supposed to be super deadly, why do the gang bangers still have them? Why are you so scared of somebody owning a full auto? Why are you so scared of us owning the guns we want to own? Why do you drag honest people down to the level of gangbangers?
If you would love to see the 2nd changed so we cannot have guns, then I feel we should also give up the rest of the rights, you don't need them. I think we should also outlaw private car ownership, why do you need that car? How many people die needlesly in cars every year? cars kill far more people than guns ever will. Big brother can take you to work, he has buses, he can run the cab companies, he has subways and trains, why do we need cars? Ohh wait a minute! You want the freedom of choice! You want that 150MPH Caddy when all you need is a VW Beetle! Why, the max speed limit in the country is 75 MPH, you don't need a car that will do 150! Ok, what if Uncle Sam says "let's regulate ALL cars and trucks so that they will not speed", How 'bout it? Would you put up with having your car governed at the max speed limit? No you wouldnt. Now you say I sound stupid,"why this nut says we don't need cars"! I sound as stupid as you saying we don't need certain kinds of guns. Remember, cars kill FAR more people than guns ever will, kids die everyday at an alarming rate in cars, ban them we don't need them. Ride the bus to work. You want to place your life in the hands of another, just incase that chance in a million that you will be attacked you are willing to wait on the police to help you but you won't trust Uncle Sam to take you to work and Disney World. You my freind are pathetic.
This would be a little easier to follow if you stayed on track. Your example doesn't make much sense. One is a privilege and the other is a right. The problem really lies with the lack of responsibility, it is required with both but sadly lacking. The only time I have seen an automatic weapon used since Nam was a few years ago when a couple of avid gun owner's in full body armor tried to rob a bank in Los Angeles. They managed to shoot up the town and a whole lot of cars exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. Scared the police something awful because they were outgunned. That cost the citizens of LA $6,000,000 just so they would never be outgunned again. The rest of the police around the country followed suit. Imagine how much that cost the country.
The reason gang bangers have so many weapons is because they break into your home when you are not there. Your guns are not hard to find because they are always near your bed. The only place where they would do you any good. If they were responsibility locked up, they would not be available when the gang bangers came and you were home. Unfortunately what happened in Southern California a couple of days ago is or likely. An eight year old little boy found his father's 9 mm and while playing with it, shot and killed his play mate. Maybe you should change your banner to read "Guns don't kill people, 8 year old little boys kill people".
I have no idea who "Rosy and the gang" are but as usual you have mistaken my moderate stand on the 2nd Amendment as anti gun rights. I believe in gun ownership done responsibly I am just not a fanatic about it.
You might want to consider how calling people "names" reflects on you. It reminds me of the guy who got tired of arguing and beat up the person he was arguing with. Turn to his friend and said "See, I was right. Look how I kicked his *". I can disagree with your ideas without attacking you personally. too bad the reverse can't be said.
Is it a full moon?
I hear they come out then...
10-4 ON THE FULL MOON (teehouse)
Stand And Be Counted
We are all a product of our experiences. From personal experience it is my belief that if you use your hand gun ten times, 9 will result in heartache or prison time. A close friend in the service had prepared his wife to protect herself. We came home a day early from an exercise and arrived late one night. She shot her husband dead that night thinking be was an intruder. In San Diego the police narcotics undercover squad raided a home of a suspected dealer. They looked like a motorcycle gang and the home owner shot and killed the first man thinking he was an intruder. It was discovered that the police had the wrong address. The D.A. decided to prosecute and got a conviction. The home owner spent over 20 years in prison for protecting himself. Sad but true. If you were in southern California daring those riots, you should recall that some of those Koreans were put on trial. I don't remember the outcome but even if they weren't convicted, a defense attorney is pretty expensive. You have the right to carry a gun, just be prepared for the consequences. another possibility is what happened last night. He 2 year old little boy was hit and killed by a stray bullet. Somebody missed with their hand gun, a distinct possibility for anyone.
Maybe you get a better shake in another state but in California the police support the 2nd Amendment, but they don't support your right to exercise it. Be prepared to put your life in the hands of a California jury. And good luck! ?
guardian
PS maybe you will tell me who "Rosy and the gang" are, I really don't know.
This has nothing to do with hunting. It is all about what our Constitution guarantees us citizens ! It doesn't say anything about hunting.
NRA Life MemberHill Country ShooterBobbyLIVE TO SHOOT & SHOOT TO LIVE.
I wonder if the framers would have written the amendment differently if they could have imagined assault rifles that could fire 500+ rounds a minute and children getting their hands on them?
magnumcreekranch I read on him another post where you stated "The second Amendment protects all the others". I would really appreciate one instance where that took place.
guardian505
"Better to be thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
guardian505
WRONG. The English bill of rights of 1689 has a "right to bear arms" provision.
"Better to be thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
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Happiness is a warm gun
Guardian I asked you a question and you never answered so I will ask again.
Since you feel that a right guarenteed by the constitution should be limited do you agree that a PRIVELEDGE that you enjoy should be restricted under the same manner in which you want the right restricted. 10 times the people die each year in automobile accidents than by guns. Do you agree in order to save lives we should restrict car use to law enforcement only and public services? Do you think that by relying on public transportation will save lives? I think so. How about this, make the qualifactions so drastic that only a small percentage of the people can have cars then only the elite and the previously mentioned few will have them? It would save many lives. How about the cars we have be restricted only to VW beetles and governors placed on them so they cannot exceed say, 75mph? it would save lives. You enjoy the car you have that will run in excess of 100 mph, it's illegal in this country to drive that fast, why do you need it? same applies to us and our choice of guns, the answer you give for that fast car is the same answer I give for my Bushy, it's MY CHOICE! Not yours.
My idea will save more lives than your idea will, problem is I have the constitution to protect me from your idea, what do you have to protect you from my idea?Nothing.
Helping keep America free: One gun at a time.
remember MR.Macgoo?? he was so nearsighten that all he could see around him was happy,,safe,,meanwhile all around him all heck was breaking loose,,,
gardian,, take that 200 bucks and get some glasses,,look at the whole picture,,if you don't like firearms,, so what,,, you have absolutely no place on God's green Earth to tell me that I cannot own guns,,none,,zip zilch,,,
Left wing commie, liberial, know it alls like you make me ILL,,
"No dear, this isn't a new gun,,I've had this one for quite a long time,,honest,,"
You my friend are not in tune to the Polish ghettos of pre-WWII or
Pol Pot in Cambodia. How about Sudan? And yes it could be America if guys like you have your way. I like AK's, AR's, M1-A's and yes if I didn't think it would ear mark me and I could lose them at the stroke of a politician getting his palm greased, I'd have at least one of them in full auto. Since I don't trust big brother that much I'll stick with the semi-auto version thereby saving my $200.00 fed stamp fee and the additional $3,500 for the firearm. Rest well tonight in your castle above the clouds. The rest of us have to face a real world.
"Join the Baby Harp Seal Club and take a swing at life"
It looked like you were going to make some comprehensive points in your post but near the end you fell into " lock step with your brethren". my wife is still laughing because I have been called many things but a "P C Liberal" is not one of them. I am a life long Republican and most who know me think I am just a little to the right of Attila the Hun. I am a gun owner and I believe in the second amendment, I just temper that belief with reasoned and responsibility. I have read many of the posts on this bulletin board and unfortunately most have confused the right to bear arms with the right to use them.
I don't question your honesty but in my generation those of us who felt strongly about serving our country and defending the Constitution didn't just sign up for selective Service. I never signed up for selective service because when I turned 18 I had already been in the service for six months. We found that almost all draft dodgers signed up for selective Service but didn't go north until they were called to duty. I may be a little skeptical but in all honesty most who signed up for selective Service and were called to duty, served with distinction. Still there is a difference between those who would and those who did.
7mm nut
you have made my point. Your paranoia is blatantly obvious. Most of what you imagine is not correct but you are right in some areas. I see no reason for you to possess a nuclear weapon but restricting your 2nd Amendment right to possess that arm would be terrible. Just because I'm not a member of the "Mutual admiration society" on this web site and I don't agree with every inane statement made here does not mean I am against the 2nd Amendment. As I said in a previous post, if you don't hold to every radical idea posted here, then you are anti gun. The paranoia here is so thick that you guys cannot even make sense or a decent argument against moderation.
In all honesty I feel very sorry for many of the members here. I don't know of any place else where the people have so much fear. You are afraid to leave your home unless you are allowed to carry your hand gun. You apparently feel the need for an assault rifle for your own protection while sitting in your home.. Lord help the world when you guys turn 21 and add alcohol to this mix.
The one thing I feel the strongest about his responsibility. Many of you sound like you are not far from climbing the tower at the University they of Texas. And that will put you close to walking the "Green mile".
I have not a answered you with regards to your idea about cars because it makes no sense. I have no idea where you came by the notion I wanted gun control to save lives. just something out of your paranoia imagination. You need to calm down and relax, the whole world is not out to get you. !!
"Better to be thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
I suggest you purchase a dictionary or refrain from posting foolish statements. Below is the definintion of "bear" as copied from The American Heritager Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Bearing arms does NOT mean having them at home put away. It means "to carry from one place to another."
bear1 Pronunciation Key (b?r)
v. bore, (b?r, br) borne, (b?rn, brn) or born (b?rn) bear?ing, bears
v. tr.
To hold up; support.
To carry from one place to another; transport.
To carry in the mind; harbor: bear a grudge.
To transmit at large; relate: bearing glad tidings.
To have as a visible characteristic: bore a scar on the left arm.
To have as a quality; exhibit: "A thousand different shapes it bears" (Abraham Cowley).
To carry (oneself) in a specified way; conduct: She bore herself with dignity.
To be accountable for; assume: bearing heavy responsibilities.
To have a tolerance for; endure: couldn't bear his lying.
To call for; warrant: This case bears investigation.
To give birth to: bore six children in five years.
To produce; yield: plants bearing flowers.
To offer; render: I will bear witness to the deed.
Here is a definition of infringe, which you also seem not to be able to understand.
in?fringe Pronunciation Key (n-frnj)
v. in?fringed, in?fring?ing, in?fring?es
v. tr.
To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent.
To encroach on someone or something
You can give up your freedom all you want. Mine is staying with me until the day I die, be it today or 80 years from now.
**It is your right to posess a firearm. In case of questions, please refer to ammendment 2, United States Constitution.**
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You make comments about some of us being paranoid, the state you live in gives us reason to be paranoid. The comments about the right to use them, you give me a reason to use it and I damn sure will. Would I shoot someone over a vcr? maybe I would. When the criminals in this country have more rights than the victims it is hard to watch him walk away with property I worked for. maybe if more people started shooting criminals over vcrs the crime rates would go down. It's time we take our rights back from the theives who took them. I for one do not feel a criminal has rights, once you violate the laws you should be fair game. If you want to break into someones home and steal, you better be prepared to pay with your life, because you may just break into the wrong house. Criminals are scum, and so are the people who defend them.
PC=BS
I am responding to your post for a couple of reasons. One most of my post have been directed at you. 2 your post stayed on subject and made some interesting points.
You are going to hate this but for the most part, I agree with what you said. Whether to use a firearm is a personal choice. I don't know but I suspect you have never taken a life. My duties in Vietnam required that I take more than one. Although I lost my fear 37 years ago, I have thought a lot about what I did. Taking a human life is harder to live with then you know. It is my choice to not do that again. Certainly not over a VCR. I would sure be interested an hearing from you after you have taken one. You may find that your attitude has changed no matter how justified you were.
You are correct when you say a 410 will kill a person just as dead as an assault rifle. Hell, a knife will kill a person or even 2 (i.e. O J Simpson) but if you are attacked by 30 or 40 gang bangers nothing will mow them down like an assault weapon. I guess the argument over assault rifles should be classified in one of two categories. The first is your 2nd Amendment right to own one and convert it to full automatic. The second would be a debate over concern for stray bullets and human life. I qualified with a Thompson and you had better be willing to kill everything in front of you when you use one. Trying to place every bullet in your target is impossible. The same thing holds true for an AR, AK, or any other automatic weapon. At some point in your life you must decide which argument is more important.
guardian
"Better to be thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
PERSONALLY come and try to take it from me!The second amendment
protects not only the right to hunt,(a right I choose not to exercise),but also the right to defend myself and my family against
tyrany on any level.Be it from the government(as our nations founders
did),from individuals with criminal intentions,and every conceivable
evil in between.Theft of my property,infringes on my right to the persuit of happiness.I have used my guns before in defense of my
life and my property,and I'll do it again!
I have the right to keep a gun by my bed.No one has the right to break into my home and take it!
gaurdian505,I'm not about to let people like you,enable criminals
to take from me,rape my wife,kill my dog etc.If me and mine feel more secure with an AK-47,as opposed to a single shot shotgun,that's my right.It's MY security.If you feel more secure not having a particular
firearm,that's YOUR security.I will have to live with the consequences
of my actions,if I feel I have to use my firearms.From reading your posts,it looks like you are having a little
trouble living with consequences of your actions.
Edited by - thesoundguy1 on 06/06/2002 13:56:40
we DON'T want his help defending our rights as he obviously doesn't know the difference in liberal opinion and a right.
As for his being a Republican; so was Jumping Jim Jeffords
Nathan D. Newton